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Its in spanish, but I've translated the relevant secitions.

http://www4.ncsu.edu:8030/~twallace/Lynch.PDF

from(cached):

http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cach...pagina40.htm+Carao+hemoglobina&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Escuela Internacional de Agricultura y Ganadería (EIAG)


Nombre de la Investigación: Uso del carao (cassia grandis) en el tratamiento
de los terneros anémicos Fecha de elaboración: En el primer semestre de
1999.

Autor(es): Marvin Ivang Burgos J. Germán Daniel Guido. Esteban Rosalío
Gutiérrez. Grace Canales. José Inocente Cerda Madriz. Armando José Cerda Bonilla. Wilfredo López Hernández. Gustavo Ruiz Nicaragua.

Profesor/Asesor/Tutor: Dr. Salvador Contreras. Ing. Carlos Mairena Z.

Expuesto o publicada en: Primer Simposium Feria Ganadera, organizada por el
MAG-FOR.

Objetivo: Evaluar el efecto de tres dosis de pulpa de carao en el
tratamiento a terneros anémicos. Síntesis La anemia es una de las principales causas de muerte de terneros menores de un año, en fincas de pequeños productores. Debido a esta problemática se han experimentado diferentes dosis de extractos de pulpa de carao, como una alternativa vitamínica natural de bajo costo y de fácil obtención en la finca. Estos trabajos se realizaron en cuatro comunidades del departamento de Rivas, con un promedio de 12 terneros, divididos en tres grupos. Evaluando 3 dosis
(50.75,100 gramos de pulpa) diluidas en 200 cc. de agua, suministradas vía ral con un intervalo de 5 días en un período de 25 días. Los mejores resultados se obtuvieron con la aplicación de 75 y 100 g. de pulpa, logrando un aumento de 11-12% en hemoglobina, 10-12% de hematocritos, y de 30-40% de
glóbulos rojos.

Nombre de la investigación: Efecto de dos leguminosas de cobertura (Canavalia ensiformes y Mucuna ssp) en el cultivo de musáceas (Musa sativa).

Fecha de elaboración: 1999

Autor(es): Gonzalo Arias Mendoza Wilfredo Peña Espinoza. Jorge Ruiz
Nicaragua Lilja Toruño Zamora Erwing Fonseca Miguel Carranza Douglas Traña Leonel Barrios Juan Carlos Pérez.

Profesor/Asesor/Tutor: Ing. Margarita Espinoza Ing. Martín Jiménez Gómez

Expuesto o publicada en: Jornada Científica Institucional

Objetivo: Evaluar el efecto de las leguminosas (canavalia ensiformes y mucuna ssp) sobre el control de malezas y la fertilidad del cultivo. Síntesis Ante la necesidad de mejorar y/o recuperar suelos degradados en fincas de pequeños productores, el uso de leguminosas de cobertura es una
alternativa para mejorar las condiciones edáficas, por la cantidad de materia orgánica que aporta al suelo que ejerce para reducir la incidencia de malezas, aumentando los rendimientos y disminuyendo costos de producción. La EIAG inició en 1999 una validación de dos leguminosas de cobertura en el
cultivo de musáceas. Este trabajo se lleva a cabo en siete fincasen las comunidades de Veracruz y La Chocolata, en el municipio de Rivas, empleando 3600 metros cuadrados por finca, distribuidos entre los dos asocios de leguminosas con musáceas y un tratamiento testigo (unicultivo). Esta validación se desarrollará durante un período de tres años consecutivos
(1999-2001), por lo que se cuentan con datos preliminares. Las variables estudiadas en esta fase son cobertura de las leguminosas e incidencias de melazas, observándose un mejor comportamiento de la especie Mucuna, debido a
su mayor cobertura y rápido desarrollo en comparación con especie Canavalia que presenta desarrollo lento, menor cobertura y mayor susceptibilidad a plagas y exceso de humedad.





Translation. Shortened to include the ghist of the study:

48 cows from 4 communities: Divided into 3 groups of 16

3 doses were used: 50g, 75g, 100g of the fruit of the carao

They were diluted into 200cc(0.2L or 200ml) of water.

Administered Orally.

Administered every 5 days for a total of 25 days. In other words 5 times.

Best results were obtained with the 75g and 100g doses which achieved an increase
of 11-12% in hemoglobin,10-12% in hematocrit, amd 30-40% in Red blood cells.

In the animal model, seems like carao is a rather potent RBC stimulator.

The actual investigating body that has done most of the research towards carao is the EIAG. La Escuela de Agricultura y Ganadería(In Spanish)




Pagina Principal Ediciones Anteriores

from:

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La ciencia al servicio de los
productores en Rivas

Importante aporte en medicina bovina A partir de 1998 comenzamos a trabajar la temática llamada Medicina
Alternativa en Bovinos, muy amplia y de ella se derivan temas específicos. Por ejemplo, comenzamos a tratar la anemia en los terneros, provocada porque el productor está acostumbrado a sacarle hasta la última gota de leche a las vacas.

Técnicamente está demostrado que para que un ternero crezca y desarrolle normal y vigoroso hay que garantizar dejarle a diario una teta de la madre; no hacerlo va en menoscabo de la salud del animal, sufre anemia y los productores lo controlan comprando un producto químico que se llama Nematopán B12.



This part is rather interesting. Normal anemia is treated with B12.However, Carao is a lot cheaper to produce and has similar
Properties(In the opinion of the students)

Ante ese problema, los estudiantes de la EIAG hicieron su primer estudio que consistía en hacer una transfusión de sangre de la vaca al ternero, sin embargo, resultó ser costosa para el productor que no cuenta con capacidad técnica para desarrollarlo.

Pero como la investigación es una actividad que agiliza y potencia la mente, como dicen los académicos, los estudiantes recuerdan que cuando ellos fueron niños sus padres acudieron al carao, una fruta silvestre usada por nuestros antepasados.

Se hizo la primera prueba en la Escuela. Según el ingeniero Jiménez, los estudiantes y profesores tomaron 25 terneros con problemas de nutrición, les dieron de tomar el carao, gastaron el 50% menos del costo de una vitamina comercial y los resultados fueron óptimos.




Translation:

They took 25 young cows with anemia, and achieved optimal results with the carao even though they only wasted 50% of the money that they usually would have had to spend in
other drugs.


Trabajo del carao mereció segundo lugar en simposio
Días después, el estudio fue llevado a la finca privada El Rosario y los resultados fueron los mismos. Este trabajo coincidió con la realización del Primer Simposio Feria Ganadera de Nicaragua, foro en el cual participó la EIAG de Rivas, logrando —con esta experiencia— ganar el segundo lugar, a tal punto que muchos ganaderos de los presentes y procedentes de diferentes
regiones del país, pidieron la aplicación del trabajo en sus fincas.

Translation:

There was actually a symposium on Carao in Nicaragua. The EIAG de Rivas participated, and actually won second place. Many farmers decided to try the carao regimen on their anemic cows.



From:

http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cach...departamentos2.html+Carao+EIAG&hl=en&ie=UTF-8



Demuestra investigación de la Escuela de Agricultura

Carao cura anemia en terneros
—FLOR DE MARIA PALMA—
RIVAS



Los resultados de una investigación que desde hace tres años vienen realizando los estudiantes de la Escuela Internacional de Agricultura y Ganadería de Rivas confirman una vez más que el Carao cura la anemia en los terneros. Por lo tanto, los avances obtenidos con esta experiencia investigativa serán dados a conocer en la III Expo-ciencia del Consejo Nacional de Unversidades (CNU) a finales del presente mes.
Una dósis de 150 gramos de pulpa de carao disueltos en 200 cc de agua y aplicado cada ocho días durante tres semanas, aumenta hasta en 130 por ciento el hematocrito en los terneros que tienen anemia. Esa es la premisa de la investigación, que ubica a este producto como una medicina alternativa
para la cura de la anemia en bovinos.

Translation:

150g of the pulp of the carao fruit dissolved in 200 cc water(200ml) every 8 days
for 3 weeks, has the capability of increasing by 130% the Hematocrit of young cows who are anemic.



"Desde el inicio de la investigación hace tres años, el carao ha mostrado ser una medicina alternativa eficaz para controlar la anemia en los terneros y durante todo ese tiempo lo que nosotros buscábamos era la dósis adecuada para el control de la enfermedad" explicó Carlos Mairena, docente de la EIAG
y uno de los pioneros en trabajar este tema.

"En los primeros años de la investigación trabajamos de manera empírica con dósis pequeñas de pulpa de carao mezcladas con leche de vaca y aunque obteníamos resultados satisfactorios, buscábamos experimentar con otras dósis. En ese mismo tiempo eliminamos la leche como vehículo de aplicación, por el agua, puesto que consideramos la reducción de los costos de
elaboración de esta medicina" agregó.

Mairena continuó, "ahora ya descubrimos que una dósis de 150 gramos de carao disueltos en agua aumentan la cantidad de hematocrito, de tal manera, entramos en la fase final de este proceso que consiste en la difusión y capacitación sobre los resultados de la investigación a los pequeños productores de la zona.


From:

http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cach...departamentos9.html+Carao+EIAG&hl=en&ie=UTF-8


Investigan potencial del Carao
* Escuelas de Agricultura de Rivas y Honduras enfrascadas en proyecto
científico


—FLOR DE MARIA PALMA—
RIVAS.



Dos investigaciones sobre medicina alternativa en bovinos realizadas por la Escuela Internacional de Agricultura y Ganadería de Rivas hace algunos años, están siendo validadas actualmente por dos estudiantes de la Escuela Nacional de Agricultura (ENA) de Honduras, como parte del convenio que existe entre ambos centros de estudios de la región centroamericana. Martín Jiménez, responsable del departamento de investigación de la EIAG, dijo que en 1,999 los alumnos de esta Escuela comenzaron a trabajar la medicina alternativa en las vacas utilizando productos naturales que los pequeños productores tienen en sus fincas y que los pueden aprovechar fácilmente.

«Comenzamos a trabajar con nuestros estudiantes la investigación del carao como una medicina fácil y barata para curar la anemia en los terneros, así como el uso de dos especies de plantas para controlar la garrapata. De los dos estudios obtuvimos resultados bastantes favorables» indicó Jiménez.

Luis Fernando Bejarano, uno de los estudiantes hondureños que trabaja en el tema del carao, manifestó que los resultados de esta validación serán de mucha relevancia para los ganaderos de su zona, ya que con este tipo de
tratamientos se reducen los costos y se aprovechan los recursos natos. Agregó que está utilizando métodos estadísticos bien definidos a fin que los resultados tengan mayor credibilidad y aplicabilidad para los pequeños productores de Honduras y la región.

Para validar su investigación, Bejarano estudió inicialmente a 25 animales afectados con anemia, los que presentaban características físicas similares y criadas en dos fincas rivenses ubicadas a doce kilómetros al suroeste del casco urbano. De esta selección, el estudiante hondureño escogió una muestra
de 15 animales entre cero y un año de edad, los que bajo un diseño experimental se reunieron en tres grupos, que recibieron diferentes dosis de carao durante un mes.

Bejarano también está comparando los resultados del carao con un tratamiento testigo: el Hematopán B 12, químico que tradicionalmente se utiliza para curar a los terneros anémicos, lo cual permitirá posteriormente identificar la diferencia en cuanto al nivel de hematócritos logrado entre ambos productos.

Apparently, they are in the process of running concurrent studies of carao andA B-12 variant which is used to cure anemia in young cows. The information is not accessible from the outside, but they might have an independent Intranet(probable).

So, summing everything up.

Remember, this is in YOUNG cows(Do not know the weight. Any farmers here?)

Anyways, best results achieved with:

Trial 1: 75g and 100g Carao every 5 days for 25 days. Dissolved in 200ml water.

Trial 2: 150g every 8 days for 3 weeks. Dissolved in 200ml water.

T1: (375g-500g/weight of the cow)/25 = Amount of carao per day.
T2: (Approx. 400g/weight of the cow)/21 = Amount of carao per day.

Say, young cow(Age 0….1) weighs 200Kg(I’m guessing here)

T= (500/200/25 )= 1.0g/day

So, 1.0g/day of carao.

But, its diluted into 200ml of water, so that’s 1.0L or 1000ml of added water(Remember 5 times dosed in 25 days. 200ml * 5 = 1000ml).

1000/25 days = 40ml.

So, you’d have to drink approx. 40ml of the carao/water mixture every day.

Hope that helps SG.

Fonz
 
No problem.

Not much information because Nicaragua is a developing country w/o much money given towards research.

I could talk to the head of the Nicaragua delegation here at the World Bank in DC(I talked with his assistant. He was out at
a luncheon). I'm sure he could give you hand. He can probably go through channels a lot quicker than I can.

Still, there's a LOT of anecdotal research on Carao. Seems its been used in central america as a tonic for anemia and fatigue for
decades. It was passed on from generation to generation.

IMO, it looks good.

Also IMO, it seems like a more potent form of B-12(If one were to use an analogy)

Seems promising.

Fonz
 
MOoooooo.

Between Fina and Carao, pretty soon we'll all be walking around with a big cow bell hanging from our neck.
 
Fonz

To help you answer the question in your original post.. it would help me to know weather or not they were new borns, yearlings (one year olds), etc.

But I will give you both:

new borns= between 75lbs and 100lbs (give or take on enviroment that it was born in...the available nutrients that the mother was able to take in.)

yearlings (one year olds)= 150lbs to 200lbs (this again depends on the enviroment that they are grazing in as to how much weight they gain.

after that= they can gain as much as 10-15lbs per month.

I hope that this helps.

Raised on a ranch in Texas for most of my life.

barnes3
 
Re: Fonz

barnes3 said:
To help you answer the question in your original post.. it would help me to know weather or not they were new borns, yearlings (one year olds), etc.

But I will give you both:

new borns= between 75lbs and 100lbs (give or take on enviroment that it was born in...the available nutrients that the mother was able to take in.)

yearlings (one year olds)= 150lbs to 200lbs (this again depends on the enviroment that they are grazing in as to how much weight they gain.

after that= they can gain as much as 10-15lbs per month.

I hope that this helps.

Raised on a ranch in Texas for most of my life.

barnes3

Thanks. Much appreciated.

I used 200Kg(440lbs), so re-arranging, the carao dosage becomes:

440/200 = 2.2*1.0g = 2.2g Carao/day or 88ml of the mixture.

Fonz
 
Good Post

whoever is giving carao a try please post your progress, as I am very interested in the results, also does the carao guy give free samples? i saw it on his website but would I have to email him to ask? Thanks
 
Re: Good Post

SithE19 said:
whoever is giving carao a try please post your progress, as I am very interested in the results, also does the carao guy give free samples? i saw it on his website but would I have to email him to ask? Thanks

He does... but the samples he sends are more so someone can taste it... I think.
 
me_dimitri said:
Just ordered some....

Thanks for the translation / analysis Fonz...

Good Find SofaGeorge!

Dimitri T.O.


Have to wait till I get some money, but I look forward to those that are doing it to post their results for everyone. Thanks
 
I must have A-D-D.!!! Can I have a short version in english as to what this can do for bodybuilders?
 
I ordered some to 2 days ago. I'll definitly let you know what's up . I think this will be a great additive to not lose strength nor size on a cutting cycle, whether the cycle is AS or Natural. Does anyone concur with those thoughts or am I misinterpreting it.
 
EngiCream said:
hehehe....the carao guy must be loving life right now with all the orders flooding in. :D

I think he is in shock.

He made the carao as an anemia cure... with much research on creating a quality product. He never anticipated the sudden weightlifter interest... and now he is getting a bunch of feedback from early users telling him carao is a tremendous strength/endurance booster.

He told me he's a bit bowled over by all the inquiries, especially since he doesn't know much about bodybuilding and powerlifting. (I sent him the link to Fonz's research.)

If you've read much about his organic farming life in the boondocks of Costa Rica... I think I can honestly say we are the big surprise and excitement of his year. :D
 
fonz...kg confusion???

i posted on the dosage because your post on kg/lbs conversion confused me. 200kg is 90lbs not 400. so we'll have to rework the post to reflect the slight error.

can someone that has a bottle and a scale measure how many teaspoons are in a gram of the carao?

thanks
 
1 more ?

i noticed in the translation that the young cows were given the pulp diluted w/ water. but this is a pulpless extract that we're getting in the bottles. could it be stronger??

by my calculations, 150g every 8 days is 18.75g of pulp per day. i would think that the extract would be stronger than the raw pulp. therfore, i do not see the reference to 1 or 2 or so grams of carao per day. how do we know how much 1 gram of raw pulp produces how much extract?

i have never claimed to be a math wiz nor is this an arguement w/ fonz. i am only questioning because i want to fuuly understand and get the best dosage for my money.

plus there could be some misunderstanding in my interpretation of the translation. anyone w/ feedback?

my bottles are on the way, so until futher notice i'll plan on 2 teaspoons per day. how many grams is that, i don't know.?.
 
Re: 1 more ?

firephysic said:
but this is a pulpless extract that we're getting in the bottles. could it be stronger??

I know the extract is MUCH stronger... but I don't know what the ratio is. I'll email the carao guy and see if he can shed some light on the level of concentration.
 
Re: fonz...kg confusion???

firephysic said:
i posted on the dosage because your post on kg/lbs conversion confused me. 200kg is 90lbs not 400. so we'll have to rework the post to reflect the slight error.

can someone that has a bottle and a scale measure how many teaspoons are in a gram of the carao?

thanks

1lb = 0.454Kg = 454g

You converted it backwards.

200Kg = 200/0.454 = 200 * 2.2 = 440lbs

Fonz
 
Re: 1 more ?

firephysic said:
i noticed in the translation that the young cows were given the pulp diluted w/ water. but this is a pulpless extract that we're getting in the bottles. could it be stronger??

by my calculations, 150g every 8 days is 18.75g of pulp per day. i would think that the extract would be stronger than the raw pulp. therfore, i do not see the reference to 1 or 2 or so grams of carao per day. how do we know how much 1 gram of raw pulp produces how much extract?

i have never claimed to be a math wiz nor is this an arguement w/ fonz. i am only questioning because i want to fuuly understand and get the best dosage for my money.

plus there could be some misunderstanding in my interpretation of the translation. anyone w/ feedback?

my bottles are on the way, so until futher notice i'll plan on 2 teaspoons per day. how many grams is that, i don't know.?.

LOL

Feel free to get somebody else to translate.

See the flag to the left....thats Spain.

I am from Spain.

Spanish is my mother tongue.

Fonz
 
SofaGeorge said:


I think he is in shock.

He made the carao as an anemia cure... with much research on creating a quality product. He never anticipated the sudden weightlifter interest... and now he is getting a bunch of feedback from early users telling him carao is a tremendous strength/endurance booster.

He told me he's a bit bowled over by all the inquiries, especially since he doesn't know much about bodybuilding and powerlifting. (I sent him the link to Fonz's research.)

If you've read much about his organic farming life in the boondocks of Costa Rica... I think I can honestly say we are the big surprise and excitement of his year. :D

Can you ask him waht the concentration of his carao is SG?

i.e. How many g in the whole bottle.

It'll be easier for the people testing it out to dose it properly.

Fonz
 
fonz

hey bro, i have no problem admitting that i misread your post, late last night and swapped the kg/lb conversion to lb/kg.

but it's all a mute point since this looks to be based on raw pulp in a water mixture and not the extract.

again i will state...this was not meant to be an arguement w/ fonz. i specifically said there might be a mistake in my interpretation of the translation. yes, my interpretation. i never said anything about your translation not being accurate, so don't be a dick about telling me to find another translator.

i only wanted to fully understand what i was going to be putting in my body to the best of my ability, w/ the most cost effective measures taken into consideration. (dosages)

hell, after all the hype about this post...i didn't hear of anyone else reading the the study enough to ask important questions like is the raw pulp different than the extract.

the real question in reference to the study would be to ask the the carao guy how grams of raw pulp does it take to make one large bottle of the extract.(365ml, i believe) how many grams of extract are in the bottle is a mute point if the study is based on raw pulp and there is a difference between the two.

i would also like to thank sofageorge for his effort in this matter. SG please express my gratitude to the carao guy also, considering the amount of effort he has put into this project.
 
hey

fonz or anybody that can answer. I read a profile on anadrol and it says it is used to treat anemia and also increases red blood cells.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/cat...would this have any effect on blood pressure?
 
Re: fonz

firephysic said:
hey bro, i have no problem admitting that i misread your post, late last night and swapped the kg/lb conversion to lb/kg.

but it's all a mute point since this looks to be based on raw pulp in a water mixture and not the extract.

again i will state...this was not meant to be an arguement w/ fonz. i specifically said there might be a mistake in my interpretation of the translation. yes, my interpretation. i never said anything about your translation not being accurate, so don't be a dick about telling me to find another translator.

i only wanted to fully understand what i was going to be putting in my body to the best of my ability, w/ the most cost effective measures taken into consideration. (dosages)

hell, after all the hype about this post...i didn't hear of anyone else reading the the study enough to ask important questions like is the raw pulp different than the extract.

the real question in reference to the study would be to ask the the carao guy how grams of raw pulp does it take to make one large bottle of the extract.(365ml, i believe) how many grams of extract are in the bottle is a mute point if the study is based on raw pulp and there is a difference between the two.

i would also like to thank sofageorge for his effort in this matter. SG please express my gratitude to the carao guy also, considering the amount of effort he has put into this project.

I think I owe you an apology.

Just re-read my post....sounds harsh.

I was cranky as hell last night(Actually this AM).

Fonz
 
Re: hey

me2dammit said:
fonz or anybody that can answer. I read a profile on anadrol and it says it is used to treat anemia and also increases red blood cells.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/cat...ent as Anadrol then we are in business. Fonz
 
fonz

no apology necessary. i just wanted to make a few points. i'm one of those people that do not respond very well to AS. so i need any edge that i can get. carao sounds good. i'm also not a rich person either...therefore the concern for the most bang for my buck.

my understanding is 365ml carao = 74tsp
6 tsp in tbsp=only 12tbsp per bottle
2 tbsp day = 6 days per bottle
$30/bottle x's 5 =$150.00 month
that's not too dirt cheap.

i'm glad to hear that SG was unknowingly taking less than 2 tbsp and getting good result. so until futher notice, 2 tsp/daily.

however, how many grams raw pulp per 365ml extract. then we'll know exactly the appropiate dosage.

new calculation is 365ml carao = 74tsp
2 tsp/day = 37days
that's less than $30.00/month
that's dirt cheap, even for me.

now, i hope you can see my cocern w/ the correct dosages in reference to a 200lbs calf, which by the way is close to my ideal weight.
 
I took anadrol one time and I was so water logged that I couldn't even do cardio....I felt way too heavy. Do cyclers and other atheletes actually use anadrol for endurance because of the increase in blood cells? anyone know?
 
I don't post much on here, hell, hardly at all, but I do read and have been here for quite some time (2+years). I read SofaGeorge's post on this product and immediately went to the website and ordered a large bottle. I took my first teaspoon yesterday and was going to take the second but it was sooooooooooooooo thick and extremely sweet that I couldn't take it straight from the teaspoon. I put it in a glass of water and it still was ultra sweet that I shotgunned 8oz of water in a second. Even after mixing it there was a thick layer on the spoon and I had to tongue that to get it off. I just couldn't handle a second teaspoon as it sat kinda heavy in my stomach. For over an hour I kept tasting it and it wasn't pleasant. I plan on forcing in at least 2 teaspoons a day to see if my results equal Sofas. Any of you can contact the gentleman who sells the product and speak to him, he is very prompt with emails as is his father. Just go to the site and shoot him an email.
 
woje3 said:
I took anadrol one time and I was so water logged that I couldn't even do cardio....I felt way too heavy. Do cyclers and other atheletes actually use anadrol for endurance because of the increase in blood cells? anyone know?

My nextdoor neighbor is a former pro bike racer... was on teams with both Greg Lamond and Lance Armstrong (Lance calls him "coach." He literally taught Lance how to ride pro.) I'm in the process of getting samples to Lance's team hopefully in the near future and we should get some awesome feedback from the highest level.

I'm fascinated that people are starting to make the association between carao and anadrol... because that was the first thing that crossed my mind. I felt like I was getting the strength boost of anadrol... but without getting puffy from water retention and with no estrogen sides.

I repeat my prediction - in 1-2 years every muscle mag in the world is going to be talking about carao.
 
sofageorge, how much are you taking per day right now? Also, if you had to compare the results to a certain anabolic, what would be the closest comparison? I know you said anadrol without the water and sides (which is great), is there any other roid you would compare the gains to? Do you notice lean solid gains like a winny or anavar?
 
Firephysic-I think you made an error -I believe there are 3 teaspoons in a tablespoon-this will make quite a difference!-Valerie
 
Yeah sofa george. If carao is going to work for us we better stock up. The supplement companies would corner the market and charge 79.99 for a bottle and people would pay if it works as good as it does on you on most.

If it could work 1/4 as good as anadrol we would all still be very, very happy. And if its using one of anadrols methods I see no reason why we cant expect decent results.
 
woje3 said:
sofageorge, how much are you taking per day right now? Also, if you had to compare the results to a certain anabolic, what would be the closest comparison?

I'm going to say anavar, not anadrol... simply because I am getting the strength gains without much size increase... but I am getting some size increase... particularly in my arms and calves... they just look fuller. (It's given me the best calves I've ever had.) Someone suggested the better look to my arms and calves was from the increased RBC. I think that makes since... it also explains the freaky vascularity.

The thing that anavar doesn't match is the increased endurance. I don't know a single AAS that increases strength and endurance like this in combination. I run to the gym... and home... and I'm not even winded.

I'm going to try to set my all time 2 mile run record shortly. I'll post up whether or not carao helps me break my best time.
 
valerie

hey, checked the website that i got the tsp/tbs conversion chart from last nite and sure enough it said 1 tbs = 6 tsp. BUT, since you said something i checked 2 other sites and found them to agree w/ you. so i'll go w/ 3tsp per tbs. thanks for the info. that makes this all the more price effective at this point in time as long as we establish the raw pulp vs. extract issue.
 
SofaGeorge said:


I'm going to say anavar, not anadrol... simply because I am getting the strength gains without much size increase... but I am getting some size increase... particularly in my arms and calves... they just look fuller. (It's given me the best calves I've ever had.) Someone suggested the better look to my arms and calves was from the increased RBC. I think that makes since... it also explains the freaky vascularity.

The thing that anavar doesn't match is the increased endurance. I don't know a single AAS that increases strength and endurance like this in combination. I run to the gym... and home... and I'm not even winded.

I'm going to try to set my all time 2 mile run record shortly. I'll post up whether or not carao helps me break my best time.

How long did it take before noticing results?
 
wartime100 said:


How long did it take before noticing results?

I'm guessing it was 3-4 weeks. I'm not really sure because I wasn't looking for anything to happen... and then at first I couldn't figure it out... didn't make the association right away that it was the carao causing the gains. The carao guy said most people start seeing the results in 3-4 weeks... so I guess that sounds about right... but it might be sooner.
 
That makes sense to me cause it seems like most things that have impact on the rbc take about that long to really kick in. My guess it just takes your body a little time to ramp up production. By the way I orderd two bottles...
 
I just ordered some as well. Any idea on the turnaround time. This carao guy should be hooking up sofageorge for free for sending him all this business.
 
Spent some time investigating, this is some more info:

Carao's real name is "Cassia Grandis"

Cassia grandis, Caesalpiniaceae, pink shower tree, coral shower tree. Tree from tropical America with heavy, cylindrical pods to 3 feet in length and often more than an inch in diameter. The seeds are used for lei construction in Hawaii. The pulp of the fruit has laxative properties. Member of legume family--Fabaceae.

You can buy seeds for Carao/Cassia Grandis here:
http://www.interlog.com/~rainseed/catalog.htm
It is listed as "Rainbow Shower". I'm sure you could probably find seeds for it elsewhere, but I doubt it would grow in a non-tropical climate.

Another link
http://www.pbwga.com/FoliageProduct99.asp?PBPLNTID=2165

A = The fruit of the Cassia Grandis from which the extract comes
hardpods.jpg
 
Plants used in Guatemala for the treatment of dermatophytic infections. 2. Evaluation of antifungal activity of seven American plants.
Cáceres A; López B; Juárez X; del Aguila J; García S
J Ethnopharmacol, 40: 3, 1993 Dec, 207-13
From 52 plants screened for antifungal activity, 26 (50%) were active against dermatophytes. This paper reports further evaluation of seven American plants against four pathogenic fungi (Aspergillus flavus, Epidermophyton floccosum, Microsporum gypseum and Trichophyton rubrum), the part showing most activity, the best solvent and, in three cases, the minimal inhibitory concentration (MIC) against the fungus in pure culture. Antifungal activity was confirmed in all of the plants, but not all parts; the most active parts were the bark and leaves. The most active species were Byrsonima crassifolia, Cassia grandis, Gliricidia sepium and Malpighia glabra. Diphysa robinioides, Rhizophora mangle and Cassia occidentalis were less active. The most susceptible fungi were E. floccosum and T. rubrum; A. flavus was not susceptible. Ethanol was usually the best solvent and the MIC of C. grandis, C. occidentalis and D. robinioides was 50 micrograms/ml.
 
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wartime100 said:
I just ordered some as well. Any idea on the turnaround time. This carao guy should be hooking up sofageorge for free for sending him all this business.

He does send me free stuff. I think I've gotten 5 free bottles so far. I sent one to Engicream for hooking the carao guy up with all the info on how to secure his site and get set up with PayPal.

It's hard to judge turnaround time because I don't know when he mails the bottles. It seems to be fast.. under a week.

And great research BeefyBull!
 
SofaGeorge said:
And great research BeefyBull!

Thanks SG!

So basically, from what we've heard, some of the research I found, etc., we can conclude that Carao is possibly:

- An anti-anemic (blood builder)
- Anti-fungal
- May have laxative properties (can anyone verify this?)

Sounds like a worthwhile supplement. Try as I might, I cannot find another supplier, so for now, SG's man is the only source. Hopefully with all the business he's getting now, he'll drop prices a bit, but who knows. Once another supplier emerges on the scene, good ole American rules of supply, demand, and competition will kick into effect and we may see it go even cheaper.
 
BeefyBull said:

Once another supplier emerges on the scene, good ole American rules of supply, demand, and competition will kick into effect and we may see it go even cheaper.

I'm praying that doesn't happen soon. I want to see quality stay high. Usually another competitor jumping in means a watering down of quality.
 
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