Cancer from Tren??

[Muscle Mafia]

WTF!!

Has anyone heard these rumors? I plan to use Tren E soon so I've checked out all the sides, but now I read this, and I'm like "now what?"

 

[badslinky]

Where did you read this? do you have a link to the article?

 

[Muscle Mafia]

No, i think i mislead you. I read it in a post here on EF.

 

[Muscle Mafia]

I am cool because I bump my own threads.

 

[badslinky]

Oh ok well I really dont think it has any greater chance of causing cancer than other AAS, but than again i dont know 100%. I think more or less with any AS it doesnt cause it but rather accelerates it if you have the genes for it. You should use it, creates nothing less of awesome results.

 

[The Greatest]

Oh ok well I really dont think it has any greater chance of causing cancer than other AAS, but than again i dont know 100%. I think more or less with any AS it doesnt cause it but rather accelerates it if you have the genes for it. You should use it, creates nothing less of awesome results.

Tren supresses the immune system. The immune system is the single defense against cancer so yes there is a link.

 

[badslinky]

I forgot about that. Thanks for correcting me.

 

[badslinky]

Soory for being dunb the greatest but how exactly is the immune system realted to cancer.. can you give me an example. I thought primarily that cancer was caused from errors in DNA replication and malfunctions or absence in repair systems. Can you remind me how the immune system effects cancer?

 

[wellbilt]

freom what i understand aas does not directly cause cancer but can make a cancerouse tumor grow so yes there cdould be a link although i do not think there is alot of scientific research backing this but i could be wrong

 

[got2getripped]

We all gotta go sometime. If you're that paranoid about it,then don't do it I say. because I'm sure you will worry yourself sick while your on it.

 

[tiger88]

it was from member High intensity....

..... it was skin cancer too i thnk and well guess what he lives in socal and also went to the tanning beds everyday too and guess he blammed it on the 200 mg a tren he took a day

 

[badslinky]

freom what i understand aas does not directly cause cancer but can make a cancerouse tumor grow so yes there cdould be a link although i do not think there is alot of scientific research backing this but i could be wrong

Ya thats how i understood it

 

[geoboy]

Tren supresses the immune system. The immune system is the single defense against cancer so yes there is a link.

what he said.

theres only one roid proven to CAUSE cancer & i forgot which one (a-bomb i believe). i remember it was one of the harsh ones that I would never consider taking anyway so it didnt register.

tren however will suppress the immune system. So a borderline mutation/change that would have been dealt with by the body, might now instead progress to a viable cancer.

 

[badslinky]

theres only one roid proven to CAUSE cancer & i forgot which one (a-bomb i believe).

Ahh, Now I remeber...Im pretty sure its A-Bombs and perhaps liver cancer. I remember it causes some specific liver damage (cant remember the name) which can result in cancer. Good post.

 

[jeb0177]

I've read that testosterone can cause cancer in the testicles if abused for long periods of time.

 

[geoboy]

what he said.

theres only one roid proven to CAUSE cancer & i forgot which one (a-bomb i believe). i remember it was one of the harsh ones that I would never consider taking anyway so it didnt register.

tren however will suppress the immune system. so a borderline mutation/change that would have been dealt with by the body, might now instead progress to "cancer".

Hi Intensiy (i think) was mega-Trenning and he ended up with Kaposi's Sarcoma, which also appears in AIDS patients, and is only seen in severly immune compromised patients. also, the night sweats, seen with Tren, is a symptom in many immune-compromised disease syndromes.

doing roids responsibly is sort of like driving at 75 mph. Riskier than driving at 55, but not reckless. Doing Tren is like driving at 120 mph with a buzz on. you might get there faster and have alot of fun doing it, but you might fuck yourself up too.


why take such a big chance?
-

 

[gregory]

Hi Intensiy (i think) was mega-Trenning and he ended up with Kaposi's Sarcoma, which also appears in AIDS patients, and is only seen in severly immune compromised patients. also, the night sweats, seen with Tren, is a symptom in many immune-compromised disease syndromes.

doing roids responsibly is sort of like driving at 75 mph. Riskier than driving at 55, but not reckless. Doing Tren is like driving at 120 mph with a buzz on. you might get there faster and have alot of fun doing it, but you might fuck yourself up too.


why take such a big chance?
-

HI Intensity was not on just tren. He was a heavy user of all steroids including insulin with hardly a break in between. I used to read his posts and i never knew adults can be so childish or vain in their justifications for juicing like he did. Add to that the non stop party atmosphere, and you know what comes along with that (rec drugs, alcohol) then add the obsessive tanning, stress and 6 months of tren at a high dose and you will weaken your body. In effect stroids do not cause cancer but they may make it possible for you to push yourself so hard for so long that over time the chronic fatigue that you would be feeling if you were natural just does not happen and you slowly start to tear down your body and it critical defenses. That's pretty much how it happens.


But on another note of the tren and cancer. There was a study done in the past that showed rats developing cancer when administered tren. This is a slippery slope because the tren administered was obviousley suspended in alcohol. So when you inject a small animal with a large dose of a steroid like tren you also inject it with a large dose of the suspensatory alcohol. It was later proven that the Alcohol used, when injected in the same volume, but without any tren molecules, also caused the development of cancer. So derive your own conclusions.

 

[SVT-TROY]

Man, there are some threads you just don't want to read.

 

[Judo Tom]

tren is not the safest steroid no one should argue that

it would be hard to pinpoint a direct relationship to cancer with tren but you cant just rule it out or not accept the fact that it probably increases your risk for cancer

its up to the user to decide if that risk is worth it...

i would think that the severe immune system suppression that some people get along with elevated igf levels definately have a role to play though

 

[gregory]

There is no evidence that that any steroid actually induces cancer.

 

[DJ_UFO]

I'd never use tren. That shit is toxic and scary as hell!
I remember High Intensity..wazzup with him in these days?

 

[The Greatest]

First off I think I know High Intensity pretty damn well.

Gregory I think as a member of this board it is your responsibility to not spout off incorrect assumptions about a former member without truly knowing the facts.

One doctor told high Intensity that he had what looks like KS lesions on his leg. It is possible that tren caused this because one form of KS is developed by a sever suppression of the immune system. He also got singles during his tren usage another virus that surfaces due to immune suppression. After further tests and doctors he was cleared as cancer free.
He still believes it was KS, but outside of Aids victims it is not a deadly virus/cancer if dormant.

He did not tan nor take insulin, drugs or even party during his tren abusing period. He did not even take another steroid. The fault he made was abusing homemade tren without taking any precautions in regard to his immune system. I happy to report that HItensity is still alive; he struggles with body dismorphia everyday but has learned to curtail his steroid use. Currently he is on HRT and follows an immune support anti-cancer diet.

As a steroid expert and through his research he no longer recommends tren for human use.

 

[gregory]

First off I think I know High Intensity pretty damn well.

Gregory I think as a member of this board it is your responsibility to not spout off incorrect assumptions about a former member without truly knowing the facts.

One doctor told high Intensity that he had what looks like KS lesions on his leg. It is possible that tren caused this because one form of KS is developed by a sever suppression of the immune system. He also got singles during his tren usage another virus that surfaces due to immune suppression. After further tests and doctors he was cleared as cancer free.
He still believes it was KS, but outside of Aids victims it is not a deadly virus/cancer if dormant.

He did not tan nor take insulin, drugs or even party during his tren abusing period. He did not even take another steroid. The fault he made was abusing homemade tren without taking any precautions in regard to his immune system. I happy to report that HItensity is still alive; he struggles with body dismorphia everyday but has learned to curtail his steroid use. Currently he is on HRT and follows an immune support anti-cancer diet.

As a steroid expert and through his research he no longer recommends tren for human use.

Well i sat here and read his posts about his insulin use, and how it made him "feel like a real body builder for the first time". And his posts also told many stories about his recreational drug use, maybe not abuse, but use none the less. His posts also revealed alot about his body dismorphia and frankly i fealt bad for him cause he sounded like a pretty cool guy with a lot of issues and insecurities. And Yes he DID tan, ALOT. I remeber all the posts like they were yesterday and I'll pin my long term memory against anyone on this board. But me real point was to show that it was not just tren that did him in, had he done 6 week cycles of 75 EOD he would have been fine. He was a heavy long term user, heavy and long enough to require HRT at his young ripe age.

Also i would not consider him an "Expert" by a long shot. But in the end God bless him and i hope he does well in life.

 

[DIVISION]

WTF!!

Has anyone heard these rumors? I plan to use Tren E soon so I've checked out all the sides, but now I read this, and I'm like "now what?"

You got that shit right, holmes......

"slat1" told me some sick stories of some bros who injected dirty Trenbolone and developed very sick, disgusting tumors......TREN TUMORS!!!!!!!

These fucks developed huge hunks of exposed tumor in their backs, and eventually had to have the shit cut out, left tons of scar tissue and unsightly damage. Is that shit worth brewing your own Tren? I think NOT!

If I ever use Tren, it's gonna be QV.


PM slat1 if you want to hear the Tren Tumor Story in detail........





DIV

 

[The Greatest]

Well i sat here and read his posts about his insulin use, and how it made him "feel like a real body builder for the first time". And his posts also told many stories about his recreational drug use, maybe not abuse, but use none the less. His posts also revealed alot about his body dismorphia and frankly i fealt bad for him cause he sounded like a pretty cool guy with a lot of issues and insecurities. And Yes he DID tan, ALOT. I remeber all the posts like they were yesterday and I'll pin my long term memory against anyone on this board. But me real point was to show that it was not just tren that did him in, had he done 6 week cycles of 75 EOD he would have been fine. He was a heavy long term user, heavy and long enough to require HRT at his young ripe age.

Also i would not consider him an "Expert" by a long shot. But in the end God bless him and i hope he does well in life.

Again brother I have KNOWn HI for 27 years. When he did Tren it was without tanning or any drugs. He smoked weed when he was younger but had not in three years when he tried aas. He never did any hard core drugs nor smoked. Yea he tanned for years but again not while on that three months of tren. And insulin he did for three weeks which bloated up his face and he stopped. This was 4 months after doing tren.

I cannot go into specifics of why his is an expert in aas but don't beleive eveything you assume. Smoke and mirrors brother.

 

[slat1]

I do know quite a few people that got cancerous tumors on their necks and back from a dirty batch of homebrew... some jackass was selling individual shots out of his pro shop. A bunch of guys got them. The started as welts and then grew and grew. It was fucking gross! One guy got it tested.. it was some sort of cancerous growth. He had to get it all cut out. Really nasty stuff.
Side note... I read someplace that Abombs are the only steroid directly linked to causing cancer. Tren, I read just increases your chances if you are prone to it.

 

[Jabs]

I love tren but I'm thinking of never using it again. During my last tren cycle I developed shingles (sp) and shortly after my throat muscle grew to strong and wouldn't allow me to swallow food correctly. Well the food has two options one going to my lung or making another whole in my throat. Well it made a pouch in my throat (zenkers) and the food stored there. The surgery was pretty invasive. I don't want to put myself or my family through that again. My gut feeling is that it was caused by my usage but no one knows for sure. My average tren cycle was 75 ed for 6 weeks. I did three of those in a years time. Just food for thought

jabs

 

[Muscle Mafia]

You got that shit right, holmes......

"slat1" told me some sick stories of some bros who injected dirty Trenbolone and developed very sick, disgusting tumors......TREN TUMORS!!!!!!!

These fucks developed huge hunks of exposed tumor in their backs, and eventually had to have the shit cut out, left tons of scar tissue and unsightly damage. Is that shit worth brewing your own Tren? I think NOT!

If I ever use Tren, it's gonna be QV.


PM slat1 if you want to hear the Tren Tumor Story in detail........





DIV

Holy Shit!!

I knew tren wasn't the safest route to go, but I didn't think it would be that bad! In the threads I've read about tren sides, this shit wasn't mentioned. Hair loss, night sweats...big deal. Tumors!! Now thats a different story. (re-thinking)

 

[Muscle Mafia]

I do know quite a few people that got cancerous tumors on their necks and back from a dirty batch of homebrew... some jackass was selling individual shots out of his pro shop. A bunch of guys got them. The started as welts and then grew and grew. It was fucking gross! One guy got it tested.. it was some sort of cancerous growth. He had to get it all cut out. Really nasty stuff.
Side note... I read someplace that Abombs are the only steroid directly linked to causing cancer. Tren, I read just increases your chances if you are prone to it.

Sick!

 

[DJ_UFO]

First off I think I know High Intensity pretty damn well.

Gregory I think as a member of this board it is your responsibility to not spout off incorrect assumptions about a former member without truly knowing the facts.

One doctor told high Intensity that he had what looks like KS lesions on his leg. It is possible that tren caused this because one form of KS is developed by a sever suppression of the immune system. He also got singles during his tren usage another virus that surfaces due to immune suppression. After further tests and doctors he was cleared as cancer free.
He still believes it was KS, but outside of Aids victims it is not a deadly virus/cancer if dormant.

He did not tan nor take insulin, drugs or even party during his tren abusing period. He did not even take another steroid. The fault he made was abusing homemade tren without taking any precautions in regard to his immune system. I happy to report that HItensity is still alive; he struggles with body dismorphia everyday but has learned to curtail his steroid use. Currently he is on HRT and follows an immune support anti-cancer diet.

As a steroid expert and through his research he no longer recommends tren for human use.

damn..Glad to hear he is doing well. And that body dismorphia will heal with the time?

 

[geoboy]

well after reading tru this thread, if any of you guys still think Tren is a good risk/reward proposition, let me know.

 

[psychedout]

One thing that makes me wonder about all of this, is doctors sometimes prescribe steroids to recovering cancer patients.

Goes against everything in this thread.

Maybe it is becaue they are not prescribing tren.

Just something to add the debate.

 

[ViperHMS]

I'm down!

 

[THEEGAME2544]

(Sitting by the phone waiting for a Huck, Macro, Andy etc....to dial in on this one)

 

[geoboy]

One thing that makes me wonder about all of this, is doctors sometimes prescribe steroids to recovering cancer patients.

Goes against everything in this thread.

Maybe it is becaue they are not prescribing tren.

Just something to add the debate.

the sense of the thread (and science) is that

1) only one roid has actually been shown to CAUSE cancer (a-bombs)
2) Tren is _extremely_ immunosuppressive. the immune system is the first line of defense vs viruses, infections AND CANCER. so while tren hasnt been shown to CAUSE cancer, it may weaken a persons defenses sufficient for an independently arising cancerous change to develop into a viable cancer.
3) as to prescribing for recovering cancer patients, yes for associated cachexia/catabolism. but thats deca & var. var i know is actiually beneficial for the immune system, and i believe deca is also. thats a different world from a-bombs & tren.
-

p.s. test will also feed an already existing prostate cancer condition (when a patient is given chemo/radiation for prostate cancer, they are also given test-suppressing drugs). no causal link however.

 

[DIVISION]

well after reading tru this thread, if any of you guys still think Tren is a good risk/reward proposition, let me know.

2 Words.

TREN TUMOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!






DIV

 

[Wingnut32]

Here's my 2 cents! I have been battling testicular & lymph node cancer for about 3 months now and have spoken at length with doctors at a leading cancer hospital in NYC. I told them what I was taking, dosages, frequency etc. They said that it was most likely caused by either enviromental exposure several years in the past or genetic reasons. The steroids would not cause the cancer but it would definately accelerate it. However they felt the tren might be a different story because of the harshness of the compound. Certain steroids suppress the immune system and therefore allow the cancer growth to accelerate. The overall cancer rate among atheletes & bodybuilders (highest usuage among the population) is no higher than the average population. As a matter of fact general health for atheletes is above average. What I have come away from this with is, there is not enough research for the so called "experts" to determine a link betwwen cancer and steroids.They can say that there is a link between Kidney & Liver disease and certain steroid abuse. Anyone with any cancer problems shoot me a P.M. So we may discuss our experience. Has anybody continued steroid use after beating cancer?

Peace

 

[psychedout]

(Sitting by the phone waiting for a Huck, Macro, Andy etc....to dial in on this one)

LoL. Best thing i've heard yet.

 

[nexus7]

just adding a few thoughts to this rather scary thread;

Most people seem to forget that tren used to be manufactured as a human grade steroid in the past (french parabolan). + I think there must be a "reasonably safe dosage" for tren when used in a long ester (enanth or cyclohexylmeth as opposed to acetate) - I mean most users who have experienced problems and link them to tren usage were doing like 75mg eod or even ed for 6-10 weeks...thats a hell of a dosage,no?
perhaps using it for a couple of cycles at 200mg/week would be pretty safe...

any thoughts appreciated

 

[psychedout]

I don't think anyone would tell you 100mgs EOD of tren or less poses serious risks. Unless you use it longer than 10 weeks maybe.

 

[Muscle Mafia]

My original plan wast to try it at 250 /week (enanthate). But I think I'm down with Division on this one.......TREN TUMOR!!!!!!!

 

[nexus7]

My original plan wast to try it at 250 /week (enanthate). But I think I'm down with Division on this one.......TREN TUMOR!!!!!!!

A friend of line (who is always very concerned with his health) tried it at this dosage for about 5 wks with some test - he reported no bad sides, just really good pumps/gains

 

[escher]

(Sitting by the phone waiting for a Huck, Macro, Andy etc....to dial in on this one)

How is it that so many of the well-known tren and FINA users on this board have yet to comment on this thread? I too thought that "HuckleberryFinaplix" or "BodyByFina" would be all over this topic, or at least post some comments from their experiences. I do have a personal question or two about trenbolone:

There is always something about a steroid to spook potential users, and while I am not implying that this is fictitious stuff, does anyone think it is reasonable(or wise) to run QV tren. A for 5-6 weeks @75 EOD? This in a stack with 10 weeks of EQ, mind you.

Can I expect any substantial gains taking this dose on an EOD schedule or is this not frequent enough for a first-time tren cycle? Would EOD just cause hormonal fluctuations of the drug, or lower overall gains?

These may sound like New-B questions, but trenbolone seems to be a hot topic these days, not so much trendy as it is controversial, and I was hoping a vet or two could give me some feedback. Plenty of kharma for the most generous bro...

-e

 

[nexus7]

How is it that so many of the well-known tren and FINA users on this board have yet to comment on this thread? I too thought that "HuckleberryFinaplix" or "BodyByFina" would be all over this topic, or at least post some comments from their experiences. I do have a personal question or two about trenbolone:

There is always something about a steroid to spook potential users, and while I am not implying that this is fictitious stuff, does anyone think it is reasonable(or wise) to run QV tren. A for 5-6 weeks @75 EOD? This in a stack with 10 weeks of EQ, mind you.

Can I expect any substantial gains taking this dose on an EOD schedule or is this not frequent enough for a first-time tren cycle? Would EOD just cause hormonal fluctuations of the drug, or lower overall gains?

These may sound like New-B questions, but trenbolone seems to be a hot topic these days, not so much trendy as it is controversial, and I was hoping a vet or two could give me some feedback. Plenty of kharma for the most generous bro...

-e

I think tren is basically becoming more popular as the things that used to 'scare away' potential users have started to vanish; tren now comes in newly engineered longer esters taking away the blood level fluctuations / recent injects /veterinary product / DIY related problems associated with ist use.

just my 2 cent

 

[carlsky]

tren is the best for hardening and losing bodyfat as well as getting strong as phuck!

 

[GreekGod]

doing roids responsibly is sort of like driving at 75 mph. Riskier than driving at 55, but not reckless. Doing Tren is like driving at 120 mph with a buzz on. you might get there faster and have alot of fun doing it, but you might fuck yourself up too.

why take such a big chance?
-

well said

I would never take such a risk, even if tren was the only steroid available to me. Just stick with test/deca/dbol and enjoy a healthy life.

 

[georgie24]

hiintensity comes to mind when i thick of caner and tren, run a search under his handle

 

[VictorBR]

YEAH ! TREN WILL CAUSE CANCER !

STAY AWAY FROM TREN !

I am looking at EF ....and I see thousands of guys using tren and none of them have cancer .

Please ... Do any of you believe that tren can cause cancer ?!?!? It is an HORMONE folks , just like test or winny or d-rol .

Winstroll And Anadrol can cause liver cancer ?? YES , if used for years non stop ,straight you can fuck up your liver and get cancer .

Can test cause prostate and testicular cancer ? YES , if used for years non stop .

If you drink too much WHISKY ( I like BLue Label BTW- LOL ) you can develop liver cancer ....

SOOOO - what is THE POINT ?

AAS is just like everything in life , if you ABUSE you can fuck yourself UP , we all know this ...


Victor

 

[DIVISION]

My original plan wast to try it at 250 /week (enanthate). But I think I'm down with Division on this one.......TREN TUMOR!!!!!!!

TREN TUMORSSSSSSSSSS!

TREN TUMORSSSSSSSSSS!

Before you inject, better retrospect!







DIV

 

[Mo T 4 Me]

What is the kind of tumor those people were getting from tren?

Can someone post a pic of that sort of tumor?

 

[unclebully]

ITS NOT A TUMOR!

Seriously though tren is the harshest compound ive tried, personally I rate it just as harsh as anadrol. In fact I would rather take Anadrol than tren.

 

[DIVISION]

What is the kind of tumor those people were getting from tren?

Can someone post a pic of that sort of tumor?

eh, Lil'Yarnugga....

"slat1" is the dude who had first hand accounts of the Tren Tumors.

He told me all about the shit.....and belive me, it was fucking horrid!

PM him if you want the scoop and NO, I don't have pics.




DIV

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

I think this slat1 mighta had a bad batch...

 

[gregory]

So much complete and utter bullshit and histeria on this thread i don't want to touch it with a ten foot pole.