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Can you overtrain, on roids

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This question is Possed for if you are on a cycle, or can be for if you are off too.

I was wondering if it is possible to overtrain or under reccuperate, if you are getting enough sleep and food.

If so, how much training can you do before you reach the point where more training is counterproductive.
 
If you are on a heavy cycle and eat tons of cals with enough rest I don't think you could over train with weights (no cardio). Who is that in your avatar ox?
 
My recovery is definitely getting better. If you check out my training journal, my volume is really going up recently but I never really get sore. Some of it's from the roids, and some of it is from my improved GPP/conditioning. When you're in better shape, you can recover better.
 
mvmaxx said:
Yes. And the answer to your 2nd question is "it depends on the person."
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Totally agree.

"How do you know when you're overtraining?" - Well that's something you learn to feel after years of weight training. I'll give you some symptoms.

Loss of strength
Not wanting to go to the gym
Feeling worn out all the time
...there are others, I can't think of at the moment.

But as a general rule of thumb, if you're overtraining you'll know it.
 
Well I worked out everyday for a year and a half straight, I would take a day off only when i wasnt able to get to the gym, and even then, I would feel really guilty. I never felt like NOT going to the gym, but maybe thats because I am super dedicated at everything I do.
 
You can always overtrain, but it depends on your body and exactly what your idea of training and overtraining is.

Does your training consist of 1-1.5 hours (probably not overtraining escpecially if your on). Training for 2-3 hours is overtraining escpecially if you are not eating anything in between.
 
you can definately overtrain, no matter what you;re on, or what you;re eating. the human body can only take so much stress, and the CNS can only take so much stress before signs of overtraining are showing.
 
alltraps said:
you can definately overtrain, no matter what you;re on, or what you;re eating. the human body can only take so much stress, and the CNS can only take so much stress before signs of overtraining are showing.
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Hence the importance of a very smart, well thought out routine that will allow you to train at a higher intensity and volume without overtraining...
 
well i trained twice a day this summer while on d bol and test but I was able to sleep 12 hours each day and eat all the time so i felt i didnt over train.....i think it depends are on the exercises and what you are doing. you can preform olympic lifts every day for long peroids of time....
 
slobberknocker said:



Hence the importance of a very smart, well thought out routine that will allow you to train at a higher intensity and volume without overtraining...
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i completely agree, volume has nothing to do with intensity. volume AND intensity will lead to overtraining. you can train 5 times a day, but if the intensity is that of my 80 year old grandma, you wont overtrain, even without gear
 
alltraps said:
you can definately overtrain, no matter what you;re on, or what you;re eating. the human body can only take so much stress, and the CNS can only take so much stress before signs of overtraining are showing.
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BINGO.
 
Overtraining and injuring yourself is two different things.

I believe most guys don't take advantage of reaching "near overtraining" which is actually optimum while on gear. Simply put, when in an almost overtrained state, the drug senses it needs to do what it does -- repair traumed muscle tissue. Most guys train normally, even UNDER train, expecting the drugs to do most of the work. This is why you have guys on gear who don't look any better (often worse) than natural trainers. It's also why you hear statements like "a cycle takes 4 weeks to kick in." Nonsense. If you train really hard and eat enough, you'll see results in days, not weeks.

Okay, now that there's a difference of opinion, it's time to close the thread.
 
OMFG...Me and Nelson agree on something.
 
Nelson Montana said:
I believe most guys don't take advantage of reaching "near overtraining" which is actually optimum while on gear. Most guys train normally, even UNDER train, expecting the drugs to do most of the work. This is why you have guys on gear who don't look any better (often worse) than natural trainers. It's also why you hear statements like "a cycle takes 4 weeks to kick in." Nonsense. If you train really hard and eat enough, you'll see results in days, not weeks.

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i agree with this
 
Nelson Montana said:
Overtraining and injuring yourself is two different things.

I believe most guys don't take advantage of reaching "near overtraining" which is actually optimum while on gear. Simply put, when in an almost overtrained state, the drug senses it needs to do what it does -- repair traumed muscle tissue. Most guys train normally, even UNDER train, expecting the drugs to do most of the work. This is why you have guys on gear who don't look any better (often worse) than natural trainers. It's also why you hear statements like "a cycle takes 4 weeks to kick in." Nonsense. If you train really hard and eat enough, you'll see results in days, not weeks.

Okay, now that there's a difference of opinion, it's time to close the thread.
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Good post.

Don't waste the gear. Push yourself. :)
 
I agree with Nelson as well. The interesting thing I have noticed is that training while on gear, there is either a chemical or psychological effect of not tiring out as fast. I tend to push MUCH harder on gear, just because of this effect - I feel like I can take my normal 15 to 20 sets and blow it out to 30 :) (just takes a long time...). Off gear I wear out after 15 to 20 focused/hard sets.
 
To Nelson and others that agree

So for Nelson and those who agree with what he said, how much more (roughly) can you train while on?

I know that if I'm training naturally I can only get like 9 sets per body part without overtraining, per week. I've tried more and after 2 or 3 weeks I feel like not going to the gym and tired all the time. I'm the kind of person that can't really hold back on the intensity though... I feel like I waste a set if I don't push myself to the max, so I'd rather do a few very hard sets than 20 sets of half-ass intensity.

Assuming all sets are taken to failure (not because it means that much, but because it is a reliable and consistent standard to measure intensity), how many sets per bodypart would you say are optimal if training each bodypart once a week?
 
Nelson Montana said:
Don't think just in terms of doing more sets. Lift more weight!
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Not to harp on it or anything but this is what I love about wsb training. These guys figured out a way to train at a high intensity and a high volume without overtraining, while making huge leaps in strength/mass gain. So it's not just the gear, it's the training too. Man, the Soviets really had their shit together...


;)
 
Well then, do you think this might be to much.
day 1 Chest/back(2 sessions chest morning, back at night)
day 2 Shoulders/arms(2 sessions, like above)
day 3 Legs
day 4 rest
Repeat

This way i have a decent ammount of time between shoulders/arms, untill i have my back/chest day.
Lots of sleep.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Overtraining and injuring yourself is two different things.

I believe most guys don't take advantage of reaching "near overtraining" which is actually optimum while on gear. Simply put, when in an almost overtrained state, the drug senses it needs to do what it does -- repair traumed muscle tissue. Most guys train normally, even UNDER train, expecting the drugs to do most of the work. This is why you have guys on gear who don't look any better (often worse) than natural trainers. It's also why you hear statements like "a cycle takes 4 weeks to kick in." Nonsense. If you train really hard and eat enough, you'll see results in days, not weeks.

Okay, now that there's a difference of opinion, it's time to close the thread.
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And bingo was his name-o. ;)
 
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