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Can You Name Some Things That Are Infinite?

LIFE ITSELF IS INFINITE. REGARDLESS OF WHEITHER YOU DIE OR NOT IT WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEONE ALIVE ON THIS PLANET.
 
DUSTY said:
LIFE ITSELF IS INFINITE. REGARDLESS OF WHEITHER YOU DIE OR NOT IT WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEONE ALIVE ON THIS PLANET.
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Nope your argument is flawed!
 
Ideas may or may not be infinite, in my opinion.

With one definition of 'idea', it could be said that ideas are infinite. For instance, if you can simply increase the quantity or multiplicity of some component(s) of an idea to get a new idea, you could create infinite ideas. This begs the question of whether that idea is unique or not.

Assuming our reality (including our consciousess) is part of a consistent system, it is entirely possible that unique ideas are limited in quantity. This is analogous to how there is a limited number of permutations in a set.

Imagine you have several balls. You may think there is an infinite number of three dimensional configurations, but is it really relevant to speak of infinitely small differences in position that affect the configuration quantitatively, but not qualitatively?
 
DUSTY said:
SO YOU'RE SAYIN' THAT NO LIFE WHATSO EVER WILL BE ON EARTH SOON. THAT'S BULL.
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In five Billion years the Sun will die and become a Dwarf Star! That is a short time in the actual time "TIMELINE!"
 
also this space | | is infitite because you can keep dividing the area in half...so the amount of times you can split things in half is infinite
 
DUSTY said:
SO YOU'RE SAYIN' THAT NO LIFE WHATSO EVER WILL BE ON EARTH SOON. THAT'S BULL.
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NO, THATS NOT BULL. THE SUN IS A MAIN SEQUENCE STAR RIGHT NOW. ITS ABOUT 4.5 BILLION YEARS OLD AND ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH ITS MAIN SEQUENCE LIFE. WHEN IT ENTERS THE RED GIANT PHASE NEXT, IT WILL CONSUME MERCURY AND VENUS. ESSENTIALLY, EARTH WILL BECOME LIKE PRESENT DAY VENUS WITH EXTREME AMOUNTS OF VOLCANIC ACTIVITY WHICH MEANS THE ATMOSTPHERE WILL BE ABOUT 90% CO2. THE CLOUDS WILL CONTAIN HIGH AMOUNTS OF SULFAR THUS PRODUCING SULFURIC ACID RAIN. YOU EVER HAD SULFURIC ACID ON YOUR SKIN???

EARTH ALSO HAS A MAGNETIC FEILD PRODUCED BY THE DYNAMO EFFECT. WE WILL NO LONGER HAVE ANY MORE DYNAMO EFFECT ONCE THE SUN REACHES RED GIANT PHASE. HENCE NO MORE MANGNETIC FEILD THAT PROTECTS US FROM SOLAR WINDS (MASS LOSS FROM THE SUN).

HOWEVER, BEFORE ALL THAT SHIT HAPPENS, WE WILL PROBABLY BE HIT BY A N.E.A. (NEAR EARTH ASTEROID) OR A COMET. 2 N.E.A.'S (ATENS AND APPOLOS) ACTUALLY CROSS THE ORBITS OF EARTH AND MARS. THEY ARE ABOUT 900-1000 ASTRONOMICAL UNITS FROM EARTH. YOU EVER BEEN HIT BUY A ASTEROID??? I'LL BET IT DONT FEEL TO GOOD.

SO NO, WE WILL NOT HAVE LIFE ON THIS PLANET FOREVER. BUT NONE OF US WILL BE AROUND TO WITNESS ANY OF THAT.




KAYNE
 
HANSEL said:

Possibly
Mathmatics are the Key to the universe.
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No Hansel, numbers are invented by humans. You can hardly anything created by humans is infinite.
They may look infinite to us, but are they really?

Jeff
 
DUSTY said:
LIFE ITSELF IS INFINITE. REGARDLESS OF WHEITHER YOU DIE OR NOT IT WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEONE ALIVE ON THIS PLANET.
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Sorry Dusty, you know too that this planet will not last forever.

Jeff
 
"There are only two things that are infinite, stupidity and the universe, and I'm not sure about the latter."

albert einstein








KAYNE
 
Jeff_rys said:


No Hansel, numbers are invented by humans. You can hardly anything created by humans is infinite.
They may look infinite to us, but are they really?

Jeff
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The word 'infinite' was defined and invented by humans. It is a mathematical definition. It makes sense that certain mathematical values can be infinite by definition.

However, I don't know why mathematics would be the key to our universe / existence.
 
plornive said:
The word 'infinite' was defined and invented by humans. It is a mathematical definition. It makes sense that certain mathematical values can be infinite by definition.

However, I don't know why mathematics would be the key to our universe / existence.
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Even if humans would not have existed, then some things would be infinite (although we would not be here).
It is not because there would be no live on earth that something in this universe would not be infinite, although i do not know what.
Infinite being a mathematical definition, probably only for us humans.

Jeff
 
Jeff_rys said:


Even if humans would not have existed, then some things would be infinite (although we would not be here).
It is not because there would be no live on earth that something in this universe would not be infinite, although i do not know what.
Infinite being a mathematical definition, probably only for us humans.

Jeff
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You can't have it both ways. Using your reasoning, even if there was no life on earth, some things could be still defined with mathematics.
 
THe amount of gas I have after combining Taco Bell and protien shakes in the same meal. Never ending noxious fumes.
 
i cant remember the term, but scientists speculate the univers is 16 sometings big. 16 quadrants?

if you go by the big bang theory, ieven that isnt infinate. the universe is growing still, but will retract eventually as well.
 
nevertoobig said:
Human Memory.
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nope, what happens if a meteor hits earth today and the earth is blown to pieces and every HUMAN is killed? There can be no "human memory" without humans. So that is not infinite.
 
DUSTY said:
LIFE ITSELF IS INFINITE. REGARDLESS OF WHEITHER YOU DIE OR NOT IT WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEONE ALIVE ON THIS PLANET.
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LOL!!!

Wow, some real scholars in this thread.
 
ok we disscussed time,space,numbers,life, and the big G himself. is there anything else to add to the list?
 
plornive said:
Explain
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My understanding of this is that there is no limit on the amount of memories that the brain can store. I think this is still debatable, but even if there is a 'memory capacity', then it is so big that it can be considered 'infinite'.

For the billions of brain cells which interconnect, there are over ten million billion junctions. The memories are dispersed over these webs.

Some experts comapre memory to a hologram. If you smash a hologram, each broken piece will still contain the complete picture, only fainter.

We never forget things, we just have trouble recalling them.
 
nevertoobig said:



My understanding of this is that there is no limit on the amount of memories that the brain can store. I think this is still debatable, but even if there is a 'memory capacity', then it is so big that it can be considered 'infinite'.

For the billions of brain cells which interconnect, there are over ten million billion junctions. The memories are dispersed over these webs.

Some experts comapre memory to a hologram. If you smash a hologram, each broken piece will still contain the complete picture, only fainter.

We never forget things, we just have trouble recalling them.
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Dosent matter.
There is a limit to the memories you can 'store' because you are only alive for a finite amount of time. Therefore, even if you remembered every single second of your existence you would not even begin to approach infinity. And even if every human could do this for every second of their lives you still do not even begin to approach it.

Lots of yo udont seem to appreciate what infinity means... a Googleplex is no closer to infinity then 1, relatively speaking.
 
nevertoobig said:



My understanding of this is that there is no limit on the amount of memories that the brain can store. I think this is still debatable, but even if there is a 'memory capacity', then it is so big that it can be considered 'infinite'.

For the billions of brain cells which interconnect, there are over ten million billion junctions. The memories are dispersed over these webs.

Some experts comapre memory to a hologram. If you smash a hologram, each broken piece will still contain the complete picture, only fainter.

We never forget things, we just have trouble recalling them.
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I understand why you would consider it 'infinite' now... although there is a finite amount of memory space, it would never matter if all of us thought it was infinite, because our brains will never become saturated with memories.
 
S.O.C.'s list of things that are infinite:

Wodin's Wisdom

The # of times you have to ask KAYNE to not type in all caps before he finally stops

HighIntensity's ego (see also Fonz's)

Frackal's capacity for righteous indignation

George Spellwin's greed
 
sermon_of_crockery said:


The # of times you have to ask KAYNE to not type in all caps before he finally stops
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I ALWAYS TELL MYSELF THAT I'M GOING TO STOP NEXT MONTH BUT WHEN SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT MY CAPS, I'LL ADD ANOTHER MONTH BEFORE I STOP. RIGHT NOW, I THINK I'M UP TO ANOTHER 223 MONTHS AND YOU JUST MADE IT 224. SO AS OF THIS POINT, IF NOONE SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT IT FOR THE NEXT 224 MONTHS, I'LL STOP THEN.






KAYNE
 
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I was hoping someone (nevertoobig) would try to refute my argument.
 
God

For those of you who may not accept God's existence...

...imagination is also infinite (don't confuse infinite with eternal).


Also, monads are infinite, and infinitely small.
 
KAYNE said:



I ALWAYS TELL MYSELF THAT I'M GOING TO STOP NEXT MONTH BUT WHEN SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT MY CAPS, I'LL ADD ANOTHER MONTH BEFORE I STOP. RIGHT NOW, I THINK I'M UP TO ANOTHER 223 MONTHS AND YOU JUST MADE IT 224. SO AS OF THIS POINT, IF NOONE SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT IT FOR THE NEXT 224 MONTHS, I'LL STOP THEN.






KAYNE
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That's right everybody, 223 months from now, when KAYNE is still typing in caps everybody can turn to me, sermon of crockery, and say "YOU CAUSED THIS TO HAPPEN!"
 
Silent Method said:


...imagination is also infinite (don't confuse infinite with eternal).
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If this is taken to be true, then that means that memory is also infinite because imagination and memory are very closley linked, if not the same. To remember, you have to create an image.


Anyway...

Bullit, what I meant was the memory capacity of a live human brain. I was talking about it as if it were possible for a person to live forever.

Everything you said was correct though.


If we want to talk about things more mathematically, then there's lots of things that can be considered 'infinite'.

e.g. The set of Integers
The set of real numbers.
A geometric series whose general term is 1/(2^r) and whose sum is 1.

etc...
 
nevertoobig said:

Bullit, what I meant was the memory capacity of a live human brain. I was talking about it as if it were possible for a person to live forever.
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The ONLY time we could have infinite memory capacity would be if we could live forever, AND the number of possible neuro-junctions was infinite.

As soon as the number of memories is limited - by the finite number of junctions - the sum cannot approach infinity.
 
Bullit said:


The ONLY time we could have infinite memory capacity would be if we could live forever, AND the number of possible neuro-junctions was infinite.

As soon as the number of memories is limited - by the finite number of junctions - the sum cannot approach infinity.
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Which is why i said 'is so big, it be considered infinite' rather than it is infinite. I wasn't talking mathematically.

'Infinite' is only a word which is interpreted differently by everybody. I've already given examples of it in the mathematical sense as I see it.

Of course ignorance and stupidity arent infinte in a mathematical sense, but then in another they are. Again, you're correct in what you said though.
 
Bullit said:
The ONLY time we could have infinite memory capacity would be if we could live forever
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You're confusing infinite with eternal.



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Originally posted by Silent Method


...imagination is also infinite (don't confuse infinite with eternal).


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Originally posted by nevertoobig
If this is taken to be true, then that means that memory is also infinite because imagination and memory are very closley linked, if not the same. To remember, you have to create an image.
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I'm not sure we know enough about memory to say whether it's capacity is infinite or not - but indeed, if imagination is infinite, memory capacity may be too. I think you might be right.


Imagination is certainly infinite in it's aptitude. Imagination allows us to percive things not present in reality. Memory is certainly intertwined with imagination, but our imgination always supercedes memory in it's aptitude.

We can consider any number of given variables which we summon up from memory - and then imagine something more. That is, we can add to the memories, rearrange them, toggle emotion, etc.

Now, if indeed memory capacity is infinite as, just as their is possibility for and infinite number and combination of ideas, would these ideas not be recorded in memory as they are generated?
 
Silent Method said:
God

For those of you who may not accept God's existence...

...imagination is also infinite (don't confuse infinite with eternal).


Also, monads are infinite, and infinitely small.
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Imagination is limited by the person imagining... most of our imagination comes from things we've seen, read about, or in some way experienced... most of what we think about is not truly novel.
 
The perimeter of a Kotch Snowflake.
 
Lift Chief said:


Imagination is limited by the person imagining... most of our imagination comes from things we've seen, read about, or in some way experienced... most of what we think about is not truly novel.
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So in this way, imagination is made up of memories, and we already know that memories are made by creating images (imagining).

Silent Method...I wasn't quite sure of what you were asking in that last paragraph.
 
Lift Chief said:
Imagination is limited by the person imagining... most of our imagination comes from things we've seen, read about, or in some way experienced... most of what we think about is not truly novel.
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It's not limited in aptitude. Yes, most of what we imagine comes from our experience. Even so, our ability to imagine is infinite.

Lets look at some simple imagination that is entirely based on experience. Can you not always imagine what might happen, what you might experience later in the day? Surely this imaginative foresight is grounded in what we have already seen and experience - but it goes a step beyond.
 
Silent Method said:

It's not limited in aptitude. Yes, most of what we imagine comes from our experience. Even so, our ability to imagine is infinite.

Lets look at some simple imagination that is entirely based on experience. Can you not always imagine what might happen, what you might experience later in the day? Surely this imaginative foresight is grounded in what we have already seen and experience - but it goes a step beyond.
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Yes it goes a step beyond our own experience... but it is still limited by our mental faculties... i think it's naive to assume that human imagination is infinite. JMO.
 
nevertoobig said:
So in this way, imagination is made up of memories, and we already know that memories are made by creating images (imagining).
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Imagination goes beyond memory.

A simple way to look at this is that imagination trancends here and now and the culmination of our experience. It allows us to imagine things not only as they are, but also as they might be.



nevertoobig said:
Silent Method...I wasn't quite sure of what you were asking in that last paragraph.
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Sorry, my wording got a little screwy there.

"Now, if indeed memory capacity is infinite as, just as their is possibility for an infinite number and combination of ideas, would these ideas not be recorded in memory as they are generated?"

What I mean by this is that you may be right. If we can imagine something, could we not remember what we have imagined?
 
Lift Chief said:


Yes it goes a step beyond our own experience... but it is still limited by our mental faculties... i think it's naive to assume that human imagination is infinite. JMO.
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I'm arguing that our "mental facilities" in regard to imagination are infinite. I think this shows in who we are, how we are distinct from other animals.


Just to add a flare of theology into this (after all, I believe God to be the creator of all things), I believe our infinite imagination is what is meant by us being "created in his image." Unlike God, we do not have infinite knowledge.
 
Silent Method said:
God

For those of you who may not accept God's existence...

...imagination is also infinite (don't confuse infinite with eternal).


Also, monads are infinite, and infinitely small.
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When I think of infinity, I immediately think of mathematics: transfinite set theory is one specific example.

any math majors?
 
plornive said:
You can't have it both ways. Using your reasoning, even if there was no life on earth, some things could be still defined with mathematics.
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Hehe Plornive. Well if there was no life on earth, there would not be any mathematics.....

Jeff
 
KAYNE said:



I ALWAYS TELL MYSELF THAT I'M GOING TO STOP NEXT MONTH BUT WHEN SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT MY CAPS, I'LL ADD ANOTHER MONTH BEFORE I STOP. RIGHT NOW, I THINK I'M UP TO ANOTHER 223 MONTHS AND YOU JUST MADE IT 224. SO AS OF THIS POINT, IF NOONE SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT IT FOR THE NEXT 224 MONTHS, I'LL STOP THEN.


KAYNE
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Make it 225 months.:D

Jeff
 
THE AMOUNT OF EVIL IN THE WORLD TODAY SEEMS INFINITE BUT I KNOW THAT WILL CHANGE.
 
"There are only 2 things that are infinite... the Universe and human stupidity, and i'm not sure about the former."
-Einstein

Not sure if this has already been posted because i'm too lazy to read the whole thing right now... but if it has been here it is again.
 
Lift Chief said:
"There are only 2 things that are infinite... the Universe and human stupidity, and i'm not sure about the former."
-Einstein

Not sure if this has already been posted because i'm too lazy to read the whole thing right now... but if it has been here it is again.
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YEP....I POSTED THAT ON PAGE 2 OR 3 ALONG WITH SOME KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE PLANET EARTH AND THE SUN FOR DUSTY. HE SEEMS TO THINK THAT LIFE IS INFINITE.
 
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