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pact

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a good first cycle? i've searched but it seems everyone has info for their "next cycle." i've also checked anabolic review for a list of their beginner cycles. i'm 6'3" 202lbs approx 9%bf, i'm looking to play pro hockey next year and that is the reason for the cycle. i'm leaning towards some type of test (sust?) and some winny tabs. secondly would it be worthwhile to only do a cycle for 6 weeks since i will then have to cross the border into Canada?
all help is appreciated
thanks
 
What kind of gains are you looking for? Size only? strength? both? just a little size and a lot of strength?

YUM
 
sorry guys, im 24, and have been working out for 7 years, but not hardcore like the rest of you im sure. i make all my gains in the summer (off season training) and just try to maintain in season by sticking to compound movements. i'm only looking to add 10 lbs (no more than 15) but i would like to lower my bf by 3% or so and to increase my strength a bit more and quicker than i normally would. i'm just looking for an extra edge as opposed to getting huge and super strong. if it means anything i've used creatine, and am a big fan of ppa and eca. my diet is pretty solid and i get over 200g of protein per day.
thanks again
 
I would look into a test/fina/winny cycle.... I kinda like that, some people might think it's too much for a first cycle, but i think "too much" falls more into a doseage category rather than a how-many-different-steroids-you-stack category (within reason, mind you..) .... so with that said, i'd go with something like:

test 250-500mg/week weeks 1-10
fina 50-75mg/day weeks 6-12
and/or
winny 50mg/day weeks 6-12
clomid post cycle

Your strength gains would be more solid with the fina in there
That cycle will give you some NICEstrength gains, and some nice mass gains, but not overly huge size gains..

YUM
 
thanks willy, do you think doing the test only for 6 weeks w/ possibly some winny tabs would be worthwhile. the reason is that i'm in the US but am going back home to Canada, and then i will come back to the US before my cycle is done, and im kinda worried about the borders. another reason for the cycle is that i lose a lot of my gains in hockey season and im looking to get back to my previous peek a lot quicker.
thanks
 
It depends on what kind of test you use... some test with longer esters are only starting to give you best restults in weeks 3-5 (like sust and enanthate and cypionate), if you went with a short acting ester like propionate or suspension then I could see running it for 6 weeks with some decent results, but otherwise i would try to find a way to run it for 10.

YUM
 
i'm still leaning towards that setup, but as an option, would there be any worthwhile steroid to take over a 6 week period?
thanks again
 
usually fina and winny are run 6-8 weeks... If you did fina and winny you would get some GREAT strength gains, but not too much at all in the size department.

YUM
 
does that mean i could get pretty cut at least? and would it also mean i would lose alot of strength post cycle? like i said im not looking to get huge but would it be possible to gain 5-10 lbs on that stack?
gotta run to class, but thanks again willy!!
 
Bro, you seem disciplined, you will grow off 300mg of Test a week. Trust me on this. You don't need Fina and other designer drugs. Save these for your other cycles. Test alone or with a little winny, is all you need. Get yourself some liquidex at .25mg a day and you're set.
 
I would advise you to spend a little more money and get human grade, you won't be disapointed. Also bump the protein up to at least 300g a day.
 
thanks andy, would winny tabs (50's) alone be sufficient for my goals? secondly, i don't know if this is getting too personal, but do you have any experience with Canadian customs?
thanks guys
 
I agree with bigandy69, fina/test/winny is way too much gear..you will easily put on at least 15 pounds if you use the test alone, probally more.
 
pact said:
thanks andy, would winny tabs (50's) alone be sufficient for my goals? secondly, i don't know if this is getting too personal, but do you have any experience with Canadian customs?
thanks guys
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I dont know about canadian customs! but I did a winny only cycle, gained 15 pounds and got allot stronger
 
strong man, for your winny only cycle is it safe to assume you used pills, and for how long? from what i've read it seems the winny is not used for long periods (a la 8 weeks and such). as a side note, any testosterone cycle seems to get great reviews, so would it be that much better than just winny?
thanks for all the help guys!!!
 
I don't order overseas(too risky), I get everything I need from Canada. It takes me 2-3 days to get my package once I send funds. Why go international, and risk seizure, takes weeks... There are amazing sources here. Look around and spend more time on the boards. (And No, don't email me I don't give out my sources.)

A testosterone cycle is great. 300mg a week of human grade test is a great first cycle. With the proper precautions, ie proscar, arimidex, clomid, it's virtually side-effect free.

Winny only cycle would be impossible for me, my joints would absolutely kill me.
 
andy, i understand there are sources in Canada, but it's that i'm in the US right now and will be crossing probably around week 6 or 7 of the cycle. as far as side effect free, i seem to be in the understanding to take clomid 3 weeks after my last shot, is this correct? out of curiosity, my buddy in the canada has a source for me, but would someone be willing to sell just enough for my last 2 or 3 weeks of my cycle and some clomid? (so i don't have to cross the border with any sauce)
 
You'll be crossing over to Canada from the US? Personal Possession of gear is legal in Canada my man. Nothing will happen to you if you bring ONE vial or a couple of amps with you.

Btw, never start a cycle if you don't have all your stuff. Don't assume you'll be able to find gear.
 
wow!!! that is great news, the border crossing was a big issue in to when i started my cycle. i guess that means i can even declare it when coming in to the country? i'm definately going to make sure i have everything before i start now. would a 10 week cycle of human grade test now be appropriate? when i buy the stuff do i ask the guy for human grade or do i need to be more specific?
thanks a lot
 
Bro, haha... don't declare it. They'll probably take it from you but nothing will happen to you. They can do whatever they want. Just keep it on you, don't speed, and don't look Arabic and you're fine.

You have a lot of learning to do. Certain brands are meant for human use and others are meant for animal use. Some drugs are made in second and third world countries and should be avoided in my opinion.

I would advise you to postpone your cycle until you learn more. You're not ready.
 
thanks andy, i got the non-arabic look taken care of!!!
i'm not looking to do the cycle until the start of april after my college season is over, so i'm looking for answers now so i'll know what i'm doing. it would be appreciated if you could mention types of test that are trusted. secondly, i won't declare it, but did you mean it literally to carry on me (in pocket) as opposed to in a bag in my back seat. i think i have heard that before. so at customs they can take it away but it's not illegal to carry??
thanks a lot
 
Well, when it's in an amp, it's meant for human use. I like Testosterone Cypionate by Upjohn in Canada, 100mg/ml.

The chance of them searching your car is greater then them searching you.
 
pact said:
thanks willy, do you think doing the test only for 6 weeks w/ possibly some winny tabs would be worthwhile. the reason is that i'm in the US but am going back home to Canada, and then i will come back to the US before my cycle is done, and im kinda worried about the borders. another reason for the cycle is that i lose a lot of my gains in hockey season and im looking to get back to my previous peek a lot quicker.
thanks
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run prop for 6 weeks thats should be fine and you should have no trouble passing a drug test
 
is it really going to matter what type of test i use? cyp seems to be popular on the thread polls postings, and prop will give quicker results? like i said, i would like to add 15 pounds but would also like my abs to come out (bottom 2) will this happen on this cycle and should i increase my caloric intake by 500 a day (and still get my abs)?
thanks for all the help guys
 
pact said:
is it really going to matter what type of test i use? cyp seems to be popular on the thread polls postings, and prop will give quicker results? like i said, i would like to add 15 pounds but would also like my abs to come out (bottom 2) will this happen on this cycle and should i increase my caloric intake by 500 a day (and still get my abs)?
thanks for all the help guys
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No, I wouldn't count on it. You need to be patient and realise that these are not miracle drugs. You will not add 15lbs of muscle and drop enough bodyfat to see your abs.(Assuming you have a normal BF%, 12-15%)

Even steroids can't produce the results certain supplement ads will let you beleive are possible with there brand of horse shit.

Cyp is a good choice, Prop will give you faster results, but you need to inject it every other day.
 
andy, so off cyp i'll inject 300ml once a week? i have about 9%bf and have gotten down to 5.5% in the past and my abs looked real good but i only weighed 182lbs (im 6'3") all my muscle showed but they were too small, so i'm not looking for a miracle to see my abs, but it took a good 3 months of solid dieting and some eca. would you suggest i add the calories or maintain my current intake?
thanks
 
You need to increase your caloric intake by 1000 cals over maintenance. Steroids require high calories to do there magic. Get at least 1.75g of protein per lb of BW.(I would shoot for 2g at your height) and lots of good quality carbs. Fats are not as important.

Eat as much CLEAN food as you can stomach. Keep stuffing your face with good quality calories. (7 meals a day.) You're not going to get fat if you keep it clean. Eat at least 3500 cals. (ideally you should be getting more), at least 350g-400 of protein and 500-600g of carbs. Drink 1.5-2 gallons of water a day, and take your arimidex.

And yes injecting Cyp once a week is fine.

And at 9% BF, you should be seeing your abs.
 
i've never really used a weight gainer since i've thought it would get me fat, but on this cycle would you recommend something like nlarge2 or are those not clean calories? not to be bothersome but could you also inform me the names of some companies that are trusted for cyp (thanks im still learning )?
 
pact said:
i've never really used a weight gainer since i've thought it would get me fat, but on this cycle would you recommend something like nlarge2 or are those not clean calories? not to be bothersome but could you also inform me the names of some companies that are trusted for cyp (thanks im still learning )?
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Weight gainers are complete crap. They are acceptable for an immediate post workout shake. That's the only time you should use it.

Nlarge is the best choice in my book. Use a full serving, I think 90g of carbs and 52g of protein only right after training. Then 45mins later have a large high protein meal.

UpJohn Cyp is good.

Let me just tell you that by giving you all this advice, I'm not condoning steroid use. I don't think you're ready.
 
thanks andy, i appreciate all your help and your concern, i'm just trying to learn as much as possible in the next 2 months before i start a cycle (april 1 or so). i'm gonna be playing pro hockey next year and i think this would really help get me to where i need to be physically. Particularly since i will be going back and forth into Canada and the US throughout the summer, i would like to do the cycle while i won't be going through customs as much. from what i've gathered so far, i think i would like to do cyp or enanthate (300ml)for 8-10 weeks with some liquidex and possibly add some winny pills in weeks 4-7, then clomid starting 3 week after my last shot. i understand i'm still very new to anabolics, but is there anything where i seem to be off the boat?
thanks once again
 
mac, could you please elaborate as to why and when? i'm still quite the newbie.
thanks
isn't it expensive too?
 
Since your are not looking for huge gains, anavar is a good candidate for your needs. Many would consider that anavar is the safest steroid out there. It has the least side effect and does not suppress hpta(but some argue). It is common used when bridging. Anavar is also a good tool to cut/harden up. Strenght increases is very common with this steroid. Athlete's would benefit from this due to the strenght and endurance improvement without significant weight increase.
Just my .02cents. :)

You should you the search utility on this board and read up on anavar. Since I'm no expert either.

My experieces with this was @30mg for 6weeks + 15grams creatine. Gains were 13lbs and kept 8-9lbs of it. No post cycle rehab either(ie. clomid/hcg)

The only downside with this compound is its price. It depends were you get it I suppose.

Regards.
 
thanks mac, does anyone think doing clen at the end of a 10 week period or the time between my last test shot and starting clomid would be beneficial? i'd still like to look ripped after doing the test
thanks
 
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