Can someone explain "Draw and Shoot"?

[Razorguns]

Hi,

I'm going to do a Test (LE or Cyp not sure yet)/EQ cycle soon. Never injected before.

What i'm confused about is the philosophy of "Draw and Shoot". or more specifically, using one needle to "draw" (eg: 21g) and then another needle to shoot (eg: 25g).

Why? What's the reasoning? How do you transfer it from one needle to another?

 

[jnevin]

I draw it out with a larger gauge needle and then switch it so I have a sharper and sanitary needle to inject with. Just twist the needle used to draw it with off and put a new one on.

 

[zebco]

The needles are removable. So purchase some larger(20 ga) for drawing from the vial or amp so it doesn't take 15 minutes to draw out 3 cc's. Then remove the large one and replace with the one for your injection(23 ga). You can use one needle for everything if you like, but using a new one will ensure cleanliness and it won't be dulled by passing it through the stopper of a vial. Hope this helps bro. getpinz.com is the answer for getting needles ony and complete syringes.

Z

 

[chefbone]

You remove the pin you draw with because it can be dulled and the top may be infectious(unlikely though). People draw with bigger needles because it's faster and less likely to clog.

 

[stuck]

Hi,

I'm going to do a Test (LE or Cyp not sure yet)/EQ cycle soon. Never injected before.

What i'm confused about is the philosophy of "Draw and Shoot". or more specifically, using one needle to "draw" (eg: 21g) and then another needle to shoot (eg: 25g).

Why? What's the reasoning? How do you transfer it from one needle to another?

You'll find all your answers at http://www.spotinjections.com. Look under "info".

The needles unscrew from the syringe. You put the 21g on, "draw" the fluid from the bottle, then unscrew it and put the 25g and inject. You can certainly use the 21g to inject, but once you see the size of them side by side you'll probably choose the 25g. Also, if you're using a vial, you'll dull the 21g pushing it through the stopper. In this case I can guarantee you, injecting with a dull 21g needle is not a fun thing to do.

Make sure you aspirate.

 

[Razorguns]

i just bought 100 25g 1" b&d needles off of getpinz.com

should i have gotten something else? now i feel like an idiot and gotta do another order.

 

[Apexx]

Razor, if you do decide to use two different pins, I wouldn't use anything smaller then a 20g needle to draw with. I've noticed that when you go smaller then that, the needle tends to rip the rubber stopper and leaves little rubber pieces in the vial. U definitely don't want to suck one of those up and inject it.

Apexx

Hi,

I'm going to do a Test (LE or Cyp not sure yet)/EQ cycle soon. Never injected before.

What i'm confused about is the philosophy of "Draw and Shoot". or more specifically, using one needle to "draw" (eg: 21g) and then another needle to shoot (eg: 25g).

Why? What's the reasoning? How do you transfer it from one needle to another?

 

[Razorguns]

Razor, if you do decide to use two different pins, I wouldn't use anything smaller then a 20g needle to draw with. I've noticed that when you go smaller then that, the needle tends to rip the rubber stopper and leaves little rubber pieces in the vial. U definitely don't want to suck one of those up and inject it.

Apexx

Should i get this then?

http://gpzservices.easystorecreator...8/Name/Needle_only_no_syringe_20_G_X_15#8243;

maybe if i order now, i can make it part of the same order.

 

[sweed]

i just bought 100 25g 1" b&d needles off of getpinz.com

should i have gotten something else? now i feel like an idiot and gotta do another order.

get like 25 20g. 1- 1.5" needles then.. not that expensive.. see if u can call or e-mail them to add it on to your order.
remember to inject air into the vial this makes sucking up the test/eq oil easierand you'll get exactly the amount of oil that u injected... then switch needles, and put on the smaller one and inject that shit! remember to clean with alcohol before and after. good luck injecting.. 23's didn;t hurt,so 25 must be buttah!

 

[stuck]

Should i get this then?

http://gpzservices.easystorecreator...8/Name/Needle_only_no_syringe_20_G_X_15#8243;

maybe if i order now, i can make it part of the same order.

I usually get the "Special #3":

# 100 piece of your choice (3 CC) Terumo syringe with needle.

# 100 piece of your choice of Terumo needle only.

# 1 pack alcohol wipes.

I get 100 23g 1.5" needle only and 100 20 1.5" syringe + needle.

 

[LVTitan]

I usually get the "Special #3":

# 100 piece of your choice (3 CC) Terumo syringe with needle.

# 100 piece of your choice of Terumo needle only.

# 1 pack alcohol wipes.

I get 100 23g 1.5" needle only and 100 20 1.5" syringe + needle.

that is a good idea. a nice package there.
you can draw and shoot !

 

[wayneboard1]

I use 23 gauge 1.5" sticks and draw and stick with the same needle. I have changed a few times to see if I notice any less pain or anything and notice nothing. I stick after a shower with heated gear and so far my new favorite place to stick is my glute. I slowly twist the dart and barely feel a sting and then it's in. I aspirate and then slowly inject. NO PAIN and no fuss. It takes me about 2 minutes total to draw from 2 vials for a total of 1.5CC. I think it's more of a hassle to change darts and what not, but it might depend on if you are injecting certain oils or water based gear, etc. PM me if you have any questions I will try and help.

 

[glover]

I do the same as Wayneboard1. 23 gauge to draw and stick. You will not notice a diff. But with your 25 gauge you will notice how slow it takes to get oil out. If your using water base it will be ok. The trouble to change pins may not be worth it you should try it both ways to decide.

You will not dull a steel needle by injecting it in a rubber stopper.

Hospitals never change needle from draw to inject. So let your common sense be your guide.

 

[trying2grow101]

i use a 1.5 inch needle 22 guage and draw and stick with the same one no problems and thats in the leg which is usely the toughest to do.

 

[LT3]

You will not dull a steel needle by injecting it in a rubber stopper.

Hospitals never change needle from draw to inject. So let your common sense be your guide.

THANK YOU. people make this process sound like an operation, i just draw and stick. plus if you think switching needles will make the job cleaner, i will disagree because, your touching the needles while changing them. so just draw and inject, you will not dull the needle from 1 use. personally i use 21 or 22 for glutes and dont feel a thing, i usually stick after a hot shower so the muscles are relaxed. but obviously i use a 25 for site injections. no pain just takes a long time.

 

[LVTitan]

You will not dull a steel needle by injecting it in a rubber stopper.

Hospitals never change needle from draw to inject. So let your common sense be your guide.

yes you will dull a needle from the rubber stopper. this is a known fact. you will also dull a needle from sticking urself with it. is it dull like a marble, NO. but is it still sharp as new, NO>

hospitals use the same needle cause why would they justify DOUBLING their expense on needles just to make the stick a tiny bit less painful for the patient ? hell, that wasnt so bad, i mean the nurse didnt even feel a thing !!!

 

[stuck]

If you're pushing your needle through a rubber stopper, you're dulling it. If that doesn't make a difference to you, that's cool. But, if your swab of the stopper didn't kill all the bacteria, you're transferring it to the needle and then into your muscle.

If you're touching the needle at any time you're doing something wrong. They dont ship you 100 loose needles. They're covered with plastic caps.

And yes, I do treat it like it's an operation cause I don't have any desire to end up in the emergency room. Do a search for "absess" or "infection". See if you'd enjoy being in any of those bro's shoes.

It takes 5 seconds to draw with a 20g pin. It costs 15 extra cents to buy those larger needles to draw. It takes you 10 seconds to switch needles. You guys talk like switching needles is a pain in the ass yet it takes you 2 minutes to draw? lol. Better safe than sorry, imo.

 

[LT3]

I agree that it dulls the needle, what i mean is: it doesnt dull it significantly enough to change the needle, IMO. I dunno, i guess each to his own. i dont feel the need to make it so complicated, if u do then thats kool, what ever works. personally i feel safe enough to swab the vial, stick the needle, draw then inject. but thats just me. plus every other injection that i've gotten that is not gear (imunizations etc), were on glutes or delt and the nurse did it fast, without changing the needle and there was not absess or infection. so my point is if i can take that then i can and do take gear injections in the same (safer/slower) manner. but like i said : each to his own.