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high levels of cortisol isn't good when you wanna build muscle so i say may be
Can muscles shrink while on AAS by over-training?
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LoneTree said:
I'm sorry man but that is just not research or science. Arnold may have been a great BBer but it's certainly not because he understands even the basics of exercise science. Look up studies on complete tissue remodeling with regard to weight training. Just logically there are going to be parameters that can drastically pull this single session figure to either side including:
-The conditioning of the athlete (to what training loads has this athlete accustomed himself)
-The level of fatigue present (you'll need to understand dual factor or fitness fatigue theory which is absolutely key for periodization)
-The amount of work performed (volume i.e. 3 sets of 8 or 100 sets of 8)
-The intensity with which the work is performed (i.e. are all these sets being done with 90%+ of your 1RM or are we talking 10% featherweight sets).
If you are inclined to really learn beyond the bogus stuff presented in the BBing mags, the ignorance of which never ceases to amaze me and really harms the results of so many people in the gyms, you can check out any of these books which are widely regarded as some of the finest ever written on the subject:
www.elitefts.com - Go to the books on training. You'll find the following (in no particular order):
A System of Multi Year Training in Weightlifting
Fundmentals of Special Strength Training in Sport
Supertraining (plus lots of others by Siff)
Managing the Training of Weightlifters
Science and Practice of Strength Training
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To the topic, of course it can happen. AAS only increases one's tolerances and ability to recover - it does not provide unlimited lattitude in the loads that can be applied and the duration one can tolerate them.
I can take just about anyone in the world and have them perform 20 grinding sets of backsquats and deadlifts with > 90% weight on the frequency of 10 sessions per week and drive them into overtraining very quickly. And if I don't let up, their strength will decrease steadily while they become walking zombies until the body doesn't kill itself. No doubt the overwhelming stimulus and sharpe drop off in strength will take it's toll and they'll wind up loosing significant muscle over the period.
An extreme case but sometimes a question or theory of possibility is best tested by looking at the extremes.
I can take just about anyone in the world and have them perform 20 grinding sets of backsquats and deadlifts with > 90% weight on the frequency of 10 sessions per week and drive them into overtraining very quickly. And if I don't let up, their strength will decrease steadily while they become walking zombies until the body doesn't kill itself. No doubt the overwhelming stimulus and sharpe drop off in strength will take it's toll and they'll wind up loosing significant muscle over the period.
An extreme case but sometimes a question or theory of possibility is best tested by looking at the extremes.
Joe Stenson
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Overtraining is a state your body goes into, not something that happens after a certain number of sets. There are a plethora of factors involved including the individual's own response to training, nutrition, sleep, etc.
Generally speaking though, if you are eating and sleeping enough, you probably are not going to overtrain. It's more likely the guys who are in the gym 7 days a week, eating 2000 calories/day and getting 4 hours/night that are going to be overtrained.
Generally speaking though, if you are eating and sleeping enough, you probably are not going to overtrain. It's more likely the guys who are in the gym 7 days a week, eating 2000 calories/day and getting 4 hours/night that are going to be overtrained.
silverbackn
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I have one thing to say, "pre-contest diet". You obviously lose size and strength.
My problem is with people who, on AAS, recommend working out every muscle group once a week.
I have seen several academic studies.
There is very good discussion on strength training in 'Physiology of Sports And Exercise'.
Arnold didn't himself write the book. It's only his name on the cover.
I am using his 'pyramidal' work out routine.
I am working out each muscle group at least twice a week.
If it is sore, I don't work it out. If it is not, I work out.
I have been able to increase weight IN EACH WORKOUT.
Initially, I could only feel increased strength, now I am bulking.
I have seen several academic studies.
There is very good discussion on strength training in 'Physiology of Sports And Exercise'.
Arnold didn't himself write the book. It's only his name on the cover.
I am using his 'pyramidal' work out routine.
I am working out each muscle group at least twice a week.
If it is sore, I don't work it out. If it is not, I work out.
I have been able to increase weight IN EACH WORKOUT.
Initially, I could only feel increased strength, now I am bulking.
silverbackn
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I am on AAS and I only do each muscle group once a week. I will be sore for 5 days after I lift every bodypart. Everyone is different. I'm on a gram of test right now and my recovery still isn't good enough to hit everything twice a week. I would fall apart if I did that.LoneTree said:
silverbackn
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I usually do about 15 sets for most bodyparts, over 20 for wheels.tommboy said:
LoneTree said:
Absolutely. Especially if you don't feed the muscle what it need to rebuild, recover, and repair IMMEDIATELY after training. A minimum of 50 grams whey protein, and 60-80 grams of carbs/sugar post workout, while you're still in the freaking locker room sweating. "Hey man, how come I can't gain and I'm taking all this juice?"
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