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Can Arimidex be added to post-cycle therapy?

Nighthawkk

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I still got a bunch of these laying around since I've been using nolva more during my 8 week deca/sust. How would I add it into a post-cycle regimen, and what would I combine it with? Right now I have a-dex, clomid, and nolva...
 
u can use all 3 to have a good recovery. really nolvs and clomid would work fine tho. may want to save the arimidex
 
i kept running ldex post cycle .5mg along with nolvadex at 20mg ed, with some other supps, can't remember right off my head, but had great results. Lost 1-2lbs during 4 weeks post cycle. I had bad sides with clomid so now I try to stay away from it.
 
I'm curious about this too. I can't remember exactly who it was but I think it was Huck Finnaplix that said running anastrozole post cycle with clomid helps to reduce acne caused by the hormonal changes. I'm not sure if clomid causes an increase in estrogen but thats what I got from it. Therefore running l-dex or a-dex with clomid will minimize the hormonal changes and thus result in less acne.
 
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I'm curious about this too. I can't remember exactly who it was but I think it was Huck Finnaplix that said running anastrozole post cycle with clomid helps to reduce acne caused by the hormonal changes. I'm not sure if clomid causes an increase in estrogen but thats what I got from it. Therefore running l-dex or a-dex with clomid will minimize the hormonal changes and thus result in less acne.

I know for me it works great for controlling acne. But for PCT purposes it offers limited benefit as far as restoring proper HPTA function (other than controlling estrogen levels).
 
there is no estrogen conversion post cycle so i cant see why u ould need it
 
What I read, if you used HCG there might be estrogen conversion from the HCG test spike it caused. Also, if you are still ramping down from all that extra androgen in the blood stream freaky stuff can still hapen like a bunch of extra aromitization. like when people get gyno 3 weeks after post cycle. How can an anti aromatase hurt?
 
Aromatase inhibition in the human male reveals a hypothalamic site of estrogen feedback.

Hayes FJ, Seminara SB, Decruz S, Boepple PA, Crowley WF Jr.

Department of Medicine and National Center for Infertility Research, Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston 02114, USA. [email protected]

The preponderance of evidence states that, in adult men, estradiol (E2) inhibits LH secretion by decreasing pulse amplitude and responsiveness to GnRH consistent with a pituitary site of action. However, this conclusion is based on studies that employed pharmacologic doses of sex steroids, used nonselective aromatase inhibitors, and/or were performed in normal (NL) men, a model in which endogenous counterregulatory adaptations to physiologic perturbations confound interpretation of the results. In addition, studies in which estrogen antagonists were administered to NL men demonstrated an increase in LH pulse frequency, suggesting a potential additional hypothalamic site of E2 feedback. To reconcile these conflicting data, we used a selective aromatase inhibitor, anastrozole, to examine the impact of E2 suppression on the hypothalamic-pituitary axis in the male. Parallel studies of NL men and men with idiopathic hypogonadotropic hypogonadism (IHH), whose pituitary-gonadal axis had been normalized with long-term GnRH therapy, were performed to permit precise localization of the site of E2 feedback. In this so-called tandem model, a hypothalamic site of action of sex steroids can thus be inferred whenever there is a difference in the gonadotropin responses of NL and IHH men to alterations in their sex steroid milieu. A selective GnRH antagonist was also used to provide a semiquantitative estimate of endogenous GnRH secretion before and after E2 suppression. Fourteen NL men and seven IHH men were studied. In Exp 1, nine NL and seven IHH men received anastrozole (10 mg/day po x 7 days). Blood samples were drawn daily between 0800 and 1000 h in the NL men and immediately before a GnRH bolus dose in the IHH men. In Exp 2, blood was drawn (every 10 min x 12 h) from nine NL men at baseline and on day 7 of anastrozole. In a subset of five NL men, 5 microg/kg of the Nal-Glu GnRH antagonist was administered on completion of frequent blood sampling, then sampling continued every 20 min for a further 8 h. Anastrozole suppressed E2 equivalently in the NL (136 +/- 10 to 52 +/-2 pmol/L, P < 0.005) and IHH men (118 +/- 23 to 60 +/- 5 pmol/L, P < 0.005). Testosterone levels rose significantly (P < 0.005), with a mean increase of 53 +/- 6% in NL vs. 56 +/- 7% in IHH men. Despite these similar changes in sex steroids, the increase in gonadotropins was greater in NL than in IHH men (100 +/- 9 vs. 58 +/- 6% for LH, P = 0.07; and 85 +/- 6 vs. 41 +/- 4% for FSH, P < 0.002). Frequent sampling studies in the NL men demonstrated that this rise in mean LH levels, after aromatase blockade, reflected an increase in both LH pulse frequency (10.2 +/- 0.9 to 14.0 +/- 1.0 pulses/24 h, P < 0.05) and pulse amplitude (5.7 +/- 0.7 to 8.4 +/- 0.7 IU/L, P < 0.001). Percent LH inhibition after acute GnRH receptor blockade was similar at baseline and after E2 suppression (69.2 +/- 2.4 vs. 70 +/- 1.9%), suggesting that there was no change in the quantity of endogenous GnRH secreted. From these data, we conclude that in the human male, estrogen has dual sites of negative feedback, acting at the hypothalamus to decrease GnRH pulse frequency and at the pituitary to decrease responsiveness to GnRH.

Here's another one:
Estrogen suppression in males: metabolic effects.

Mauras N, O'Brien KO, Klein KO, Hayes V.

Nemours Research Programs at the Nemours Children's Clinic, Jacksonville, Florida 32207, USA. [email protected]

We have shown that testosterone (T) deficiency per se is associated with marked catabolic effects on protein, calcium metabolism, and body composition in men independent of changes in GH or insulin-like growth factor I production. It is not clear,,however, whether estrogens have a major role in whole body anabolism in males. We investigated the metabolic effects of selective estrogen suppression in the male using a potent aromatase inhibitor, Arimidex (Anastrozole). First, a dose-response study of 12 males (mean age, 16.1 +/- 0.3 yr) was conducted, and blood withdrawn at baseline and after 10 days of oral Arimidex given as two different doses (either 0.5 or 1 mg) in random order with a 14-day washout in between. A sensitive estradiol (E2) assay showed an approximately 50% decrease in E2 concentrations with either of the two doses; hence, a 1-mg dose was selected for other studies. Subsequently, eight males (aged 15-22 yr; four adults and four late pubertal) had isotopic infusions of [(13)C]leucine and (42)Ca/(44)Ca, indirect calorimetry, dual energy x-ray absorptiometry, isokinetic dynamometry, and growth factors measurements performed before and after 10 weeks of daily doses of Arimidex. Contrary to the effects of T withdrawal, there were no significant changes in body composition (body mass index, fat mass, and fat-free mass) after estrogen suppression or in rates of protein synthesis or degradation; carbohydrate, lipid, or protein oxidation; muscle strength; calcium kinetics; or bone growth factors concentrations. However, E2 concentrations decreased 48% (P = 0.006), with no significant change in mean and peak GH concentrations, but with an 18% decrease in plasma insulin-like growth factor I concentrations. There was a 58% increase in serum T (P = 0.0001), sex hormone-binding globulin did not change, whereas LH and FSH concentrations increased (P < 0.02, both). Serum bone markers, osteocalcin and bone alkaline phosphatase concentrations, and rates of bone calcium deposition and resorption did not change. In conclusion, these data suggest that in the male 1) estrogens do not contribute significantly to the changes in body composition and protein synthesis observed with changing androgen levels; 2) estrogen is a main regulator of the gonadal-pituitary feedback for the gonadotropin axis; and 3) this level of aromatase inhibition does not negatively impact either kinetically measured rates of bone calcium turnover or indirect markers of bone calcium turnover, at least in the short term. Further studies will provide valuable information on whether timed aromatase inhibition can be useful in increasing the height potential of pubertal boys with profound growth retardation without the confounding negative effects of gonadal androgen suppression.

I believe that arimidex can be an effective adjunctive post cycle med. Due to the fact that it will lower Estrogen levels quickly, after aromatising agents have been discontinued. Even if non-aromatising anabolics were used, it can still aggresively stimulate the hypothalm. to kick out LHRH as it senses a starvation of E and thus generates precursors to produce test which will deliver the necessary estrogen. Also with reccomended HCG therapy testicular aromatase will be increased,as explained to me by a credible endocronologist friend of mine, therefore it could be co-administered with the HCG for 3-4 wks, then followed by traditional clomid/nolvadex therapy.
Estrogen levels should be monitored closely via blood levels, to ensure that they dont fall too low into unhealthy sub-normal parameters :think:
 
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armidex can increase LH and testosterone levels by reducing the inhibition and negative feedback caused by estrogen. If estrogen levels are very low , then you should not see a increase in test levels. As test levels start to recover armidex might be able to help it along by preventing T from being converted to E.

Clomid does not stimulate the HPTA , it also prevents its inhibition due to the presense of estrogen by acting as a weak estrogen. .
 
Ok, so apparently it seems that A-dex can't hurt and it can only help post-cycle. So what dosages can one run along side Nolva or Clomid? I was planning to use both, so if I threw in .5 mg ED A-dex for the first two weeks, would that be sufficient?
 
Just wanted to slip another one in. Enjoy ;)


Aromatase inhibition for the treatment of idiopathic hypogonadotropic hypogonadism in men with premature ejaculation.

Holbrook JM, Cohen PG.

Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences, Southern School of Pharmacy, Mercer University, Atlanta, GA 30341, USA. [email protected]

BACKGROUND: Idiopathic hypogonadotropic hypogonadism (IHH) has been observed to occur in men with premature ejaculation (PE). Common IHH therapies include testosterone replacement, which increases testosterone levels but suppresses gonadotropin release; and gonadotropin-releasing hormone supplementation, which restores gonadotropin levels but is impractical for chronic use. Hormonal imbalances associated with IHH/PE are thought to be related to hyperactivity of the cytochrome P-450 enzyme aromatase. METHODS: Ten male patients with a diagnosis of IHH/PE were treated with the aromatase inhibitor anastrazole (1 mg/d orally). Levels of free and total testosterone, luteinizing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone, prolactin, and estradiol were determined at baseline and after 2 weeks of therapy. RESULTS: After 2 weeks of therapy with anastrazole, levels of testosterone, luteinizing hormone, and estradiol had returned to normal. No effect was noted on premature ejaculation. CONCLUSION: These results suggest that aromatase inhibition with anastrazole may provide a practical and efficacious alternative for the treatment of IHH but is not effective in preventing premature ejaculation.

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