came off 15 weeks 1 gram test/600EQ

[Mythicalbeing]

Let me tell you first of all...I know 1 gram is alot of test , and I had a good plan to "adjust" coming off that massive dose. I SHOULD have stuck to it. The plan was to taper, or change compounds in the end to prevent a crash...in truth I actually came off cold turkey and started PCT...felt unlike myself at post cycle week 5 went and had blood tests done....and can tell you I'm "close to normal" with low free test levels...and a doc willing to work with my insurance for HRT.(If I can maintain my free test in the lowered state)

The feeling? Not a good one, my body was thrown into hormone overload and then cold turkey I just stopped one day....not a good idea.2 weeks later I felt trapped, and anxious, lazy, unmotivated...all in all a 2 on a feel good scale.

PCT worked like a champ, but only after the most miserible 4 weeks of my life. I ran 10000 IUS of HCG, clomid, nolva. Per Jenetics suggestion. He's right on. I can tell you bros that.

Where does that leave me right now? Looking pretty good, lost water weight like a bastard, good fullness over all. Maintained a good percentage of strength so far....I'm close to recovered, and will start HRT in one more week, I saw a loss of 6 pounds over all, up from 262 to 272 (here now) had a high weight of 278..all other blood work came back solid...nothing to concern myself with...everything but my free test are in the norm. I did show an increase in cholesterol both good and bad, but still in the "normal" range.

So here I am back again....what did I learn? 500mg test cyp/enth is a good round number... there is no need for me to push the limits like that again. To be honest I had better results with tren. Looking forward to my next cycle.


Good to be myself again,
Myth

 

[cornfish]

Mythe what did you notice as far as bf% during your cycle? You said your overall weight went down, but what was a ballpark for your gains? Just bf% and LBM

Thanks,
Cornfish

 

[cydex01]

Good to hear your PCT worked out so well coming straight off a gram a test. Thanks for sharing with us.

May I ask, what doses of tren for how long do you feel you'd get similar or 'better' results?

cydex01

 

[Goldprospector]

I realize that was a higher dosage, but as you said...You wont do it again, anyway, even though it was high, and depending on you GL, 10 lbs LBM kept is a good gain IMO.
Congrats with the cycle and PCT.
Throw up some pics bro.

 

[Mythicalbeing]

Thanks bros Gold(congrats of being accused of being on)....10 is decent, but 10 lbs is my normal gain. My strength was explosive, I did hit my goal....so nothing wrong there as far as I'm concerned, but the risk to rewards wasn't something I wanted to deal with, and the feeling...down right shitty.

Cornfish my BF went down...so it was LBM increase of almost 12 pounds, but right at my average per cycle.

Cydex 8 weeks of tren and prop at 100 prop 75mg tren EOD had the same effect. But body composition wise tren and prop gave me an over all harder look....

 

[cydex01]

That's great to hear, my next cycle is going to be:

8 weeks of 75 tren EOD
8 weeks of 100 prop EOD
and last 6 weeks of 50mg oral winny ED

Thanks Mythical, I can't wait.

Now if another month and a half or so would hurry up and pass by...

cydex01

 

[Mythicalbeing]

I know the hurry up feeling. I think you'll do very well on that cycle.

 

[Mythicalbeing]

I'll post a pic up this afternoon....will be in my profile...same pose....as I have alot of very unique marks....LOL

 

[Sir-Que]

I felt trapped, and anxious, lazy, unmotivated...all in all a 2 on a feel good scale.

Yeah classic crash syndrome.....The whole unmotivated aspect is the shock cause you can't understand it, or why it's happening. You know the fire should be there, but it just isn't.

I had a bad crash once and never again, from then on out ALL cycles get some sort of HCG therapy throughout.

SQ-

 

[Dial_tone]

Tapering may not be necessary from a medical point of view but psychologically I think it's a good idea for cycles 1.5 grams and up.

 

[bicepts101]

you going on hrt so i would do it again....pct will never happen again

 

[RADAR]

I wouldn't reccommend that amount without tapering.

RADAR

 

[Mythicalbeing]

Radar...it wasn't planned, it just worked out that way....tappering was my whole intent.

 

[silverbackn]

I thought it was pretty much common knowledge that tapering doesn't do anything. If your doses is supraphysiological you are gonna stay shut off.

 

[roidpuple]

so it is just a mental thing... to slowly get use to the feeling??

 

[Mythicalbeing]

I don't quite understand the concept...if you taper and start PCT after you've tappered for a bit, do you come back quicker?

 

[silverbackn]

From what I have read, as long as your dosage is above your baseline enough to shut it off it will be shut down until your dose is back below your baseline (or you start pct). There is some info on this in Anabolics 2004. "One of the most fundamental beliefs among steroid users is that tapering, or the practice of slowly coming reducing their drug dosage when discontinuing a cycle, is an absolute necessity when wishing to preserve your newly gained muscle mass. Unfortunately, you will see that this belief is extremely flawed. This is because in order for the production of testosterone to be fully restored, the body will need to recognize an androgen deficit, not just a drop in steroid dosage. " Hope this helps. This was written by Bill Llewellyn, who is one of the most respected drug information writers around. This info is found on pare 40 of his book.

 

[roidpuple]

I don't quite understand the concept...if you taper and start PCT after you've tappered for a bit, do you come back quicker?

From what I have read, as long as your dosage is above your baseline enough to shut it off it will be shut down until your dose is back below your baseline (or you start pct). There is some info on this in Anabolics 2004. "One of the most fundamental beliefs among steroid users is that tapering, or the practice of slowly coming reducing their drug dosage when discontinuing a cycle, is an absolute necessity when wishing to preserve your newly gained muscle mass. Unfortunately, you will see that this belief is extremely flawed. This is because in order for the production of testosterone to be fully restored, the body will need to recognize an androgen deficit, not just a drop in steroid dosage. " Hope this helps. This was written by Bill Llewellyn, who is one of the most respected drug information writers around. This info is found on pare 40 of his book.

i dont think they mean the tappering has anything to do with keeping gains...
although some may thinks so...
.....but it is how you feel... with test.. in your system you feel good feel fine no depression.. the less you have the more depressed you will feel...
.so instead if going from having a gram a week... in your system ....
to all the the sudden none... it helps you adjust... as far as your mood and sutch... instead of all of the sudden Wham.. just i feel .. like a winny pussy... you can ease into it.... and getting a little better control of it.. That is my understanding ... Please correct me if I am wrong ..

 

[slat1]

This was a great post. So many people post up huge doses and never give us feedback. It is also nice to see someone of your size mention that a gram of test was too much. I know so many guys that are around 200lbs while ON a gram of test. I'm 240 and I grow on 500mgs of test. It seems like a lot of people either don't eat right or work out right. This is the first post I have seen that tells us the results etc.
KARMA

 

[Mythicalbeing]

Slat1...Says I have to spread it around(karma), but I'm glad you got some information out of my post. As stated above I wouldn't call it depression, but I felt things weren't right...did I mention sleeplessness? Anxious...almost like I was seperated from myself, looking in...??? I know it sounds crazy...but it's true. For 2 weeks....the feeling just ate at me, my joints stiffened a bit as well, but recovered from this by streching(this could have been a gh side)...All in all it's a road I will not travel again.

 

[silverbackn]

Mythical, I don't think tapering will help you come back quicker with pct. Llewellyn states that cold turkey into pct is the best method (don't know if this is science or just his educated opinion). I am just re-stating what I have read though. Bottom line is that if you taper down and feel better when you come off then go for it! Everybody bounces back a little different. I came off a gram of test and recovered pretty quickly (I am only 24 though). I am about to hit a G a week again to start my pre-contest run. This has been a very good post, I dig the real world feedback!

 

[StickFigure]

i dont think they mean the tappering has anything to do with keeping gains...
although some may thinks so...
.....but it is how you feel... with test.. in your system you feel good feel fine no depression.. the less you have the more depressed you will feel...
.so instead if going from having a gram a week... in your system ....
to all the the sudden none... it helps you adjust... as far as your mood and sutch... instead of all of the sudden Wham.. just i feel .. like a winny pussy... you can ease into it.... and getting a little better control of it.. That is my understanding ... Please correct me if I am wrong ..

The only thing I would like to correct is the way you post! WTF is up with all the ..... bullshit??!?!? Just fucking write your post without making it look like we're reading a fucking poem!

You remind me of jkurz1.

 

[Popeye1]

I ran 10000 IUS of HCG, clomid, nolva. Per Jenetics suggestion. He's right on. I can tell you bros that.

I missed this I guess....what exactly is Jenetics suggestion?

 

[roidpuple]

The only thing I would like to correct is the way you post! WTF is up with all the ..... bullshit??!?!? Just fucking write your post without making it look like we're reading a fucking poem!

You remind me of jkurz1.

It sounds like you have been on your cycle to long.............
Do you need a hug..... U are really looking at that (..........) and getting pissed off... thats funny shit.. I think you will be ok.. bro.
jkurz1z sounds like a cool mo fo..
roses are red...i caught a bass... stickFigure has something up his ass!?!?!

 

[FlexManning]

From what I have read, as long as your dosage is above your baseline enough to shut it off it will be shut down until your dose is back below your baseline (or you start pct). There is some info on this in Anabolics 2004. "One of the most fundamental beliefs among steroid users is that tapering, or the practice of slowly coming reducing their drug dosage when discontinuing a cycle, is an absolute necessity when wishing to preserve your newly gained muscle mass. Unfortunately, you will see that this belief is extremely flawed. This is because in order for the production of testosterone to be fully restored, the body will need to recognize an androgen deficit, not just a drop in steroid dosage. " Hope this helps. This was written by Bill Llewellyn, who is one of the most respected drug information writers around. This info is found on pare 40 of his book.

IOW, if simply taking small doses caused our bodies to think we weren't supplying exogenous test, we could take small doses nonstop for the rest of our lives with fantastic results.

That being said though, I can understand the psychological aspect of it. But then again high doses haven't made me feel all that fantastic to begin with.

 

[silverbackn]

IOW, if simply taking small doses caused our bodies to think we weren't supplying exogenous test, we could take small doses nonstop for the rest of our lives with fantastic results.

That being said though, I can understand the psychological aspect of it. But then again high doses haven't made me feel all that fantastic to begin with.

Taking doses that low wouldn't do anything. If it is below our normal levels our bodies wouldn't respond any differently. That would be nice though. Our bodies are all about homeostasis, checks and balances. They are tough to trick!