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CALLING ALL MEN OVER 30. Old time stacks
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SofaGeorge
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Realgains said:One popular one from the 70's was deca/d-bol. Deca at 400 per week for 10 weeks and d-bol at 20-30mg per day for 4-6 weeks.
This was a favorite of the late great Mike Mentzer. Note the low doses!
RG
Sorry bro, but that would have been considered a wild man's stack in the '70s. All through the '80s the standard dose of deca was 200mg a week... 400mg was considered HIGH... and in '86-87 the standard recommended dose of d-bol was still 15mg a day.
My favorite stack from the '80s... 200mg deca/150mg EQ.
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SofaGeorge.........remember Mike Mentzers old "Heavy Duty" Booklets that he published in the late 1970's ..well in his "Heavy Duty Journal" he says that he did 400 of deca and I think 20 or 30 of d-bol before the 1979 or 1980 Olympia....then again Mentzer was considered a "wild man"
RG
SofaGeorge said:
SofaGeorge.........remember Mike Mentzers old "Heavy Duty" Booklets that he published in the late 1970's ..well in his "Heavy Duty Journal" he says that he did 400 of deca and I think 20 or 30 of d-bol before the 1979 or 1980 Olympia....then again Mentzer was considered a "wild man"
RG
SofaGeorge
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Re: Re: Re: CALLING ALL MEN OVER 30. Old time stacks
Bingo... Mike was considered to be a guy living on the edge.
There's a famous story Vince Gironda used to tell a lot about how back in the '60s all the top bodybuilders of that era met at his gym one night to discuss d-bol doseage. Everybody had been taking 1 5mg pill a day. The guys were there to discuss whether or not it would be safe/beneficial to go to 2 pills a day. He said a couple guys stalked out in disgust because they thought the 2 pill a day guys were insane.
Realgains said:
SofaGeorge.........remember Mike Mentzers old "Heavy Duty" Booklets that he published in the late 1970's ..well in his "Heavy Duty Journal" he says that he did 400 of deca and I think 20 or 30 of d-bol before the 1979 or 1980 Olympia....then again Mentzer was considered a "wild man"
RG
Bingo... Mike was considered to be a guy living on the edge.
There's a famous story Vince Gironda used to tell a lot about how back in the '60s all the top bodybuilders of that era met at his gym one night to discuss d-bol doseage. Everybody had been taking 1 5mg pill a day. The guys were there to discuss whether or not it would be safe/beneficial to go to 2 pills a day. He said a couple guys stalked out in disgust because they thought the 2 pill a day guys were insane.
SofaGeorge
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gtaman said:
That was my first cycle... 200mg deca/20mg d-bol... and I got great gains. I went up 20lbs of mass... kept it all for life.
I am over 30 and I do not know what the hell was going on in the 70's! Hell it was 93 before I did my first cycle. I do remember in the mid 80's working in a hardcore gym and opening up the fridge to find a bottle of EQ and I was thinking while reading "For veterinary use only" and thinking "These guys are crazy! This shit is for horses!" ........Now its one of my favorite drugs.
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Triple J
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I have said it before, but the cycle we did in the early 80s (prescribed by a doc) was one shot of deca (200mg) followed by 10 days of 10mg dbol, then 10 days of 5mg dbol, then 10 days off - then repeat. Sometimes substitute a different oral. We made good gains off this protocol with zero sides, and could continue all pre and in-season!!
If I could get my hands on primo I would probably go that route today, cause deca does not agree with sex drive and shuts me down hard now. It did not really bother me in my early 20s though.
Everyone should start out with low doses and moderate cycles and see if they can get the result they are looking for that way first.
If I could get my hands on primo I would probably go that route today, cause deca does not agree with sex drive and shuts me down hard now. It did not really bother me in my early 20s though.
Everyone should start out with low doses and moderate cycles and see if they can get the result they are looking for that way first.
SofaGeorge
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Nico Cujo said:
LMAO... considered the steroid of the gods back then...
Triple J
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Nico Cujo said:
I remember it but never got my hands on any. But I never heard anything but good things about it, like "it will get you bigger than anything and there are zero sides"
Well, what I probably miss the most was cheap Anavar.
Now I preach conservatism and safety, but that aside, did anyone else besides myself ever shoot up that stuff from monkeys they used to pass of as GH? It was from rhesus monkeys, was pink and gooey with chunks in it. I shot it up on a couple of occasions and it seemed like it leaned you out some - maybe just an immune respone LOL
My first cylcle was prescribed by a doctor back in 83'. It was anavar and dianabol and man was it cheap back then. It made me strong as hell. Gained about 20 lbs. Lyle Alzado and others would not have had a football career if not for steroids. He was 195 lb. linebacker coming in to college. Randy White was reported to have been on Deca and Anavar. I think had I been able to get ahold of the stuff when I needed it, I might have played pro football.
Many successful cycles with sub 500mg weekly.
Deca 200mg week and dbol 20mg day - fantastic
Hell, on a dbol only cycle I had to back the dosage down from 20 to 15 and then 10 as I was getting too heavy too fast.
Deca 200mg week and 20mg of oral winny (the little 2mg ones).
This is why I just don't understand guys running their first cycles at 500mg of test, 400 mg of equipoise, and 30mg dbol. Either my genetics are incredible (so were many of my friends' back then so unlikely) or there is a major difference in training and nutrition. With everyone tweaking protein to the gram I have to go with the training.
Deca 200mg week and dbol 20mg day - fantastic
Hell, on a dbol only cycle I had to back the dosage down from 20 to 15 and then 10 as I was getting too heavy too fast.
Deca 200mg week and 20mg of oral winny (the little 2mg ones).
This is why I just don't understand guys running their first cycles at 500mg of test, 400 mg of equipoise, and 30mg dbol. Either my genetics are incredible (so were many of my friends' back then so unlikely) or there is a major difference in training and nutrition. With everyone tweaking protein to the gram I have to go with the training.
I got the following from Nelson Montana and he has a good grasp of the past.
Arnold reportly liked 600 of primo/wk and 50 of d-bol/day
Mike Mentzer used Test 400 and 25 of d-bol......and I know he used 400 of deca and 20 of d-bol too.
Sergio used 200 of deca/week and 20 of winny/day
Frank Zane used 100 of deca and 100 of primo with some thyroid at times
Larry Scott used 10 of d-bol way back in the 60's
Draper used 25 of winstrol way back in the late 60's early 70's
All these guys looked fantastic to me and actually better than the pro'd today for the most part and take a look at the low doses!!
I thought I was a low dose man but even I have been caught up in the more is better crap.......that has now changed for good!
Best of luck and lets rely on proper bodybuilding and less on steroids....like the champs of old......besides its better for the health. And who here besides Quadsweep "The Voice of Reason" is almost a pro?
As a side Quad uses very little gear compaired to most top competitors and even many on this board.
Do you know what is really sick???????....Many pro female today use more than the pro men of the 60's and 70's!!
RG
Arnold reportly liked 600 of primo/wk and 50 of d-bol/day
Mike Mentzer used Test 400 and 25 of d-bol......and I know he used 400 of deca and 20 of d-bol too.
Sergio used 200 of deca/week and 20 of winny/day
Frank Zane used 100 of deca and 100 of primo with some thyroid at times
Larry Scott used 10 of d-bol way back in the 60's
Draper used 25 of winstrol way back in the late 60's early 70's
All these guys looked fantastic to me and actually better than the pro'd today for the most part and take a look at the low doses!!
I thought I was a low dose man but even I have been caught up in the more is better crap.......that has now changed for good!
Best of luck and lets rely on proper bodybuilding and less on steroids....like the champs of old......besides its better for the health. And who here besides Quadsweep "The Voice of Reason" is almost a pro?
As a side Quad uses very little gear compaired to most top competitors and even many on this board.
Do you know what is really sick???????....Many pro female today use more than the pro men of the 60's and 70's!!
RG
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Stillgoing
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I'm right with ya'll. First cycle in '88 was 1 shot of deca per month and 10mg of dbol a day, from a doctor. Gained 15pds or so.....
liftsiron
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Early 80's d-bol cycle
week 1, 5mg day
week2 , 10mg day
week3, 15mg day
week4, 20mg day
week 5 15 mg day
week 6 10mg day
week 7 5mg day
This cycle was often compounded by adding either 200mg of deca or 200mg of test cyp a week. Everyone that I know used hcg near the end of the cycle to jump start the testes. Its interesting to note though that the three biggest guys that I knew in that era used about five times that amount.
week 1, 5mg day
week2 , 10mg day
week3, 15mg day
week4, 20mg day
week 5 15 mg day
week 6 10mg day
week 7 5mg day
This cycle was often compounded by adding either 200mg of deca or 200mg of test cyp a week. Everyone that I know used hcg near the end of the cycle to jump start the testes. Its interesting to note though that the three biggest guys that I knew in that era used about five times that amount.
powerforward
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bump, this is interesting.
VballPlayer
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Quadsweep said:
I am in my 30's too and the only thing I was worried about was if Fonzy was going to make the jump in Arnold's Parking lot or if Horseshak was going to get to smart to be a Sweathog. I was only 2 when the 70's started and although I did see Pumping Iron I did not think about taking roids until the 90's.
This thread is more for guys in their mid 40's, unless someone who is 39 started juicing at 16 then this would apply.
Realgains said:I got the following from Nelson Montana and he has a good grasp of the past.
Arnold reportly liked 600 of primo/wk and 50 of d-bol/day
Mike Mentzer used Test 400 and 25 of d-bol......and I know he used 400 of deca and 20 of d-bol too.
Sergio used 200 of deca/week and 20 of winny/day
Frank Zane used 100 of deca and 100 of primo with some thyroid at times
Larry Scott used 10 of d-bol way back in the 60's
Draper used 25 of winstrol way back in the late 60's early 70's
All these guys looked fantastic to me and actually better than the pro'd today for the most part and take a look at the low doses!!
I thought I was a low dose man but even I have been caught up in the more is better crap.......that has now changed for good!
Best of luck and lets rely on proper bodybuilding and less on steroids....like the champs of old......besides its better for the health. And who here besides Quadsweep "The Voice of Reason" is almost a pro?
As a side Quad uses very little gear compaired to most top competitors and even many on this board.
Do you know what is really sick???????....Many pro female today use more than the pro men of the 60's and 70's!!
RG
You know this is the first list like this that I actually believe may be accurate. The reason I say this is that I had a conversation with an old time lifter (purposely vague, not well known guy but very knowledgeable) who was close enough to Larry Scott to know his dosages. He told me that Larry was one of the first guys to really push the dosage out beyond anyone else. This is the only list where Larry's dosages actually stick out.
Also I find it interesting that these guys take far less than the average newb yet maintained physiques that would put most seasoned juicers to shame even at 1/10th the dose. Again I question the need for first cycles at 1 gram with 3 drugs.
S
slobberknocker
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I know a powerlifter who juiced in the late seventies-early eighties. He said he used 20mg dbol and 20mg anavar. He was 292 and deadlifted over 700 lbs.
This is one area where I believe Dan was off base. But even the fact that 600 was considered "hardcore" tells you something. It is!!! Today, guys are using bazookas to go rabbit hunting.
As far as mex gear. Well, you all know what happened when Dan suggested his girlfriend get calve inplants in Mexico to save some money, don't you?
As far as mex gear. Well, you all know what happened when Dan suggested his girlfriend get calve inplants in Mexico to save some money, don't you?
Texas Ranger
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Yeah, I remember reading Dan Duchaine's First Cycle article. He never got to finish it because he passed away soon after writing it. He suggested 600mgs of "Mexican" Test a week was enough to see extraordinary growth. No Dbol! No Deca! Or EQ! For the most part he was correct. I'd recommend 400-500mgs of European Test, though.
I'm in my late 30's and never touched steroids until two years ago, except for when I was 19 - my doctor prescribed me pink Winstrol tabs when I complained I couldn't gain weight. That is back when it was legal. I was the typical 19-year-old kid that "thought" that I was serious, but really was more interested in looking buff for the girls (at my then 145lb. body, hehe), than I was in being serious about diet, lifting, etc. I was in the gym working out hard, but not following a serious diet.
Anyways, he prescribed me 5 mg. tabs, one per day, and I took half, which is only 2.5mg - I don't remember how much weight I gained, but I think it was around 8 lbs in 6 weeks, and my little muscles were full and shredded. Like many teens, I got distracted, quite lifting for a few years, and never did another cycle until 2 yrs. ago. I have now done 5 cycles in two years, and feel I am at the maturity level and seriousness to make efficient use of the gain-danger trade-off.
By the way, do any of you guys remember the old Ironman magazines? They were from the 70's and a bit before my time, but I loved those magazines that my big brother read. They were about little, about 5" x 8", black and white inside, stapled spine. Great articles, hardcore discussions, and none of the stupid hype, cool-guy bullshit articles, or fake-tit almost naked 20 page spreads of the girls. Nothing against beautiful babes, but this is bodybuilding and training -I'll buy a porn if I want that garbage. The whole bodybuilding scene has become this cheezy glitz stuff. The old days demanded respect. Now I feel like I'm reading a comic book when I open a Muscular Development mag.
Anyways, he prescribed me 5 mg. tabs, one per day, and I took half, which is only 2.5mg - I don't remember how much weight I gained, but I think it was around 8 lbs in 6 weeks, and my little muscles were full and shredded. Like many teens, I got distracted, quite lifting for a few years, and never did another cycle until 2 yrs. ago. I have now done 5 cycles in two years, and feel I am at the maturity level and seriousness to make efficient use of the gain-danger trade-off.
By the way, do any of you guys remember the old Ironman magazines? They were from the 70's and a bit before my time, but I loved those magazines that my big brother read. They were about little, about 5" x 8", black and white inside, stapled spine. Great articles, hardcore discussions, and none of the stupid hype, cool-guy bullshit articles, or fake-tit almost naked 20 page spreads of the girls. Nothing against beautiful babes, but this is bodybuilding and training -I'll buy a porn if I want that garbage. The whole bodybuilding scene has become this cheezy glitz stuff. The old days demanded respect. Now I feel like I'm reading a comic book when I open a Muscular Development mag.
Texas Ranger
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Imagine what type of physiques low to moderate amounts of gear produced. Arnold, Sergio, Zane, and the list goes on!! We have some Vets recommending over 1 gram of gear to newbies. I hate to say it, but they ain't Arnold!!! If the Gear is real, moderate doses are the way to go.
Taomaster said:
Ya I remember the old IRON MAN. It was put out by the late great Perry Rader. It was the best magazine I have ever read on bodybuilding and lifting in general.
The pro's of the 70's that were often featued in the mag by the time I started reading it looked better than the pro's today for sure. Arnold was Sergio were the biggest of the day and its great that they acheived that developement with modest doses of gear.
I can remember a few years back when Arnold made some comments that were published in regard to the insane roid use of todays pro's and the size at any cost mentality.... and he thought it was nuts .
RG
Christianlifter
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Good Stuff..I dont remember the 70s but the thing I remember most about the 80s is it cost a lot more $..of course I live in SD now
good post.
God Bless
good post.
God Bless
fallenangel
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I do remember reading that Larry scott took 10mg of dbol a day though, i wonder how the first mr olympia's gear usage compares to the current mr olympia's usage
On a side note if you were to say that you were taking a first cycle and then say it was 200mg deca a week and 25mg of dbol you'd be told universally (or almost) thats not enough even for a newbie but these guys where pro's only twenty or thirty years ago and did these dosages
On a side note if you were to say that you were taking a first cycle and then say it was 200mg deca a week and 25mg of dbol you'd be told universally (or almost) thats not enough even for a newbie but these guys where pro's only twenty or thirty years ago and did these dosages
fallenangel said:
Yes but there are a few vets on this board in their 40's and 50's that always say that is enough.
The pro's of the past used roids more as a supplement to sound training, diet and rest. Now I think a sound bodybuilding lifestyle is used as a supplement for steroid use.
From what I read the pro's of the 70's were more concerned about the sides of roids on average, even though a lot of studies were not yet available. The were really concerned about bloat and the soft watery look and the fat gain from using aromatizing gear....from what I can remember this look wasn't even acceptable in the off season by most.
(BTW please no one post that some fat gain with a high blood estrogen level is a myth..true it IS possible to not gain fat but very rare and happens only with the genetically gifted on a moderate caloric intake.)
RG
