Calling All Fina Experts!!!!!!!!!

[lawnsaver]

Calling All Fina Experts!!!!!!!!!
I was reading a thread by JBolman the other day. He was using prop as his sterile oil medium. I thought about doing this in the past but never tried it.

I want to take 40cc's of 50mg prop and use it in the conversion of my finaplix. 1 cartridge broken down and incorporated into the prop. What I'm looking for is 1cc equalling 50mg each of fina and prop.

Is this possible? I dont think 100mg of gear would over saturate the cotton seed oil in the prop.

Whats the final word on this??

 

[Zyglamail]

If you talking about just adding trn to existing prop, it wont suspend. If you want to suspend the tren in say some BA and then add it to the prop it should work, but will likely be painfull do to the BA to oil ratio.

 

[lawnsaver]

If I added some BB to the BA, would lessen the sting??

 

[Zyglamail]

Sorry, what do ya mean by adding "BB"?

 

[lawnsaver]

Benzoil benzoate...I think that is what i read on another thread...The fina thread in which the user used a centrifuge to mix his fina.

 

[Zyglamail]

Sorry, im not very familiar with Benzoil benzoate, maybe fonz or someone will chime in and be able to answer it for you.

 

[Ash345]

use a kit

Use a kit to convert the fina, but instead of the oil that comes with the kit use the prop.. If you have a 5gF kit it will produce approx. 75ml so use approx. 85-95ml of prop (50mg/ml) and mix it with the crushed pellets and "magic solution" mixture. This will yield approx. 50mg of prop and 50mg of tren.

 

[acid_doctor]

Can anybody tell me what benefit this would have stictly from a stacking standpoint? IP makes a 40mg fina/40mg prop formulation but I haven't been able to understand why you would want prop in your fina. Wouldn't it just cut the fina with a weaker AS that aromatizes? Help me understand the reasoning behind this stack.

 

[saint808]

Can anybody tell me what benefit this would have stictly from a stacking standpoint? IP makes a 40mg fina/40mg prop formulation but I haven't been able to understand why you would want prop in your fina. Wouldn't it just cut the fina with a weaker AS that aromatizes? Help me understand the reasoning behind this stack.

personally... i would never use any Inferior Products. However people stack prop and fina because of the short esters... if you are injecting fina ED or EOD, why not ad a test that needs to be injected EOD or so as well. (the short answer)

 

[acid_doctor]

I guess the short answer still doesn't make sense to me. Wouldn't you get more effect and less side effects by just using 80mg fina instead of 40 fina and 40 prop?

Also, I have read at multiple sites that IP products always test out at higher than advertised dosages. Apparently there is something about IP I have missed. Can you elaborate?

 

[saint808]

I guess the short answer still doesn't make sense to me. Wouldn't you get more effect and less side effects by just using 80mg fina instead of 40 fina and 40 prop?

Also, I have read at multiple sites that IP products always test out at higher than advertised dosages. Apparently there is something about IP I have missed. Can you elaborate?

actually 40mg ED is a pretty low dose... doing my first now and using 75 mg ED... i dunno what the hell he was thinking when he put that together.

 

[acid_doctor]

Me too. I'm doing my first cycle of Fina 75mg per day, which is made from a kit and pellets, and I love it. I can't see any reason to buy premade because this stuff is downright cheap and fun to make. The incredibly painful zit inside my nose today tells me it's working!

 

[lawnsaver]

I want to infuse the fina into the prop because for 1, I lower the amount of oil I'll have to inject if I was to use the 2 seperately. 2, I like using prop with fina, because they have the same injection duration. And 3, Its just cool to have a combo so potent together in 1 shot.

The mixture I'm going for it 50mg/50mg of tren and prop per cc. I'll take 2cc's EOD, with 50mg of winny ED for 6 and 8 weeks respectively. Save your breath telling me to use more! I react well to low doses!!

 

[acid_doctor]

OK. I still contend that the fina, being a testosterone analog with the same half life as prop, is many times stronger (10-50 times stronger according to George) than prop and has less side effects (doesn't aromatize). Therefore you aren't gaining a thing (except bitch tits) by adding a half dose of prop to a half dose of fina. 50 mg of prop is probably equal to 1-5 mg fina. So, in essence, you might as well take somewhere around 51 to 55 mg fina EOD and forget the prop. The strength of the prop is negligable compared to fina. It is barely stonger than the cottonseed oil it comes in.

 

[lawnsaver]

OK. I still contend that the fina, being a testosterone analog with the same half life as prop, is many times stronger (10-50 times stronger according to George) than prop and has less side effects (doesn't aromatize). Therefore you aren't gaining a thing (except bitch tits) by adding a half dose of prop to a half dose of fina. 50 mg of prop is probably equal to 1-5 mg fina. So, in essence, you might as well take somewhere around 51 to 55 mg fina EOD and forget the prop. The strength of the prop is negligable compared to fina. It is barely stonger than the cottonseed oil it comes in.

Huh?? I dont care which one is stronger. I want fmy fina infused into the prop, which gets rid of the oil the kit comes with. This results in lowing the total volume of oil injected per week. And I dont think George was being serious about fina being 10-50X's stronger. Fina is 3 time more androgenic, and 2 times more anabolic. Fina also has a strong ability to shut down the HPTA. Without the addition of test, my sex drive will be gone. And to end this discussion, 300mg of prop shouldnt give 95% of the body-building community gyno. As with with of my cycles, arimidex will be used anyway.

 

[airtyme]

one of the reason for adding prop to the fina solution is that fina can supress your natural testosterone production. SInce testosterone is essential for muscle growth, most people will yield better results by adding testosterone to the cycle while including fina.

I have done two cycles with fina. One with prop and one without. I did have a little bit better gains with the addition of the prop, but the biggest difference was that I did notn lose my sex drive with the prop added, as opposed to fina alone.

But everyone reacts different.

 

[acid_doctor]

airtyme,
Thanks for the excellent answer. I never looked at it that way. It hasn't affected my sex drive but I have been taking Proviron 25mg/d also. I read where Bill Roberts said the only logical drug to stack with fina was test but I wasn't sure why. I don't have any prop but I do have a bunch of cyp. How much cyp would you guys think I should stack with my fina?

 

[lawnsaver]

airtyme,
Thanks for the excellent answer. I never looked at it that way. It hasn't affected my sex drive but I have been taking Proviron 25mg/d also. I read where Bill Roberts said the only logical drug to stack with fina was test but I wasn't sure why. I don't have any prop but I do have a bunch of cyp. How much cyp would you guys think I should stack with my fina?

Air, I'm not sure what you meant. All gear is a darivitive of test. You dont nee to add test to anything. Fina/winny, fina/eq, fina/test will all make you grow. I do believe test should be the backbone of every cycle, but its to suppresses your HPTA. As long as you have enough gear in you, you will grow in some respect.

Acid, 4-600mg of cyp a week would work just fine. I would just just split it up and add it to each of your fina shots.

 

[flipinhuge]

I have been maiking my own Fina for a while now. I am not sure as to how sterile it is but, it works. I use an alcohol to suspend the Tren and then I mix it with olive oil and cook off the alcohol. Whamo, Fina. I crush up the pellets into a dust. Mix in twice as much Denatured Alcohol as my concentration will be. Filter it with coffee filters twce. Mix in 10% more Olive oil then my final concentration. Cook off the Alcohol with a pot of boiling water (double boiler style). I figure I wind up with a 65-70 mg/ml final. I can make it for pennies. If anyone knows that my Liver or Kidneys are going to fall out, it is way past time to let me know.

 

[ryker77]

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73710&highlight=fina+twist

 

[ryker77]

You've got the same ideal that I had last year. Above is the link to my conversion. I still have enough for 4 week of 2xED 1ml shots. I must love pain..

This is what I used. It worked great for me.Fina conversion with a twist! (post #1)

Ok i wanted to combine some prop with fina all in one oil.
I used
two carts of fina 4000mg
46 amps of **'s 50mg/ml prop 2300mg
2.5ml ttokkyo cyp 500mg
A's 4g kit and a 60ml vial

I followed the directions used a glass rod and heat to speed the first stage up. Then I added the prop and cyp. It mixed right in. Filtered it with no problems. Used 5ml of steril oil to flush the filter.
Came out just as clear and clean looking as before.

Cyp was used b/c it was in my goody box. **'s prop amps are kinda overfilled so not sure on total amount of prop between 46-55ml.

Final product:
55ml oil
72mg/ml tren
42-45mg/ml prop
.9mgml cyp