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"n 1943 the Regiment SS-Standarte 'Nordland' and the Finnish Battalion left the Division. Himmler had decided to build a new European volunteer Division and the Scandinavian 'Wiking' units were to be the backbone of the new 11.SS-Freiwilligen-Panzer-Grenadier-Division 'Nordland'."

some 250,000 soldiers from "conquered" countries faught for the waffen SS
volunteer
 
Eringobraugh said:
Excellent thread in my opinion 4ever, very interesting website, I went through alot of it, the fact that most people cant see past their own times and view the world, geopolitics and the history of war in anything more than today and the last two weeks, it becomes pointless to even attempt to discuss issues. It would take many years of reading materiale such as this and a passion for knowing for them to discuss things outside of their ego and understand and learn the world around us.

I really want to smack peeps who make Bush comparisons to Hitler/Stalin. Truely ignorant of historical event
 
In the Wiking Division, as was common with many Divisions, elements were added and removed many times throughout its existance. the Nordland Regiment was removed to help establish another Waffen SS Division, as were elements of the Division that contained Scandinavian members. Also, Narwa, an Estonian unit, was transfered to the Division and then removed in 1944.

In October, 1943, the Division was renamed as a full Panzer Division. In the Summer and Fall of 1943, the Division fought in defensive operations in the Area of Kharkov and the Dnieper River. When the Soviets launched their massive offensive against the German Army Group Center in June, 1944, Wiking was one of many Divisions that was trapped in numerous pockets that were created as the Soviets rushed Westward towards the Reich. Wiking was trapped in the Cherkassy Pockets, and being the only Panzer unit in that pocket, sprearheaded an attempt to break out. At the time, an independant foreign formation, Wallonien, was a part of Wiking. Although the Divisision managed to break out, it lost all it Armor and a great deal of equipment and personnel while doing so.
 
this was the shit the Germans were dealing with while that "sideshow" in Normandy was occuring
 
When Germany attacked France, Guderian made the real Blitzkrieg come true by constantly disobeying orders of his superiors and driving relentlessly as far as his men and tanks could go, wrecking havoc far beyond the expected frontline, cutting communications, taking french staffs as prisoners, who thought that the Germans were still on the western side of the river Meuse and so leaving their own troops without command. The "beheading" of the French units by overrunning their command facilities was crucial for winning the war in the west. The defeat of the French army was not completed by the superiority of the German tank weaponry. Only one of the German tanks, Panzer IV armed with 75mm gun, was a match for the French heavy Char B tank, while Panzer I, Panzer II and Panzer III were greatly inferior and outclassed. There were other reasons, such as that every German tank had a wireless communication system and that Panzers were fast and easy to maintain. They were set in action as whole and independent units and were not attached to the Infantry units. And last but not least, they were on the army-level and below commanded by officers who were often trained or commanded by the creator of the Panzerwaffe himself - Heinz Guderian. After reaching the English Channel, the Panzergruppe Guderian was created and thrusted deep into France, cutting off the giant Maginot Line. Since that time, every unit that served in the Panzergruppe Guderian wore a large 'G' on every tank, truck or motorcycle. Before the invasion of Russia, Guderian was promoted to General-Oberst (Colonel-General, one step to Fieldmarshall) and Commander of the Panzergruppe 2, later Panzer-Army 2. In the first stages of the invasion, Guderian earned the Oak Leaves to the Knights Cross. Because of permanent problems with his superior Fieldmarshal von Kluge, who always tried to stop his drive and because of taking back his units from a dangerous position against orders he was relieved from his command.
 
Guderian's 2nd panzergruppe advanced farther and almost as fast as the US against Iraq
with 40s era equipment
in difficult terrain
and against considerable opposition
 
"The 'Wiking' Division had been a special division in several ways. First of all, they were one of the best Waffen-SS divisions in the war that proved to be a deadly obstacle for many Red Army Divisions even when they were in retreat. The multinational composition was another aspect that made 'Wiking' such a special unit, making it living proof that many different nationalities could serve effectively within one combat unit."
 
4everhung said:
" Everyone who visits this place and has a few minutes to think comes to the same feeling, they start losing faith in people."
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