Bulking...lack of fat gain? Par Deus? Anyone?

[Par Deus]

bump wanna hear par deus on massive eating

I have not actually read it, however, I have had it described to me and parts of it make a bit of sense -- i.e. due to the lack of de novo lipogenesis observed with carbohydrate overfeeding, one could take in excess calories, thus increasing leptin (which will bring all of the other anabolic hormones with it) and insulin without initially having much of it turned to fat (and the diet keeps fat -- all of which will be stored as fat -- low during this period).

However, de novo lipogenesis is known to upregulate with prolonged overfeeding, so it is quite possible that the carbs would start being converted to fat at a high efficiency. I do not know the details of this well enough to give an authoratative answer (though if I had to say one way or another, I would say it would soon result in fat gain), but Lyle McDonald does, and he has stated that the diet is stupid, or something along those lines.

The only people I have heard from who tried it got fat.

ParDeus
www.avantlabs.com

 

[=w=]

What do you think of just not combining fat and carbs in the same meals (or keeping them to a minimum in eachothers presence (pro/fat meals pro/carb meals)). Would this part of it make sense and possibly minimize fat gain if you were just to invrease calories above maintanance at a normal bulking level rather then the enormous surplus described in the article? Thanks

 

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thanks for the reply par, some k for yah

 

[Par Deus]

What do you think of just not combining fat and carbs in the same meals (or keeping them to a minimum in eachothers presence (pro/fat meals pro/carb meals)). Would this part of it make sense and possibly minimize fat gain if you were just to invrease calories above maintanance at a normal bulking level rather then the enormous surplus described in the article? Thanks

It would likely delay the upregulation of de novo lipogenesis, but I think it would still happen eventually. As Lyle says, our bodies are smarter than we are.

ParDeus
www.avantlabs.com

 

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well im one smart mofo so my body has to be a friggin genius

to bad my body still cant convince a chick to sleep with it must be all the brains :-( i need more bran then brains

 

[TheShit]

Massive Eating

I am currently on the massive eating diet righ now. So far I have gained 16 lbs in 10 weeks. i have put on some fat but not much really. I have gained a little over an inch in my waist line and lost some definition in my abs, but I have never done a bulking diet where I didn't put on some level of fat. I am pretty happy with the results right now. i have gone from 168 to 184. My goal is 190. My current calorie intake in 4500 per day and my ratio is 40/30/30 c/p/f. My chest shoulders and arms are growing like crazy! and I am doing this all natural.