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Wondering about the caloric value of this process...

If I went to Burger King and ate a big fat daddy whopper, fries, small onion ring, nestle chocolate chip cookie and slurped it all down with a large chocolate shake with a splash of extra chocolate....we're talking what...roughly 9200 calories?

So, if I ralphed it all up right after....are the calories still staying with me or is it a calorie in vs calorie out ordeal??
 
habitualhealth said:
Wondering about the caloric value of this process...

If I went to Burger King and ate a big fat daddy whopper, fries, small onion ring, nestle chocolate chip cookie and slurped it all down with a large chocolate shake with a splash of extra chocolate....we're talking what...roughly 9200 calories?

So, if I ralphed it all up right after....are the calories still staying with me or is it a calorie in vs calorie out ordeal??
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habitualhealth said:
Wondering about the caloric value of this process...

If I went to Burger King and ate a big fat daddy whopper, fries, small onion ring, nestle chocolate chip cookie and slurped it all down with a large chocolate shake with a splash of extra chocolate....we're talking what...roughly 9200 calories?

So, if I ralphed it all up right after....are the calories still staying with me or is it a calorie in vs calorie out ordeal??
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If you can eat all that BULLSHIT I'll pay for it!
 
habitualhealth said:
JS-wth is a FIFO?


Frisky-you want me anyway you can get me huh? :qt: (that's gross)


and other guy- The mere thought of eating all of that made my tum knot up. However, what i would do for a chocolate milkshake....holy moly. But I'll still let you come pay for my food. ;)
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DEAL! ;)
 
Ok so there was some surrusness behind this thread. Have a friend of mine...and no, not "friend"...she just embarked on this whole binge and purge ordeal. It's breaking my heart. (yes, you asses I have one of those) But it never occurred to me to think about the caloric value of bulimia until now. She's like 5'3ish 95-100lbs soaking wet and suddenly thinks she's fat. After thinking about it...I wondered if the calories stayed in the system tho the food didn't.


Me bench pressing her after she said that didn't even help. :rolleyes:
 
lmao @ the mentioning of a FIFO stack in a bullimia thread.

That is the FUNNIEST thing I have read in this site since Nov 04

(and you missed HH, shame on you)
 
I'm not sure. Your stomach does very little digestion. That's where the begining of protein digestion takes place but fats and carbs aren't really absobed until they're in the duodenum. When you're purging you're purging your stomach only and not your small intestine.

But as someone who's dealt with that for a long time I can tell you it would hurt to throw up that much food. You'd have to really fill up on liquids to even get it up because all that bread makes it hard. The shake would be on top. Even a half hour later it would still come up cold. Ice cream is the easiest thing to throw up.

With something like bread it tends to sink to the bottom of the stomach and ball up. It hurts like hell to force it up. It's VERY easy to break blood vessels in and around your eyes doing that. A lot of times to get that much up from forced purging it could be a 20-30 minute struggle and usually makes your tummy bleed.

I'm not sure how much you'd absorb though for cals. What I used to do to cut cals back in the day when I wanted a calorie reduction without having to up everything was to drink probably 20ish oz of water 15-20 minutes post eating. Then just throw up the liquid layer. Repeat. You throw up massive amounts of grease that way. But I suppose you have to be able have control when you're only throwing up layers and you have to know just from experience where things end up and what will come up first.

If you've had lettuce or something though that would be on top of the grease if you were doing the "fat skim" thing. Oh, and it's HORRIBLE to throw up ground beef when you're doing it on your own. It's texturally dreadful and it gets in your nose.

Best post ever.
 
Go online and they have a nutrional fact sheet of all there food items. If you ate a double burger with everything on it (not including bacon or cheese) or looking at like 1200 caloires atleast.

just go to google and type in bk nutrional facts and you'll see it.

i bet bk burger add some b-kareful rump to the ol behind.
 
Oh, and chocolate is HORRIBLE coming up. It's super bitter and it breaks down kind of "piecey". Unless it's chocolate ice cream. :)
 
Raina said:
I'm not sure. Your stomach does very little digestion. That's where the begining of protein digestion takes place but fats and carbs aren't really absobed until they're in the duodenum. When you're purging you're purging your stomach only and not your small intestine.

But as someone who's dealt with that for a long time I can tell you it would hurt to throw up that much food. You'd have to really fill up on liquids to even get it up because all that bread makes it hard. The shake would be on top. Even a half hour later it would still come up cold. Ice cream is the easiest thing to throw up.

With something like bread it tends to sink to the bottom of the stomach and ball up. It hurts like hell to force it up. It's VERY easy to break blood vessels in and around your eyes doing that. A lot of times to get that much up from forced purging it could be a 20-30 minute struggle and usually makes your tummy bleed.

I'm not sure how much you'd absorb though for cals. What I used to do to cut cals back in the day when I wanted a calorie reduction without having to up everything was to drink probably 20ish oz of water 15-20 minutes post eating. Then just throw up the liquid layer. Repeat. You throw up massive amounts of grease that way. But I suppose you have to be able have control when you're only throwing up layers and you have to know just from experience where things end up and what will come up first.

If you've had lettuce or something though that would be on top of the grease if you were doing the "fat skim" thing. Oh, and it's HORRIBLE to throw up ground beef when you're doing it on your own. It's texturally dreadful and it gets in your nose.

Best post ever.
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Wow, very informative. lol @ "best post ever". Agreed.


Although, i do wonder about this statement "Oh, and it's HORRIBLE to throw up ground beef when you're doing it on your own." To make light of a serious subject.....do bulimics flock in groups?
 
Nobody else can fix your friend either. No amount of telling her she's not fat will help because it has nothing to do with weight. It has to do with wanting to feel in control. It sounds backwards. Nobody seems to get it unless it's part of their life. When she "feels fat" it's not about fat. She's thinking "fat" because she can control that. She can change that. But "feel fat" more likely means feel confused, hurt, frustrated, out of control, sad, depressed, lonely.

There a crazy voice in your head that promises everything will be better once you drop to X weight or X size. You throw yourself 100% into it and feel so proud that you're so good at being so sick. You're so strong you're fighting your body and winning. But the number is never low enough. You hit your "goal", you still have all the same hurt and frustration and insecurity. The voice gives you a new goal.

I've resigned myself to the fact that the voice never goes away. Every time I eat (which is constantly) I feel guilty. I have since I was little. I can't tell you how often I still cry sometimes when I have pizza or something. Even if I'm not though I'm feeling guilty about it for hours or even days.

What's reallllly hard though is when I cheat when I'm eating clean. You just want to reverse your moment of weakness. It's a slippery slope. I do better more days than I don't. It's one of the only things in my life I lie about because it upsets people who care about me so much.
 
I've heard ofyoung girls engaging in ed behavior together. I was always very private about it. Most bulemics maintain a normal weight though. I did from age maybe 11/12-18 when I lived at home but when I moved out of state I got out of control.

The summer before I let it get really bad I went from 5'7 135 down to about 120 when I was home. As soon as I was at school it was 110. Then 100. I went home at thanksgiving and my family freaked out. A lot of bad stuff happened. 95. 90. I can't begin to tell you how fucked up I was. All I did was sleep. I got sick 8-12 times a day. I wasn't bulemic though. I was anorexic purging subtype.

I was always private about it though and insisted nothing was wrong. Things got worse, I was 90 pounds, tried to kill myself, got hospitalized, family brought me home. I went up to 115. I was still getting sick though and lying and lying and lying.
 
Raina said:
Nobody else can fix your friend either. No amount of telling her she's not fat will help because it has nothing to do with weight. It has to do with wanting to feel in control. It sounds backwards. Nobody seems to get it unless it's part of their life. When she "feels fat" it's not about fat. She's thinking "fat" because she can control that. She can change that. But "feel fat" more likely means feel confused, hurt, frustrated, out of control, sad, depressed, lonely.

There a crazy voice in your head that promises everything will be better once you drop to X weight or X size. You throw yourself 100% into it and feel so proud that you're so good at being so sick. You're so strong you're fighting your body and winning. But the number is never low enough. You hit your "goal", you still have all the same hurt and frustration and insecurity. The voice gives you a new goal.

I've resigned myself to the fact that the voice never goes away. Every time I eat (which is constantly) I feel guilty. I have since I was little. I can't tell you how often I still cry sometimes when I have pizza or something. Even if I'm not though I'm feeling guilty about it for hours or even days.

What's reallllly hard though is when I cheat when I'm eating clean. You just want to reverse your moment of weakness. It's a slippery slope. I do better more days than I don't. It's one of the only things in my life I lie about because it upsets people who care about me so much.
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First off, you know you're gorgeous. And if you don't, lemme start another thread for you...we'll poll up on it. ;) I can certainly understand the voices that you hear constantly. Mine have always been those of others who have at some point degraded what I look like or the extra "jiggle" on my ass or what have you in my younger days.

What was it in your life that made you realize you were beautiful the way you are now....and that your life wasn't worth risking?? Just will power? Or breaking away from negativity (be it, people, surroundings, habits?)

I know more than anyone that there isn't anything I can say to change her mind. However, it seems as though she reaches out to me maybe because she's looking for strength that she alone doesn't have? For one, she's 1 of 3 REAL girlfriends I have...so I kinda feel like I'm tippy toeing around her with the situation.

It sucks because it seems like the only thing I really have to offer her is just being there. I HATE feeling helpless. :(
 
my twin sister has bullimia and anorexia.. kills me and hurts me.

She actually tells me i make her feel like puking:(

Great thread
 
we're identical.. except i don't have body issues

she's a walking bone rack

Only reason she stopped doing it as a habit is because i told her if she didnt.. i would start (i wouldnt)

I think she just hides it better now
habitualhealth said:
wow. :(
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I don't need anyone to tell me I'm thin or pretty or anything else because ultimately if I (or anyone) can't believe that for themselves what anyone else says is meaningless.

What changed it? Well I still deal with it. Every day. I used to be really angry that it didn't just stop but therapy helped me with that. The strange thing is that if I could take a pill and shut that part of my mind off I wouldn't. It's weird but even though it's something I fight every day, it's something I still cling to on some level. The monster I fight every day but when I'm a mess I go right back to it and play another round.

I'm up 10 pounds right now. Over the summer the stress in my life dropped me from 135 to 118. I still get sick sometimes but not often. I'm more likely to just not eat than to get sick anyhow. I've always had the backwards thought that it takes more control to be anorexic than to just slip up and "fix" the problem. Right now I'm seeing a therapist again and I'm heavily medded up.

It has NOTHING to do with weigh. Nothing at all. It's not about fat. It's about feeling in control of the only thing you can feel in control about. It's hard to explain but it's a quick fix. It makes everything else stop for a while and you feel really pleased with yourself. Til the guilt kicks in. Cycle. It's a pain.

Early therapy helped me identify my triggers. The things and situations that tend to make me engage in counterproductive behavior. There are people and situations I avoid because I know my limits.

Of course she hides it HH. If anyone starts up with lectures and condemnation and threats it means it's time to lie. When someone shares that kind of thing with you it's not to get a lecture it's more to vent to someone they trust.
 
My sister told her doctor.. she is a aprt time bullimic/ anorexic.. the doctor didnt know what to say:(
 
I'm not too educated on this whole issue, but are these sort of conditions really common? Like, are alot of the girls I see that are thin, is it just their genetics causing them to look like that or do they all have a practice in puking as well?
 
*MissFit* said:
My sister told her doctor.. she is a aprt time bullimic/ anorexic.. the doctor didnt know what to say:(
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Maybe now that you are moving out of your sisters...You can spend your time with her at the gym, or showing her how healthy and good you can look by eating RIGHT.
 
Most dr's don't. Ideally she can meet up with a therapist at some time who has either dealt with eating disorders herself or works with a lot of clients who have them. The eating disorder stuff is more a symptom of a deeper problem.
 
I don't think it's genetic. But I've been like this all my life. The other thing that A LOT of people with ED's do is self harm. They're WAY more private about that though. I think there's more of a stigma about it. It makes you feel crazy. That's another thing I've done since I was little. I just hid it well.

One of my arms is all scarred up. It's the same mindset-- a quick fix that distracts you from what you don't know how to deal with. I think there's infinitely more lying about and hiding that though. It makes you feel like a total freak. :(
 
she goes but does 1.5 hrs od cardio.. and a different gym
awittyusername said:
Maybe now that you are moving out of your sisters...You can spend your time with her at the gym, or showing her how healthy and good you can look by eating RIGHT.
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Wow. What drives girls to do these things? Just insecurities and attempts to conform to the female ideal or what?
 
Raina said:
I don't need anyone to tell me I'm thin or pretty or anything else because ultimately if I (or anyone) can't believe that for themselves what anyone else says is meaningless.


Early therapy helped me identify my triggers. The things and situations that tend to make me engage in counterproductive behavior. There are people and situations I avoid because I know my limits.

Of course she hides it HH. If anyone starts up with lectures and condemnation and threats it means it's time to lie. When someone shares that kind of thing with you it's not to get a lecture it's more to vent to someone they trust.
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That's just it with me though. She'll do it when I'm there. :( She talks to me about it and tells me how horrible she feels etc etc. That's why I say I feel helpless. For some reason she HAS told me. I just wish I knew what I could do to offer what she needed.
 
It's also part of perfectionism. Extreme perfectionism. Never being able to do things perfect enough and punishing yourself for not being as perfect as you think you're supposed to be. I think part of that was me but my family didn't help with their extremely high expectations and massive amounts of pressure on me all the time (getting yelled at for an A-).

I remember when I was about 8 I was sobbing and telling them I was sorry I couldn't be perfect enough for them. They always said I didn't need to be perfect. Actions speak louder than words.
 
Raina, regardless of how tough it was growing up and any complications you may have had, based on just what I see on the net, you've definitely molded into someone very admirable.
 
These girls should just take it easy on themselves, its actually kinda sad the more that I think about it.
 
I think it's fair for you to say "look, I know you do this and I love you but I can't handle you doing that when I'm here, have enough respect for me to not do that when I'm here".

Honestly the message boards on www.sfwed.org probably saved my life. Guide her that way. It'll make her think about things in a different way and focus on issues instead of numbers. It's also healing to not feel so alone.
 
I'm me and all of that is a part of me. I'd rather be honest about it because I think doing so and giving people the perspective of someone who's been/is there changes what they might see as a stereotype of "someone like that".
 
Raina said:
I think it's fair for you to say "look, I know you do this and I love you but I can't handle you doing that when I'm here, have enough respect for me to not do that when I'm here".

Honestly the message boards on www.sfwed.org probably saved my life. Guide her that way. It'll make her think about things in a different way and focus on issues instead of numbers. It's also healing to not feel so alone.
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Oh that site is great.

I don't know tho, I kind of feel like if I say that to her....she'll go off the deep end. She's attempted suicide twice in the past year so needless to say she's a bit unstable right now in life. I don't want to be the one that sends the "i do not approve/accept you" message. All in all, we all have selective hearing in life. Especially when we're at our worst. We hear what we "think" we hear or what we want to hear.
 
People don't realize how enbedded things like this in are in ppl...

No further detail required
Raina said:
I'm me and all of that is a part of me. I'd rather be honest about it because I think doing so and giving people the perspective of someone who's been/is there changes what they might see as a stereotype of "someone like that".
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I can't remember not being like this. The difference now is that almost all the time I'm fighting for my body instead of against it. The urges are still there but I'm channeling them into healthy outlets (clean diet/training/healthy coping).
 
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