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This would be my 3rd cycle ever. I want to put on as much keepable mass as possible.

Stats:
6' 170lbs
bf is very low (due to a wonderful metabolism)

Goals:
Primary: Mass/Size
Secondary: Longevity of gains
Tertiary: Strength

My diet is more loose than a lot of you guys. I eat good, but tend to chow down on Woppers and such. I will be getting plenty of protien, though some days I just can't manage to eat get more than 200g (when I tired from studying all night for a damn thermodynamics exam).

Please include when to take clomid and/or andy other "recovery" chemicals.

I allready have an idea of what I think would be a decent cycle, but I am interested to hear what you guys have to say. thus i'm not going to pre-dispose you in any way by telling you what I'm thinking my cycle should look like.
 
EQ- weeks 1-9 @600mgs.
test weeks 1-10 @750mgs.
dbol weeks 1-5 @40mgs/day
test prop weeks 11+12 @ 50-100mgs/day
fina weeks 7-12 @ 75mg ed or eod
winny weeks 7-12 @50mg/day
start clomid at week 13
 
ok u have done two cycles be4... i would suggest this...

week#1-10: 750 mg of test (i would do omnadren or sust, if u do front load the first two weeks)
week#1-10: 400 mg of equipoise
week#1-10: 600 mg of deca
week#1-5: 35 mg of d-ball everyday
start clomid therapy 3 weeks after ur last equipoise shot... take 300 mg the first day and then take 100 mg ed for a week followed by 50 mg a day for another week... make sure to have anti estrogen on hand (arimidex or liquidex preferably)... and eat like a horse!!
 
"when I tired from studying all night for a damn thermodynamics exam"

know exactly how you feel, im chemical engineering major.

cycle:

700mg/test/week
50mg/tren/ed
.25mg arimidex/ed

EAT!!!!!!!!!

P.S. if you want keepable gains, dont bother with dboll or anadrol, oh yeah someone who hase only done 3 cycles does not need 1.5grams of gear per week to maximize gains (despite what the previous posts might suggest)
 
I know I'm definatly going to include test this time around, but since i've never really had the interest in it before, I'm not quite sure what would be best for me. What type of test would you recommend? i heard sustanon is the best all round, for it's time-release. I know I don't want suspension, for it's hard to keep the gains. not sure bout the others. Sorry, but I'm a total newbie when it comes to test.

Serge, you're a chemie? ouch! I feel for ya bro. That is one of the hardest majors here at Tech.
 
The suspension gains are not any harder to keep, you just have to shoot it at least twice a day to keep consistent blood concentration. For you purpose i would go with sustanon, cyp, or enenthate.

Chemie really does suck, but organic chemistry as much of a pain as it was is really paying off right now.
 
I wouldn't recommend Sust/Omna, as it it becomes a guessing game as to when to start your Clomid therapy. Sust/Omna will stay in your system for several weeks after your last injection, and it can keep you from reaping the full benefits from Clomid therapy and fully restoring your natural Test production.

Search for Andy13's post "A comprehensive look at modern AAS cycling." It shows how long Deca (Nadrolone Decanoate) stays in your system after the last shot, Keeping you from getting your natural test levels back up, but it's still not enough blood levels of Nandrolone to reap any serious anabolic effects. Sustanon has more Test Decanoate in it than any other ester, which is the same ester that is in Deca. I would recommend a more moderate ester such as Enanthate, as it will surely be out of your system much faster, and easier to guess as to when to start Clomid therapy.

This is just my opinion.
 
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Badass, you have a good point. But couldn't I just replace the test/deca with some fast acting esters for the last few weeks of my cycle? This way I continue to make gains while the slow esters drain out of my system. Then a few days after the last dose of the quickies, I can start clomid therp.

I'll definatly take that into consideration though, as to maximize recovery...
 
Sustanon 500 mg week 1-10
Deca 300 mg week 1-10
Dbols 25 mg week 1-5
Winstrol 50 mg ED week 6-10
Arimidex 0.25 mg ED week 1-10

Clomids for post cycle. Be sure to have Milk thistle or Tyler liver Detox with you. Good diet (300 g of protein ED) and hard training is the key. Good luck :)
 
By the way, I think I'm probaby gonna through deca in the stack, so stacking that with sus should be a good combo of the long lasting esters, since they both seem to stay in the system for roughly the similair amounts of time.

then I could simply stop those, 2-3 weeks before the end of my cycle, and replace with maybe winny/ana/primo for the last few weeks, no?
 
Ok, how does this look:

Deca------400mg-----weeks 1-8
Sus--------400mg---- weeks 1-8
Dbol-------25mg-------weeks 1-5
Winny----50mg--------weeks 6-11
EQ--------400mg-------weeks 6-11

Clomid (common triangle--300,100,50)-----weeks 12-15

The only things I'm not sure about is the half-life of EQ. If it's small (day or 2 max) , then that should work. Also, I'm not sure how to run the arimidex, or just have it on hand. whatdoyahtink?
 
Audio8 said:
Ok, how does this look:

Deca------400mg-----weeks 1-8
Sus--------400mg---- weeks 1-8
Dbol-------25mg-------weeks 1-5
Winny----50mg--------weeks 6-11
EQ--------400mg-------weeks 6-11

Clomid (common triangle--300,100,50)-----weeks 12-15

The only things I'm not sure about is the half-life of EQ. If it's small (day or 2 max) , then that should work. Also, I'm not sure how to run the arimidex, or just have it on hand. whatdoyahtink?
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sounds good to me. I would run the arimidex for 11 weeks. Dont take any risks.
 
I like ironfists cycle as well. For the test I would use cyp or enth.
 
Audio8 said:
Ok, how does this look:

Deca------400mg-----weeks 1-8
Sus--------400mg---- weeks 1-8
Dbol-------25mg-------weeks 1-5
Winny----50mg--------weeks 6-11
EQ--------400mg-------weeks 6-11

Clomid (common triangle--300,100,50)-----weeks 12-15

The only things I'm not sure about is the half-life of EQ. If it's small (day or 2 max) , then that should work. Also, I'm not sure how to run the arimidex, or just have it on hand. whatdoyahtink?
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Not a bad cycle except that you need to remember that about 4 weeks after your last injection you will have a dead period. So, weeks 12-15 will will not be able to restore your test natural and you won't get the benefit of further growth. That is the reason that the structured my cycle in the way that I did. Everything leaves your system at the same time and you can start clomid. deca should be treated in the same manner as the EQ
 
Run the eq throughout the entire cycle. It normally takes 4-5 weeks to kick in. No need to run it for weeks 6-11. I would drop the deca and run eq throughout. Here is how I would run it


Sus--------750mg---- weeks 1-8
Dbol-------25mg-------weeks 1-5
Winny----50mg--------weeks 6-11
EQ--------400mg-------weeks 1-11
Arimidex or liquidex .5mg every day
clomid 3 weeks after your last shot of eq


You are looking to gain mass. Thus, eq will make you eat like a horse. Best of luck however you decide to run it.


Mike
 
weeks 1-6
long acting test, 700mg/week
deca 400-500mg/week

weeks 7-9
prop, 100mg/ed
tren 50-75mg/ed

clomids right after.
 
Ironfist,
thanks for the clarification on the EQ...In that case, your cycle looks pretty optimal for recovery. I would like to have deca in there though. How bout taking your cycle, lowring the test to 400mg and add deca at 400mg, keeping everything else the same. As odd at it seems, I wouldn't mind having my sex drive decreased then upped with the test. I'd rather keep my mind on other things, as I have a girlfriend. What doses of test and deca would still lower my libido? or is that not possible with test in a ny cycle? I know fina will for the last 2 weeks.
 
not for nothing, but if u arent eating good all the juice in the world wont help, IMO i would do a gram a week of test at least in there, but yet u have done 2 cycles previously and are still 170, post some pics at least so we have an idea........
 
Deppnade said:
not for nothing, but if u arent eating good all the juice in the world wont help, IMO i would do a gram a week of test at least in there, but yet u have done 2 cycles previously and are still 170, post some pics at least so we have an idea........
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holly shit i didnt realize it was his 3rd cycle........ damn it 6' 170 only ? bro, check your diet first...... I also have a pretty fast metabolism but I'm far from being 170. And yes forget about the cycle i proposed. Go hard 750 mg or more of test. EQ 600 mg too.
 
Well I probably should have mentioned that my first 2 cycles wern't all that, too say the least. Cycle one was 5 weeks of Dbol at 25mg and cycle two was a fina only cycle (currently in), thus explaining the 170. So it's not like i don't respond to AS, if that was the first impression.
 
Ash,
I would like to have the deca in there because it stacks well with Dbol, but mostly cause it decreases sex drive. My girlfriend and I are moving into separate apartments now to have a little more independence from each other, so I'd rather keep my mind off getting some luv as I won't be getting much from her.
 
HELP ME POT GUYS THIS IS ALSO MY 3RD CYCLE 5'10 225-230 AND HAVE BEEN TRAINING FOR 7 YRS LOOKING TO PUT MORE MASS ON HELP WITH GOOD CYCLE AND EXPLAIN ARIMIDEX THE BENEFIT OF IT THANKS GUYS WOULD LIKE 260 PLUS
 
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