Buddy having BIG problems PLEASE help

[WeeMan]

Ok I got one of my friends on the whole Tren kick he saw my results and wanted to get some ASAP So I told him where to order and all that made his batch for him and he wnt from 135 or somewhere around there to 170 easy looked like a totally different person shoulders widened neck looked bigger he looked real good he did his clomid and all 300mgs 1st day 100mg for ten days and 50mg for ten more he kept virtually all of his gains for a 3 months. Then he did a small cycle gained like 5lbs did clomid but went back down to 170lbs then (not listening to anyone) went and started another Big cycle 2 1/2 to 3weeks after his small cycle
it lasted 8 weeks (was planning for 10 weeks) didnt Gain a lb but got the sides sweating always acne impotent he girl and I got him to stop his cycle early start clomid therapy Hes been on clomid for 4 days and quit tren 7 days ago he is shrinking man he has lost 5-8lbs and it is VERY noticible he is very upset.

Im thinking I should told him to stay on but add some test to at least get his weight up 5-10lbs THEN stop the roids and start clomid cause you know how you loose a little weight while on clomid it sucks for the guy who does what this guy did didnt gain just lost and is loosing anyways it looks like he has been ver bummed out bout what he did.

QUESTION

Do you think he should pick up the Tren up the dose from 100mg to 120mg and add some Test Prop NOW finish his juice gain a few lbs hopefully then quit and stay the same 170 or maybe a little more?

Im just wondering why he hasnt gained (besides he sarted so soon with not time off) Its like his body quit responding to tren any sugg I really wanna get my boys gains back he was so happy bout them

Heres what his cycles looked like

100mg Tren /ED for 10weeks
Follwed with clomid

Great gains

then

about 3 months later

80mg / ED for 4 weeks

Gained like 5-8lbs maybe
statred clomid the quit
and started another cycle not 3 weeks after his 2nd had to end clomid early to start

this last cycle was 100mg/ED 10wks ended up 8weeks
gained 0lbs

Started clomid 4 days ago and is loosing fast

 

[nautica]

I wouldn't have been using tren by itself anyway. I would at least throw in some winny.

 

[WeeMan]

Yeah BUT I made awsome gains and so did a few of my bros on tren alone and he tried and made awsome awsome gains his first time

WeeMan

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

I second that Nautica.


It sounds like the Tren only cycle was his first ever cycle. It is just like gambling. You go to a casino for the first time and win, you're in trouble. He saw results and went crazy. I'd tell him that he needs to learn more about the way AS works in the body and the side effects it has and that the only way to get gains back is to eat properly, supplement with something that will fill him like creatine, train hard and get off the juice for a while so his receptors can clear. They are probably all fucked up now. He'll likely lose some more size, his dick won't function for a while and he'll be depressed as hell but he needs to come back down to earth a little.

Good luck

 

[nautica]

You always gain more on your first cycle. He probably should have tried to get up to 170 lbs naturally and then did a cycle.

 

[WeeMan]

Enigmaxxx7

You sound right good analogy too. I just feel for the guy he was always so skinny never acted like it bothered him real popular very much with the chicks even at 135 - 140 but when my boy decided he was gonna gets some gains he got big and he probablly did go crazy I just dont wanna tell him u screwed up and shoulda listened He knows he screwed up but yeah it does sound like he needs to stop the juice for awhile. Im just wondering if some other roid may effect him differently and give hime some more gains before going off for a long periond of time.
I know somw people who are on like all the time and consantly up there doses and keep gaining. I guess Im thinking if he can do a little test get gains and quit for several months or more at least hed stay where he was. I dunno again that was a EXCELLENT ANALOGY the more and more I think about it the more it sounds so true

WeeMan

Nautica I know he tried not very hard but the roids got him to his goal weight and he woulda kept it but now i dunno

 

[LONE_AZ]

I would tell him to go on test for six weeks followed by clomid. If he has the money, bridge with 20 mg of anavar ed for 4-5 after. Also I do not know what his own natural test values are but it would not hurt to get some HCG and run it 3-4 weeks in to the test cycle. This should put him back on the right track.

Run test at 750- 1500 a week depending on what kind of results he is looking for .

Back off of the tren.

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

Yep, the AS can be addictive like gambling. Not a physical addiction but a mental one.

Again, in the long run, he will be more pleased if he gets off for a few months before getting back on anything. His results will be better because his receptors will have cleared and his body will react much better to the AS. It's very tempting to keep adding AS. I fight the temptation and normally do one or two cycles a year and my body reacts much better than guys who almost constantly stay on. Plus my boys downstairs are much happier and keep right on performing!!!

 

[jstrong20]

If he went 10 weeks with out gaining a lb than his diet sucks and he should obviously up the calories. You can't tell me he didn't get stronger, leaner, or bigger and still have the proper diet. Even with out gear you should put on weight when bulking. I have a couple of boys that do the same thing.

 

[WeeMan]

J Strong

That was what I first thought so I asked him about his diet it was the same as when he made his gains cept now he added another protien shake in ED. I dunno maybe thats what it is but he gained alot first cyc a little the 2nd and none the 3rd.

WeeMan

 

[Primal X]

I dont think his receptors were downgraded, I would look towards diet and training as the problem.

 

[Golfer18--old]

What about getting him some anavar?

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

One other thought.

He was getting chicks at 140 lbs and then went up to 170 (obviously Solid mass with Tren). He must have been a chick magnet after that. That would have given him plenty of time and opportunity to get HIV and thus result in rapid weight loss. That ought to cheer him up.

I still think he got greedy before letting 2nd cycle finish. He quit Clomid early to start 3rd cycle and that's not good.

 

[jstrong20]

Well if he's going to mope around and be depressed until he gains the weight back. The next thing I would reccomend would be a short cycle maybe four weeks with fast acting compounds and make sure to over shoot his goal by at least 10lbs. because of coarse he's going to lose some when he comes of. I'd recommend suspension 150mgs ed and dbol 50mgs ed for 4 weeks. Of coarse this is unorthodox at best but if your freinds is going to feel all depressed this should be a quick remedy. Also I know these doses are on the high side but it's just a quick fix and hopefully he's learned his lesson and will learn proper cycling next time. Also 2g's of protein per lbs. of bw which I belive is extremley important to take advantage of such High doses.

 

[WeeMan]

Enigmaxxx7

Ha ha, but 4 real I heard so much crap from people that would go out places with him after he gained they said chicks were just all over him all the time. And yeah he is going and getting all depressed I think he is SCARED hes gonna loose it all.

JStrong20 thanks for the rec I think he has learned his lesson, I talked with him a bit ago and he agreed after hes done playing catch up he will do only 1 cycle a year if that.

Also he told everyone he WAS 100% not on even told some of our buds who knew he was on cause they were too. They knew me and 2 of my other freinds were on but he denied it to EVERYONE and now if they see him loose it all LOL that would be a sucky situation for him

Thanks for all the help guys hope we can get him back to where he was maybe a little bigger His goal for 2nd-3rd cycle was to finish out at 180-185 but he will be VERY happy at 170

WeeMan

 

[Maxx Out]

Don't put him on anything high dose. My advice is just to keep him on a maintenance(sp) dose of 200mg test/week for about 6 weeks. This will help him preserve what muscle he has, it'll get his mojo back, and it's just good plain old, feel good test. You don't want him to crash on his ass. DO IT RIGHT!!!

Then wait a good 3 months till you tell him to dtart again.

Maxx >>>>>

 

[nautica]

Sounds to me like you friend needs to work on his self-esteem and not try and get it from a bottle of tren. That could lead to a visious cycle.

Good luck
nautica

 

[genarr3]

Sounds to me like you friend needs to work on his self-esteem and not try and get it from a bottle of tren. That could lead to a visious cycle.

Good luck
nautica

Took the words right out of my mouth. You're boy doesn't need any more gear. From what I'm reading he's headed down a very bad road. Use some common sense.

Enigmaxxx7 Excellent analogy. Only I was thinking someone that smoked crack for the first time. He likes it too much.

 

[WeeMan]

nautica

You maybe right its just so strange cause he always seemed in control never seemed self consiece even though he was skinny he's always had lots of friends and girls and all that and he just doesnt seem to fit the typical low self esteem type person, I dunno it's just weird I have known him along time and never thought that but, the gains he got may have changed his thinking some he acts like he CAN NOT loose his gains and he'll do whatever it takes to keep them. I dunno what to tell him about the self esteem issue Any suggestions on how to go about it???

WeeMan

I have told him that some of you say test for 4-6wks maybe d-bol too and then quit he seemed excited bout it, but man what if when he comes off the test he decides he wants to be bigger cause he likes gains from test??? He says he wont well see

 

[nautica]

Also, a side effect of the juice when coming off is depression. So maybe he did not feel that way before. He needs to realize what he can potentially do to himself. It is sometimes easier to see the picture better when you are not in it.

Nautica

 

[WeeMan]

nautica

I think you got it pegged man I think im gonna go talk to him tonight

thanks bro
WeeMan

 

[nautica]

Good luck