Bruce Lee - Overly hyped?

[Djimbe]

I can't find anything even remotely negative about Bruce Lee in this article. Master Mark is completely respectful in everything that he says. You could even say that he speaks highly of Bruce:

"ME: How long did Bruce Lee train with you?

GFM: About a month. He learned much more than the average person could in that short time, because he was in good condition and had learned similar techniques in other systems that he had studied. Besides that, he was enthusiastic, practiced a lot and had an outstanding aptitude for Kung Fu. Bruce was really impressed by my philosophy of fighting."

Yes , Master Mark is a Polite old man , and Im a Blunt young one . but the content of his speech isnt any different than anything that Ive said . He just says it in a more Positive Tone , thats all .

 

[jhc]

Yes , Master Mark is a Polite old man , and Im a Blunt young one . but the content of his speech isnt any different than anything that Ive said . He just says it in a more Positive Tone , thats all .

Sorry, but I really don't get that impression from the article at all. I think you're seeing what you want to see.

 

[MikeMartial]

Sorry, but I really don't get that impression from the article at all. I think you're seeing what you want to see.

I'd have to agree; I read, and re-read the article. While Master Mark and Bruce seems to have different views on various subjects, I can find no negativity towards Bruce as a martial artist. Like Jhc said, he even speaks highly of him.

Interesting interview, nonetheless.

 

[Djimbe]

*sigh* and Im not being "Negative" to the TRUTH of what bruce was , either , THAT is my point . He was a Talented beginner that had a LOT of wasted Potential . The FACTS in the article that are Pertinent is the fact that even though he was supposedly pout there creating his own "Super Style" at the time he couldnt beat an 11 month student from a REAL Teacher of a REAL system that was put togehter and well Integrated by ppl that know what theyre doing . Even though he had actually had TWICE as much training time under a teacher considered of Equal , if not GREATER Talents than Sifu Mark .

ME: Was Bruce Lee impressed watching your students practice?

GFM: I don't think so. Not many people have seen or understand this rare system. The power in the techniques is hidden. Bruce remarked on the similarity between Praying Mantis and Wing Chun. He wanted to have a match with one of my students, to which I readily agreed.

ME: What happened?

GFM: Neither Bruce nor my student could gain an advantage; it was a draw. Bruce asked me how long the student had studied. I replied about a year. Then, I demonstrated some advanced techniques and weapons. I asked him if he would like to try my hands. He declined, out of respect, and said he was interested in studying with me.

The article CLEARLY Points out that Bruce's LEVEL is that of a First Year Student , NOT that of a "Master" that should be Inventing his own system .

You guys are focused too much on weather you think I "Like" or "Dislike" Bruce Lee as a person - I never even met the guy - I dislike the LIES about what he was as a Martial Artist , and THAT is what Im being Negative about . I know Master Mark as a real , Breathing Human Being , so OF COURSE the way that I speak of HIM is going to be coloured by the Fact that hes a Charming , Impish little Devil with a magnetic Personality . With Bruce , I cant be Swayed by his Personality or Charm , Ive never Experienced either thing from him . All I know is that AS A MARTIAL ARTIST he was NOT "All That And A Bag Of Chips" , so to Speak . I mean , for Christ sake if I told MOST of the MMA guys on this board that they would be in a Match with a 1st year Praying Mantis student they would laugh out lout and thank me for the Tomato can ! But sayu "BROOSE WEEE !!!" and somehow that makes the 1st year Praying Mantis Student level somethign Godly ?

THINK IT THROUGH .

 

[CrazyK]

djimbe, quit pulling articles out of your ass and posting them as fact. Anyone can write an article saying they beat up this guy or tied this guy. It doesn't CLEARLY point out anything except that some fag somewhere made up a lie about tieing Bruce Lee in an attempt to gain respect.

Obviously you are supremely bias towards kung fu, all those years of training that you did with it only to realize that it is garbage. I went and tried the praying mantis kung fu style you pointed me too, and that was the biggest waste of time I've ever encountered. I was learning how to focus my inner chi, and get in to a "combat stance" that just asks to get my shin broken by a thai kick, or get taken down by a single leg.

 

[Djimbe]

wow , dude , you certainly live up to your Username .

So , you went to ONE lesson , decided you knew how the entire system worked together Integratedly , and decided you could beat everyone in the room with a "Thai Kick" - even though theres no such THING as a "Thai Kick" theres Roundhouse kicks , and pretty much everyone does them the same way . Did you Spar with any of the ppl there , or did you just let your Bias run you out the door before putting your ass where your mouth is ? Did you TRY to Single Leg the instructor or one of the Senior students ? Did you actually Run Drills on these Halfassed assumptions of yours ? I mean , You know I can just call and Find out , right ? And before you spout crap out of your mouth again about MY "Kung Fu" Being worthless , I have an Open Door Policy , my man , and youre welcome to come out any day and try to Roundhouse or Single Leg me to Death at your Leisure ... and you can not only find out how we deal with those Techniques , but what "Kung Fu" , as you put it , is "Worth" .

As far as your First Paragraph goes , well , Bruce acknowledged his timew with Master Mark publicly on several Occasions . Do your Resaearch b4 you accuse ppl of "Pulling Stuff Out Of Their Asses" ESPECIALLY when your Posting REEKS of doing JUST that yourself .

You are , in short , a Biased Fanboi that has NO Idea of what it is you are denegrating .

 

[CrazyK]

First of all I took about 3 weeks of the stuff before I let go of it. I was really trying to find a reason for doing what they were doing and just could not find a meaning to the madness. There was no sparring involved in the class, so none was to be found. Far too common with most CMA because Kung Fu is for the street and is too d3ad7y to spar with *lol*

Just because he acknowledged training with Burce does not mean that Bruce tied a first year student, or that you are not pulling that out of your ass, or he isn't pulling it out of his. I trained in Royce Gracies gym one time in Torrance, CA. I then claim that I tied Royce Gracie when I rolled with him, and because I trained with him that makes my statement 100% fact.*lol*

Please use logic before spewing this newbie kung fu BS again.

 

[Djimbe]

First of all I took about 3 weeks of the stuff before I let go of it. I was really trying to find a reason for doing what they were doing and just could not find a meaning to the madness. There was no sparring involved in the class, so none was to be found. Far too common with most CMA because Kung Fu is for the street and is too d3ad7y to spar with *lol*

Well , good to know , So what yorue saying is that the place went McDojo , and they dont Spar there any more . I wont Reccomend it again if that is the case . You see THAT is actual COMMUNICATION and presents someone with a real greviance that can be dealt with . You see , thats why I made RECCOMENDATIONS , and MORE THAN ONE - you should be able to find out if they spar , etc , and come back and say "Hey Djimbe , they went McDojo , aheres what happened when I went there ..." in the stead of acting like an ASS . Im sorry that you had that experience , but you should have said something earlier , and probably a bit more Politely . And again , if you think I/mine cant spar , youre always welcome .

Just because he acknowledged training with Burce does not mean that Bruce tied a first year student, or that you are not pulling that out of your ass, or he isn't pulling it out of his. I trained in Royce Gracies gym one time in Torrance, CA. I then claim that I tied Royce Gracie when I rolled with him, and because I trained with him that makes my statement 100% fact.*lol*

Please use logic before spewing this newbie kung fu BS again.

Your Illogic is worse than what you accuse me of . Youre flailing about with the Accusation that someone VERY well Respected in the MA community is a Liar and has need to Make up stories about a Newbie . Judo Gene LeBelle talks about Carrying Bruce about the Set of a Film like a baby over his shoulder all the while Bruce was threatening to kill him . Is HE lying ? No ? Why , because HE does JUDO and Mark does Praying Mantis ?

Your predjudices expose you too easily .

 

[CrazyK]

No they both are lieing or exaggeratting most likely. Just because you are respected in your little hole in the wall doesn't mean they wouldn't make up a lie to gain respect from others. Hitler was also a very respected man at one time.

 

[Djimbe]

okay , thats like one of the Cardinal Rules of the Internet . The second you compare ANYONE to HITLER you lose all credibility in your argument .