im telling ya ive had randome joint pains for years and the only thing that works really well is ibprofen.. i kinda stumbled Across it while using a eca stack now instead i do a ecI stack and it works great!!!! just try it out take some aleve (neproxin sodium) or advil (ibprofen) their usally 200mg per tab so id start out with the std dose of 400 and see if you have any luck... ive been doing this for a few months now and i can lift without it.. it makes that much of a difference (for me)!!! be careful though, beacouse if you do incur an injury your not likely to thinki ts a big deal ntil the ibprofen wears off, so ya really gotta listen to your body.. as of now if i feel any little ake i stop for the day and i havent been really hurt yet!