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Broke my AAS cherry with 120 mg or so of Tren Ace

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with your weight and body fat, i would have stuck with diet and cardio rather than Tren...my opinion is your heart isn't in the best shape and the tren will not help the matter

I still wish you the best of luck and please keep a close eye on your health. Plus I wouldn't listen much to your buddies that only have experience with winny, abombs, dbol, and tbol. Notice all the orals? Dont think they know much about taking care of their bodies in my opinion.

I agree about the orals. They do stack them with test though. They may not care too much about their bodies but they are super strong. I think they only use that which they have the easiest access to. I may eventually try short oral tests though.

As far as bodyweight, I agree with you somewhat. I was in much better shape aerobically when I was younger. My plan is to alternate intense cardio with intense lean muscle gain. I think I think I've failed in weight control because of focusing too much on one or the other. My heart is a champ though but I don't know how many more years I have left giving that guarantee.

I know it's very premature, but I'm starting to feel very vindicated with my choice of tren. My stress level seems lowered, general optimism is very high, and I feel strong. The biggest side effects I was concerned about were the anxiety, insomnia, and aggression issues. I bought plenty of kava kava extract to address these issues. However, I think in my case, the mental issues were the biggest obstacle to serious gains in my physical aptitude. I would like to think that trens ability to so heavy handedly suppress cortisol activity will give benefits to more than offset the negatives with my course of action. Furthermore, the strength and lean mass gains will add to a general sense of optimism. These will probably be of enormous benefit to my heart, even though my lipids and blood pressure may suffer temporarily. I'm even suspicious that the reduction in stress may totally suppress any hair loss issues.

Right now I am cautiously optimistic. I'm of the opinion that as long as things stay generally within reason I have nothing to worry about. I'm also of the opinion that if things would head south, the short half life of tren ace will be of great service if I need to suddenly stop.

One thing I am really hoping for is that my method of preparation reduces the respiratory problems associated with tren to the point that I can engage in meaningful cardio. So far, I've experienced little of the sides normally associated with tren. Again, all of this is premature, but there will be only one way to find out.

I think what I'm bothered by is the constant opinion that tren is not a novice drug. I guess if your goal is to take your body building to the highest levels, it is a valid point. However, I am looking to tren to bust my ass out of a rut which will probably carry much more serious long term effects than tren. I would consider my use to be more medicinal and somewhat experimental. We need to remember that most medicine or exogenous substances do have toxicity associated with them. It should always be viewed in cost/benefit terms. Can my heart handle two weeks of elevated bp, increased lipids, increased exertion? Absolutely. Probably more than many people even on these boards. My heart has been constantly checked over the years and always seems unremarkable to cardiologists. Will my heart benefit long term from the cortisol reduction, increased lean muscle mass, increase in confidence, breaking through previously insurmountable obstacles? I would say it is extremely likely. Will I have insight on the widespread problem of cortisol causing neurodegenerative and autoimmune disorders I am consistently confronted with from very much younger friends with far less bf than me? I'm hoping so.

That was the main reason to really rouse me to action. I'm very suspicious that since my friends are usually highly intelligent, some of them have had high cortisol and norepinepherine through their lives which made them highly intelligent. Many were victims of child abuse and suffer from complex post traumatic stress disorder. One day one tells me they are likely coming down with multiple sclerosis, another day one tells me they are coming down with type II diabetes. Something that I think that is a real credit to bodybuilding and the use of ergogenic aids is the fact that if what they know would be organized and analyzed, many people suffering from so many diseases could be helped.

Obviously, I have had problems with depression, body dismorphic disorder, and low self-esteem. It was caused by unimaginable emotional abuse by my mother. I could only perform so well when this hardwired need to earn my mother's love would cause me to collapse into self-doubt. I did a bit of drug abuse and while getting clean realized that many that were getting clean had these strange issues come to light. I believe that for many, drug and alcohol abuse suppressed hormonal issues that would emerge as autoimmune or neurodegenerative disorers. My personal recovery was very frustrated feeling powerless and listening to these stories over and over again. I got very pissed with the psychiatrists not exploring new ways to help them. One thing I can say about myself is that I am highly rigorous in my science, intolerable to shoddy and half-assed work, and expect accountability and integrity from people. I am always willing to put my money where my mouth is. I would probably regret not doing tren if I waited until my body couldn't take it.

Unfortunately, with the current regulatory environment and conservative, pharmaceutical profit driven practice of medicine, I do not think that whatever I find will be of practical value in a reasonable amount of time. I believe that we live in a terribly unnatural environment that our bodies and minds are unable to adapt to quick enough. It would be nice to say people need to eat better or exercise more or have more self-acceptance, but I think this is too simple of an answer. I think we need more knowledge and be able to disperse that knowledge better. Finally, I think that drugs that enhance both physical and mental performance are not only necessary to enable all of mankind to keep up with out of control science and technology, but even evolve into something better. I tell people to not be afraid of science and technology but look more towards the unbreakable human spirit to kick ass into the future. That involves taking risks like I am. One BB in a forum had his signature as "The greatest risk of all is not taking risks."

Anyhow, sorry about the pontificating, but I think that tren is a very misunderstood AAS and possibly overlooked key to advancing the treatment of many maladies. Obviously, an AAS would never be the general solution, but it's a step and I'm hoping to get more intuition to further my investigations. I wish I had more resources and more credibility within medicine (I study physics and mathematics after all) to make a real difference. I've started to sketch out some groundbreaking work setting math to biology, particularly in drug abuse and addiction.

The cool doctors I talked to expressed that even though they disagreed with my choice, they found my questions and ideas fascinating. I was hoping they would figure out a way to avoid the whole medical ethics problem of researching AAS use and help me put this into a formal project. The sensible ones weren't worried about short term problems, but the fact that often the use of AAS turns long term and obviously the legality.

Anyhow, I appreciate everyone's concern. I kind of needed to brag about my AAS cherry popping somewhere and expected a bit of this reaction. I hope that I explained my choice well and that I made everyone aware that I did as much to prevent problems as I could. I also am in frequent contact with doctors and have people monitoring my health.
 
I agree about the orals. They do stack them with test though. They may not care too much about their bodies but they are super strong. I think they only use that which they have the easiest access to. I may eventually try short oral tests though.

As far as bodyweight, I agree with you somewhat. I was in much better shape aerobically when I was younger. My plan is to alternate intense cardio with intense lean muscle gain. I think I think I've failed in weight control because of focusing too much on one or the other. My heart is a champ though but I don't know how many more years I have left giving that guarantee.

I know it's very premature, but I'm starting to feel very vindicated with my choice of tren. My stress level seems lowered, general optimism is very high, and I feel strong. The biggest side effects I was concerned about were the anxiety, insomnia, and aggression issues. I bought plenty of kava kava extract to address these issues. However, I think in my case, the mental issues were the biggest obstacle to serious gains in my physical aptitude. I would like to think that trens ability to so heavy handedly suppress cortisol activity will give benefits to more than offset the negatives with my course of action. Furthermore, the strength and lean mass gains will add to a general sense of optimism. These will probably be of enormous benefit to my heart, even though my lipids and blood pressure may suffer temporarily. I'm even suspicious that the reduction in stress may totally suppress any hair loss issues.

Right now I am cautiously optimistic. I'm of the opinion that as long as things stay generally within reason I have nothing to worry about. I'm also of the opinion that if things would head south, the short half life of tren ace will be of great service if I need to suddenly stop.

One thing I am really hoping for is that my method of preparation reduces the respiratory problems associated with tren to the point that I can engage in meaningful cardio. So far, I've experienced little of the sides normally associated with tren. Again, all of this is premature, but there will be only one way to find out.

I think what I'm bothered by is the constant opinion that tren is not a novice drug. I guess if your goal is to take your body building to the highest levels, it is a valid point. However, I am looking to tren to bust my ass out of a rut which will probably carry much more serious long term effects than tren. I would consider my use to be more medicinal and somewhat experimental. We need to remember that most medicine or exogenous substances do have toxicity associated with them. It should always be viewed in cost/benefit terms. Can my heart handle two weeks of elevated bp, increased lipids, increased exertion? Absolutely. Probably more than many people even on these boards. My heart has been constantly checked over the years and always seems unremarkable to cardiologists. Will my heart benefit long term from the cortisol reduction, increased lean muscle mass, increase in confidence, breaking through previously insurmountable obstacles? I would say it is extremely likely. Will I have insight on the widespread problem of cortisol causing neurodegenerative and autoimmune disorders I am consistently confronted with from very much younger friends with far less bf than me? I'm hoping so.

That was the main reason to really rouse me to action. I'm very suspicious that since my friends are usually highly intelligent, some of them have had high cortisol and norepinepherine through their lives which made them highly intelligent. Many were victims of child abuse and suffer from complex post traumatic stress disorder. One day one tells me they are likely coming down with multiple sclerosis, another day one tells me they are coming down with type II diabetes. Something that I think that is a real credit to bodybuilding and the use of ergogenic aids is the fact that if what they know would be organized and analyzed, many people suffering from so many diseases could be helped.

Obviously, I have had problems with depression, body dismorphic disorder, and low self-esteem. It was caused by unimaginable emotional abuse by my mother. I could only perform so well when this hardwired need to earn my mother's love would cause me to collapse into self-doubt. I did a bit of drug abuse and while getting clean realized that many that were getting clean had these strange issues come to light. I believe that for many, drug and alcohol abuse suppressed hormonal issues that would emerge as autoimmune or neurodegenerative disorers. My personal recovery was very frustrated feeling powerless and listening to these stories over and over again. I got very pissed with the psychiatrists not exploring new ways to help them. One thing I can say about myself is that I am highly rigorous in my science, intolerable to shoddy and half-assed work, and expect accountability and integrity from people. I am always willing to put my money where my mouth is. I would probably regret not doing tren if I waited until my body couldn't take it.

Unfortunately, with the current regulatory environment and conservative, pharmaceutical profit driven practice of medicine, I do not think that whatever I find will be of practical value in a reasonable amount of time. I believe that we live in a terribly unnatural environment that our bodies and minds are unable to adapt to quick enough. It would be nice to say people need to eat better or exercise more or have more self-acceptance, but I think this is too simple of an answer. I think we need more knowledge and be able to disperse that knowledge better. Finally, I think that drugs that enhance both physical and mental performance are not only necessary to enable all of mankind to keep up with out of control science and technology, but even evolve into something better. I tell people to not be afraid of science and technology but look more towards the unbreakable human spirit to kick ass into the future. That involves taking risks like I am. One BB in a forum had his signature as "The greatest risk of all is not taking risks."

Anyhow, sorry about the pontificating, but I think that tren is a very misunderstood AAS and possibly overlooked key to advancing the treatment of many maladies. Obviously, an AAS would never be the general solution, but it's a step and I'm hoping to get more intuition to further my investigations. I wish I had more resources and more credibility within medicine (I study physics and mathematics after all) to make a real difference. I've started to sketch out some groundbreaking work setting math to biology, particularly in drug abuse and addiction.

The cool doctors I talked to expressed that even though they disagreed with my choice, they found my questions and ideas fascinating. I was hoping they would figure out a way to avoid the whole medical ethics problem of researching AAS use and help me put this into a formal project. The sensible ones weren't worried about short term problems, but the fact that often the use of AAS turns long term and obviously the legality.

Anyhow, I appreciate everyone's concern. I kind of needed to brag about my AAS cherry popping somewhere and expected a bit of this reaction. I hope that I explained my choice well and that I made everyone aware that I did as much to prevent problems as I could. I also am in frequent contact with doctors and have people monitoring my health.

Very Nice Post!
But a very stupid reasoning for doing Tren, You have just opened Pandora's box down the road you will be in for some very unpleasant suprises.Why do i say this? because at approaching 60 i have done it all.Tren has a way of messing with you ,as i am sure you will find farther along down the road,and don't expect to "just come off" Tren stays in your systen along time,i guess you didn't read that it will kill your sex drive.
since i know this will fall on death ears all i can say is "good luck chuck"!
 
Very Nice Post!
But a very stupid reasoning for doing Tren, You have just opened Pandora's box down the road you will be in for some very unpleasant suprises.Why do i say this? because at approaching 60 i have done it all.Tren has a way of messing with you ,as i am sure you will find farther along down the road,and don't expect to "just come off" Tren stays in your systen along time,i guess you didn't read that it will kill your sex drive.
since i know this will fall on death ears all i can say is "good luck chuck"!

My endocrinologist used emphasis on the libido issue. I'm actually looking forward to settling down a little bit for a time. I have no gf right now. Not interested in the women around me because they are sure to mess up my life.

So far I've noticed a very improved mood, lessened anxiety, and more energy. People are mentioning how much more radiant I am right now. I think the tren is working right away on the cortisol and a bit slower on the anabolism. I feel stronger and more secure. There is a slight bronchial constriction, but I haven't been winded or anything yet. I have started to sweat a hell of a lot though.

I've read that some tren users experience lessened side effects if they keep themselves well hydrated. I've been drinking water as much as I can, usually when I am not drinking whey. My urine seems pretty dilute despite the aminos, vitamins, minerals, and other shit I am cramming down my throat. I'm suspicious that tren just needs the right environment to work in to not get all finicky.

So far I am wondering what all the fuss is about. I've felt much harsher sides from FDA approved substances that gave me little benefit if any.
 
when your sweating like a pig, not sleaping, having agresson issues, stinking like hell, and having breathing problems you will understand.
 
I read constantly as much as I could for six weeks.

Whoa...six whole weeks?

120mg or so of tren?

Stop what you're doing now as you obviously have no idea of what it is that you are doing.

Take that six weeks you spent researching, extend that 50 times over and then maybe you'll have enough knowledge to do this correctly and safely.
 
Whoa...six whole weeks?

120mg or so of tren?

Stop what you're doing now as you obviously have no idea of what it is that you are doing.

Take that six weeks you spent researching, extend that 50 times over and then maybe you'll have enough knowledge to do this correctly and safely.

That was my frontload. Going to 40mg ED or EOD.
 
no reason to front load tren ace. You should stop the cycle, you will have some problems later on.

It's a two week cycle. I want to be on as much of that two weeks as possible with a constant level. The smoother the kinetics the less side effects and more benefit seems to hold true with any drug. Unless of course, one wants to get high or sedated or something like that.
 
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