British Drangon Opinions

[Wrongun]

Re: clarify....

I've had my UG tested for quality assurance and it's 99.8% USP. Can't argue with that.

Considering the precautions I've taken, I'd say that my heath and money are both wisely provided for.

Once the sterility and quality issues are put to bed, it's just a matter of shopping and customer service and BD is just too expensive. You can only rely on your brandname for so long before people will find other sources.

That being said, if you love BD, by all means more power to ya'.

So if you have to test each batch you get then cost of product + test is less than one vial of BD??? does not sound cost effective to me.

The point was i have 100% confidence in the production and quality assurance surrounding BD and so my choice (not everyones) is pharm grade and BD only. Yes you can get cheaper but at what cost and if i had to test each batch (which i would so as my health was catered for) then i am sure it would not be cost effective.

Bottom line is that it appears that in the USA Brit Drag products are more expensive than other UG labs. Basically it is user choice. the reasons i have state are mine and you choose to test your product. Bottom line it is user choice but BD is a great product IMHO and am also not aware that it is so much more expensive than QV etc

Wrongun!

 

[DIVISION]

Re: clarify....

So if you have to test each batch you get then cost of product + test is less than one vial of BD??? does not sound cost effective to me.

The point was i have 100% confidence in the production and quality assurance surrounding BD and so my choice (not everyones) is pharm grade and BD only. Yes you can get cheaper but at what cost and if i had to test each batch (which i would so as my health was catered for) then i am sure it would not be cost effective.

Bottom line is that it appears that in the USA Brit Drag products are more expensive than other UG labs. Basically it is user choice. the reasons i have state are mine and you choose to test your product. Bottom line it is user choice but BD is a great product IMHO and am also not aware that it is so much more expensive than QV etc

Wrongun!

When did I ever say I tested every batch? I have no idea how much QV products are, I don't use them.

 

[jloflexin405]

I have tried their testabol depot and eq, seemed to work very well for me, I have a great source for them if you want email me

YES, Please PM me ...possibly the same place I use but never hurts to check it out. Thank you in advance.

 

[Wrongun]

YES, Please PM me ...possibly the same place I use but never hurts to check it out. Thank you in advance.

prepare to be scammed!!!

Wrongun!

 

[Wrongun]

Re: clarify....

When did I ever say I tested every batch? I have no idea how much QV products are, I don't use them.

You stated ''I've had my UG tested for quality assurance and it's 99.8% USP''

Now if you do not test every batch how do you know if the quality assurance is maintained at 99.8% USP

I thought this was the debate about cost v's quality. i stated that IMHO it was worth paying more for known quality (i.e. brand name). You sateted the above and made the comment how your health was well taken care of.

If you do not test every batch that comes from your UG lab (which could quite possible be someones kitchen for all you know) how do you know you are getting value for money and quality sterie product?

Beofre you jump down my throat i am aware of the Brit Drag set up and owners and so can be assured that there is a real lab with excellent quality assurance. This is why it has the brand name

Hope this clears the misunderstanding up

Wrongun!

 

[Wrongun]

Re: clarify....

When did I ever say I tested every batch? I have no idea how much QV products are, I don't use them.

P.S. when i mentioned QV i also put etc. This signifies similar so again i hope this clears up your misunderstanding of my post

Wrongun!

 

[puddlemonkey]

Re: Is the expense worth it?

Who cares how much they charge for their stuff if its working and great quality?

Is that a joke? Who cares how much they charge? My wallet cares. Why would I pay over twice as much for the same product? The UG lab I use now has been tested on multiple occasions and every time came back slightly overdosed. So why would I use BD, a lab also with a good reputation, but one that charges twice as much for their products and I've never actually seen a lab result for? I'd have to be an idiot to continue to use BD considering the other options I have.

Why in the hell you do not discuss BTG var which is probably 10times more expensive than Oxanabol and same quality?

Come again? Sorry bro, that question didn't make any sense to me.

And I`ve seen BD lab tests, all products are overdosed.

I don't doubt this claim, but could you post a scan of the results? I'd like to see them as I mentioned before never seeing BD lab results. I've got scans of two labs results from the UG brand I am using now. Test Enanthate, label claims are the normal 250mg/ml, first batch came back at 278mg/ml and the second batch 324mg/ml.

And I know the owner too, very trustworthy person.

This must be why you're getting a little defensive over the fact I choose not to use BD products anymore.

 

[Wrongun]

Re: Is the expense worth it?

Is that a joke? Who cares how much they charge? My wallet cares. Why would I pay over twice as much for the same product? The UG lab I use now has been tested on multiple occasions and every time came back slightly overdosed. So why would I use BD, a lab also with a good reputation, but one that charges twice as much for their products and I've never actually seen a lab result for? I'd have to be an idiot to continue to use BD considering the other options I have.



Come again? Sorry bro, that question didn't make any sense to me.



I don't doubt this claim, but could you post a scan of the results? I'd like to see them as I mentioned before never seeing BD lab results. I've got scans of two labs results from the UG brand I am using now. Test Enanthate, label claims are the normal 250mg/ml, first batch came back at 278mg/ml and the second batch 324mg/ml.



This must be why you're getting a little defensive over the fact I choose not to use BD products anymore.

Why don't you do a search for the BD lab reports there are plenty available
If your source is charging twice as much for BD than another lab then he is either pushing the alternative lab for his own interest or he is so far down the chain in BD.

As for your UG lab test results coming back at 324 mg/ml when it should be 250mg/ml then i would be concerned at their quality assurance. Basically that means it is 23% overdosed....not what i woulod call accurate, cost effective or good quality control. If they can get the dosages so wrong when it has a financial impact then what attention to they pay to sterility?

Bottom line we all have our personal health and financial constraints. In my experience BD is priced the same as most ''established and reputable UG labs). They will be and are entitled to be more expensive than the kitchen UG lab (for all the reasons that have been stated above) IMHO.

Bottom line is that price is not always the main deciding point of a purchase especially when it can effect your health IMHO.

No flame bro but PuddleMonkey if you are overjoyed at purchasing cheap product that is 23% overdosed when referencing the label then not sure how you can be assured of quality and sterility but again it is your choice. To flame Ret for what he was saying to state the results you have just enforces rets comments IMHO

Wrongun!

 

[puddlemonkey]

Re: Is the expense worth it?

If your source is charging twice as much for BD than another lab then he is either pushing the alternative lab for his own interest or he is so far down the chain in BD.

The sources I am currently using don't sell BD products. When I was buying BD gear it was from 'THE SOURCE' himself. Just like now, I don't deal with middle men, I go directly through the source/lab for my products.

As for your UG lab test results coming back at 324 mg/ml when it should be 250mg/ml then i would be concerned at their quality assurance. Basically that means it is 23% overdosed....

Some of us like a little extra bang for our buck. When refering to Test Enanthate, 278 or 324 is a little extra bang IMO. Now when talking about someone like Orbit Labs overdosing their Var by 200% or whatever it was, thats a quality control issue!!!

Bottom line we all have our personal health and financial constraints. In my experience BD is priced the same as most ''established and reputable UG labs).

I disagree, I still say they are more expensive than ALL other UG lab prices I have seen anywhere!

No flame bro but PuddleMonkey if you are overjoyed at purchasing cheap product that is 23% overdosed when referencing the label then not sure how you can be assured of quality and sterility but again it is your choice.

You seem to forget one important thing... BD is a UG Lab just like any other. They can have sterility problems just like any other UG Lab. They can start scamming hundreds of people just like any other UG Lab. They can overdose and underdose just like any other UG Lab. You talk about them as if they are the almighty, they can do no wrong. The brand I happen to be refering to through all this is Zencall. I think if you do a search on AB, ASN, IBB, BDBB, AR, MM, OM, EA, PM, IC or any other body building forum you'll notice a trend; people trust Zencall products, people like Zencall products, people get results from Zencall products. In fact, I've yet to hear anyone complain about a Zencall product, and I read/post on a crapload of boards. So once again I have to ask myself, "why would I pay twice as much for BD?"

Wrongun, don't get me wrong, I like you, you seem like a good guy. And of course you're more than intitled to your opinion... no matter how wrong it may be

 

[Wrongun]

Re: Is the expense worth it?

The sources I am currently using don't sell BD products. When I was buying BD gear it was from 'THE SOURCE' himself. Just like now, I don't deal with middle men, I go directly through the source/lab for my products.



Some of us like a little extra bang for our buck. When refering to Test Enanthate, 278 or 324 is a little extra bang IMO. Now when talking about someone like Orbit Labs overdosing their Var by 200% or whatever it was, thats a quality control issue!!!



I disagree, I still say they are more expensive than ALL other UG lab prices I have seen anywhere!




You seem to forget one important thing... BD is a UG Lab just like any other. They can have sterility problems just like any other UG Lab. They can start scamming hundreds of people just like any other UG Lab. They can overdose and underdose just like any other UG Lab. You talk about them as if they are the almighty, they can do no wrong. The brand I happen to be refering to through all this is Zencall. I think if you do a search on AB, ASN, IBB, BDBB, AR, MM, OM, EA, PM, IC or any other body building forum you'll notice a trend; people trust Zencall products, people like Zencall products, people get results from Zencall products. In fact, I've yet to hear anyone complain about a Zencall product, and I read/post on a crapload of boards. So once again I have to ask myself, "why would I pay twice as much for BD?"

Wrongun, don't get me wrong, I like you, you seem like a good guy. And of course you're more than intitled to your opinion... no matter how wrong it may be

This is the problem i an not wrong IMO which we are all entitled too.

I will not spend time doing seperate quotes but will try and show you the errors

If you bought BD from the man then you must know him very personnally as he has distibutors and as far as he recalls he has never heard of you. If you bought from the website then you will have also read that it was taken by another source and yes he was vey expensive. Anyway enough of that i am sure you are confident you are high up the chain.

You think 23% overdosed is a little more bang for your buck then sorry you are foolish. These are meds and not sweets. The science is accurate blood concentration levels so what is your limit??? 200% you quote. So are you saying if you buy an amp that states 250mg/ml and it is actually 500mg/ml without knowing you are happy and see that as a benefit. Back to your lab report then if you had planned a 500mg EW cycle you are actually taking 648mg/ml are you now saying that is good and ok as long as it does not reach the unaceptable 200%!!!

My final comment to answer your reply. Yes BD are an UG lab. But i am confident (which i have to be with any product that i intend to inject into me) that the operation is not run from someones kitchen and actually conducted in a true lab. AGAIN this is how i am confident of sterility and quality control issues. Where the scamming came into it i do not know have you someting you wish to share???? The lab does NOT sell direct but through distributors. Therefore yes the distributor can scam (similar to IP's) but not the lab.

I will again state (hopefully you will read this time) you can use whichever product you wish it is personal choice. The discussion here started with BD products. I like and use as do many others. You made a comment about never using due to cost (although it seems you have been ripped off before which i am sure hurts you) and i simply stated why apart fropm Pharm grade that is the only other med i will use. So where you aregumnent about Zenkall having a good rep comes from is irrelevant is it not unless you know the set up and are happy with unstable dosages?

Anyway to summarise PuddleMonkey you are a touch puddled yes




Wrongun!