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Breasts: A Rant
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boscoe wilson
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I won't have the procedure until Feb. 26th. But thank you.
What do you all think though about how PS helps or hinders women as a whole? Do you think that having these surgeries, (lipo, breasts, etc.) keeps us from being taken seriously for our intelligence, talents, etc.? Are we just fighting getting old? You know there was a time when advanced age was associated with wisdom and was honored. Older women were considered powerful. Women in general were honored for their fertility and ability to give life. Women were considered different yet equal in ancient societies. They say we are equal now but we're only as equal as the patriarchy allows us. We're still in reality all playing games. Men became threatened at some point and have for centuries discouraged us from being who we really are. And encouraged us to fulfill the perfect image of their plaything. CONTROL!
Women come in all shapes and sizes even the fit ones. Can't we be left alone to be accepted as beautiful in our own right? I was very put off recently by a conversation on the chat board about fat women. And, NO, I'm not fat. It became a very sexist and degrading chat about fat women and what they could or couldn't do sexually and the like. I thought how shallow that these men couldn't realize that a fat woman could be just as sexual and fullfilled as a thin woman. Fortunately there are more positive than negative conversations around here or that would have been enough for me never to come back.
So anyway, just some more thoughts of mine. I love my man. I'm not a femi nazi. I just find it very hard to stomach what many women do to themselves physically and emotionally to please them whether they realize that's what they are doing or not.
Women come in all shapes and sizes even the fit ones. Can't we be left alone to be accepted as beautiful in our own right? I was very put off recently by a conversation on the chat board about fat women. And, NO, I'm not fat. It became a very sexist and degrading chat about fat women and what they could or couldn't do sexually and the like. I thought how shallow that these men couldn't realize that a fat woman could be just as sexual and fullfilled as a thin woman. Fortunately there are more positive than negative conversations around here or that would have been enough for me never to come back.
So anyway, just some more thoughts of mine. I love my man. I'm not a femi nazi. I just find it very hard to stomach what many women do to themselves physically and emotionally to please them whether they realize that's what they are doing or not.
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jenscats5
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I find this thread very interesting.
I agree with the point that plastic surgery isn't something to be taken lightly and getting it may not solve what it is trying to solve. But, after research and consultations if someone wants to get it done why not? What's right for one lady will be wrong for another and so the world turns.
Wouldn't it be nice if everyone was accepted for who they are instead of what they look like? It seems every decade or so, that "look" changes and you just can't keep up with it! I used to try but can't be bothered anymore. The older I've gotten (34 now) the less I care about what others think. I want to look good & be healthy of course.
I think too that the "evil women" and "fat women" threads on C&C are just the men posturing cuz they KNOW they can't have that conversation in person. I mean, they can (with the anominity (sp?) the internet provides) let loose with all kinds of BS conversations. They may in reality not feel that way, but when the testosterone gets pumping..... hehe
I agree with the point that plastic surgery isn't something to be taken lightly and getting it may not solve what it is trying to solve. But, after research and consultations if someone wants to get it done why not? What's right for one lady will be wrong for another and so the world turns.
Wouldn't it be nice if everyone was accepted for who they are instead of what they look like? It seems every decade or so, that "look" changes and you just can't keep up with it! I used to try but can't be bothered anymore. The older I've gotten (34 now) the less I care about what others think. I want to look good & be healthy of course.
I think too that the "evil women" and "fat women" threads on C&C are just the men posturing cuz they KNOW they can't have that conversation in person. I mean, they can (with the anominity (sp?) the internet provides) let loose with all kinds of BS conversations. They may in reality not feel that way, but when the testosterone gets pumping..... hehe
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jenscats5
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All right, now I'm really going to go out on a limb......
I was never going to post this here cuz I am serious about my exercise & lifting and was afraid I'd be labelled as a "cheater" of sorts if I said anything, but with the other ladies considering it, I may be able to help.
I had liposuction last Feb and again in September.
If anyone has questions as to what to expect or whatever, feel free to ask. It's a tough surgery and there is a recovery time of several months.
In a way I think that the fact that plastic surgery exists at all and has become an art form makes it ok. I had it done cuz I was killing myself in the gym with exercise & diet and my abs & saddlebags had excess fat due to heredity and it wasn't going away in these pockets.....now I look more proportional but my body has not become a different shape....I still am the same shape but smaller......now the rest is up to me.
Plastic surgery is an art form and a good PS makes the difference in how you'll look afterwards.
I was never going to post this here cuz I am serious about my exercise & lifting and was afraid I'd be labelled as a "cheater" of sorts if I said anything, but with the other ladies considering it, I may be able to help.
I had liposuction last Feb and again in September.
If anyone has questions as to what to expect or whatever, feel free to ask. It's a tough surgery and there is a recovery time of several months.
In a way I think that the fact that plastic surgery exists at all and has become an art form makes it ok. I had it done cuz I was killing myself in the gym with exercise & diet and my abs & saddlebags had excess fat due to heredity and it wasn't going away in these pockets.....now I look more proportional but my body has not become a different shape....I still am the same shape but smaller......now the rest is up to me.
Plastic surgery is an art form and a good PS makes the difference in how you'll look afterwards.
majutsu
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2 or 3 times in this thread (which is real interesting btw) people have mentioned that bodybuilding (particularly the use of aas) is analagous to plastic surgery. Particularly regarding aas, I find this misleading. It may seem analagous, but there is a simple situation that shows the difference: There is plastic surgery for bodybuilding. A man can go to a plastic surgeon and get Synthol injects to temporarily make his pecs look bigger, or even get mucle implants. Of course, you can't really bench any more weight, but it looks like you could, and that's the difference. Furthermore, they can carve fake definition lines on your abs, of course, but you don't really have reduced subcutaneous abdominal fat, but from a distance it looks like you might. AAS are performance enhancing drugs; successful use with hard work leads to an enhanced performance, a physiological difference that is functional and real, such as increased lean body mass or reduced fat. Since physiologically meaningful sides, such as increased cholesterol, can be controlled with diet, supplements, and judicious aas choice, and reduced body fat or increased lean mass have been repeatedly shown to be life prolonging and disease preventing, therefore bodybuilding increases your health in clearly measurable ways. If the same guy gets liposuction, muscle implants and laser sketched abs instead of working out, he is as unhealthy as ever, a mere empty picture. To wear a mask like this, a fraud facade, and be happy about it, would indicate a very insecure and psychological troubled person. As for tanning, most amateurs and pros use harmless dyes except for a modest non-injurious base. And no real bodybuilder can maximize their gains on a deficient diet?!?
Plastic surgery is a fraud, an empty visual effect. If the same women, instead of liposuction, breast jobs, and face tucks, concentrated on diet and excercise, they could achieve a beautiful aesthetic effect and have improved cardiac function, immune response, and improved lean muscle mass to assist through the frailities of old age. And don't forget, fake boobs are artwork, like tattoos, they are made for that body at that time. Ever seen your grandma's tattoo, or your old aunt's fake boobs from the late seventies' Think about it, but not too hard, trust me, it's a mental image not easily cro-barred out of your head. The horror! The horror!
Plastic surgery is a fraud, an empty visual effect. If the same women, instead of liposuction, breast jobs, and face tucks, concentrated on diet and excercise, they could achieve a beautiful aesthetic effect and have improved cardiac function, immune response, and improved lean muscle mass to assist through the frailities of old age. And don't forget, fake boobs are artwork, like tattoos, they are made for that body at that time. Ever seen your grandma's tattoo, or your old aunt's fake boobs from the late seventies' Think about it, but not too hard, trust me, it's a mental image not easily cro-barred out of your head. The horror! The horror!
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jenscats5
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Well, Maj, I could agree with you about PS being a fraud if the person who was getting surgery did not exercise or eat right and got the PS just to "look good." However with improper diet & exercise, the lipo will make no difference within a year as the person who got it will go back to looking the way they did B4.
Now if you have another person who is diligent about diet & exercise, does so regularly & eats right but due to heredity has pockets of excess fat that cannot be eliminated with diet & exercise alone, lipo could be an option for them. Yes, it enhances their look. However it's not fraudulent cuz they are putting in the time at the gym. Not everyone can get rid of large fat pockets with diet & exercise alone.
Now if you have another person who is diligent about diet & exercise, does so regularly & eats right but due to heredity has pockets of excess fat that cannot be eliminated with diet & exercise alone, lipo could be an option for them. Yes, it enhances their look. However it's not fraudulent cuz they are putting in the time at the gym. Not everyone can get rid of large fat pockets with diet & exercise alone.
wend
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Jens, I know you've worked hard , and if you felt the need to have liposuction and are happy with it, then it's the right thing for you! I just thank the DNA gods that it doesn't seem to be necessary for me. (And I'm thankful that your procedure went well and had no ill effects...as I'm sure you are, too!)
Blaithin, I think on the whole that plastic surgery as a quick fix is a bad thing for women. I've seen so many celebrities get their lips done, and it just looks like shit. Then there's Lauren Hutton, who is now 60 and is staunchly against it. Instead, she's living a fulfilling, healthy, active, adventurous life that's keeping her young...she looks incredible.
I knew a young woman (who has since suicided) whose father gave her a nose job for her sixteenth birthday. It left a scar on both her nose and her psyche (though not as deep a one as the incest, which is what impelled her suicide).
And while I'm glad that there are some really good plastic surgeons so that those who need reconstruction can get it, I think most of them are seriously unethical (and from the looks of the scars that I've seen on breasts and noses and lips, pretty unskilled as well). I think that many women are not well informed of the risks involved. And more importantly, it's the only medical profession which, through advertising, creates its own market. I think that's unconscionable: to put advertisments in women's magazines with airbrushed images of the "perfect" body so that we human women can feel badly about our own and run in and have something cut out or stuffed in.
Majutsu, while your language may be a little strong, I think you've got a point. There IS a world of difference between AS use and plastic surgery. Both ARE risky, but the former requires real work, and can create beautiful, lasting, healthy results. (I've got to object to the tattoo analogy, though...if you keep your body fit, tattoos will look sexy at any age!)
Blaithin, I think on the whole that plastic surgery as a quick fix is a bad thing for women. I've seen so many celebrities get their lips done, and it just looks like shit. Then there's Lauren Hutton, who is now 60 and is staunchly against it. Instead, she's living a fulfilling, healthy, active, adventurous life that's keeping her young...she looks incredible.
I knew a young woman (who has since suicided) whose father gave her a nose job for her sixteenth birthday. It left a scar on both her nose and her psyche (though not as deep a one as the incest, which is what impelled her suicide).
And while I'm glad that there are some really good plastic surgeons so that those who need reconstruction can get it, I think most of them are seriously unethical (and from the looks of the scars that I've seen on breasts and noses and lips, pretty unskilled as well). I think that many women are not well informed of the risks involved. And more importantly, it's the only medical profession which, through advertising, creates its own market. I think that's unconscionable: to put advertisments in women's magazines with airbrushed images of the "perfect" body so that we human women can feel badly about our own and run in and have something cut out or stuffed in.
Majutsu, while your language may be a little strong, I think you've got a point. There IS a world of difference between AS use and plastic surgery. Both ARE risky, but the former requires real work, and can create beautiful, lasting, healthy results. (I've got to object to the tattoo analogy, though...if you keep your body fit, tattoos will look sexy at any age!)
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jenscats5
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Wend, I agree with you on the "quick fix" part....as part of my recovery I joined a PS recovery site but it seems most of the people were looking for a quick fix. They have a exercise forum & these people get on my nerves! They don't want to put in the time or effort to exercise or eat right which irritates me to no end. I put in the time & effort but my genetics were against me. I researched PS, got consultations, checked my dr's license his educations, etc. I also think those "airbrushed" pics are unrealistic. Plastic surgery won't make you look like that or rarely will. The pressure for women to look a certain way in society is a shame and if they feel surgery is necessary then that is also a shame. I used it to assist me in my goals but know very well that it's not permanent unless I take responsibility & eat right & exercise. My dr. was very good at telling me I won't look like the airbrushed or celebrity pics -- he stressed the risks & reality & he was right.
I hope that anyone who considers PS realizes it for what it is & takes all the complications & risks into consideration. There ARE a lot of dr's in it just for the money and don't take the patient into the proper consideration.
I hope that anyone who considers PS realizes it for what it is & takes all the complications & risks into consideration. There ARE a lot of dr's in it just for the money and don't take the patient into the proper consideration.
I had sort of forgotten about Lauren Hutton. And I agree that she is a wonderful role model for women and an example of aging gracefully. She is active, healthy, and living life on her own terms.
She has had some rough times though. Had a boyfriend/manager that ripped her off for years. She basically had to find ways to remake her fortune long after her bloom had faded. Then not all that long ago she had a terrible motorcycle accident. She had some very serious injuries but was able to come back and recover. Remarkable woman!
Think about Martha Stewart for a moment. She was once a model also and I believe has aged gracefully. I know many have a negative image of her and her projects are a bit frou frou and complicated. But truth be known she has accomplished quite a bit. She is known to be a bitch, but would a man in her position be thought of negatively or would he be thought of as a shrewd and assertive businessman? Would a man be in as much hot water right now? I don't think those Enron guys have been smeared as much. I think this is a woman who in the eyes of many has gotten a little too big for her breeches. I think this a woman living on her own terms being made an example of.
I know that's a bit off the topic of breasts but just look at what happens sometimes when a woman doesn't live up to what is expected.
She has had some rough times though. Had a boyfriend/manager that ripped her off for years. She basically had to find ways to remake her fortune long after her bloom had faded. Then not all that long ago she had a terrible motorcycle accident. She had some very serious injuries but was able to come back and recover. Remarkable woman!
Think about Martha Stewart for a moment. She was once a model also and I believe has aged gracefully. I know many have a negative image of her and her projects are a bit frou frou and complicated. But truth be known she has accomplished quite a bit. She is known to be a bitch, but would a man in her position be thought of negatively or would he be thought of as a shrewd and assertive businessman? Would a man be in as much hot water right now? I don't think those Enron guys have been smeared as much. I think this is a woman who in the eyes of many has gotten a little too big for her breeches. I think this a woman living on her own terms being made an example of.
I know that's a bit off the topic of breasts but just look at what happens sometimes when a woman doesn't live up to what is expected.
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