Brand New and Confused

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Thanks Goal for the input. I will change over to that regiment next week.

Armaniak, I love the attitude!

I had not read anywhere, yet, about just staying on Test. You are saying during a cycle and after for recovery also here? I am 35 so I am sure my T is dropping. I am not sure I would do that right out of the gate for my first cycle experience, but it is interesting and I will be sure to research it more.

I think what I would like to do now is get my baseline numbers first before I even start to dabble. Should I just go to a doc? I have no insurance and I am sure blood work is expensive. Are there any online blood work options I can order that re legit?

What should I be asking about when I get my blood work?

 

[stevesmi]

a half marathon, no. but high intensity cardio on a cutting cycle is common. i may have misinterpreted some of what you said earlier, but you weren't entirely clear either. regardless no need to snap at me, i wasn't attacking you, just disagreeing.

wasn't getting snappy at all. i just dont want this guy to get 'the reality check' of ridiculous pumps when he is trying to earn a paycheck or in the middle of his half marathons.

on harder surface i can make it half a mile.. on softer surface I can go farther while on cycle. but the pumps are massive that i've experienced to the point where i get off the treadmill and have to immediately sit on the floor.

also keep in mind I live in an area of the world that is ridiculously hot and humid 10 months out of the year so i dont have the luxury of running on softer surface, so maybe I am a bit more biased in my views. but dont get me wrong.. I LOVE to feel the pump, but I dont think I would like it while I am in the middle of a 12 hour hike lol.

 

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wasn't getting snappy at all. i just dont want this guy to get 'the reality check' of ridiculous pumps when he is trying to earn a paycheck or in the middle of his half marathons.

on harder surface i can make it half a mile.. on softer surface I can go farther while on cycle. but the pumps are massive that i've experienced to the point where i get off the treadmill and have to immediately sit on the floor.

also keep in mind I live in an area of the world that is ridiculously hot and humid 10 months out of the year so i dont have the luxury of running on softer surface, so maybe I am a bit more biased in my views. but dont get me wrong.. I LOVE to feel the pump, but I dont think I would like it while I am in the middle of a 12 hour hike lol.

Thanks Steve. This is why I initially inquired about EPO. Cardio is my main focus and when I refer to endurance I am referring to running 15-20 miles at a 7min30sec/ mile pace. I also pound out mileage hiking- not only for work, but training can involve a hike/jog for up to 100 miles. 100 miles is rare, in fact, only one an off-season- just to do it.

I feel I train hard, but I want to get faster and more powerful. At this point, I feel , I have reached a plateau and need a little gear to push me to the next level.

With that said would Eq, Tbol, and Test be good to run in the off season? I have decided I will run nothing during the season. I am looking to start in Jan or Feb of 2011. My runs are much shorter (30-40 min.) at a slower pace that time of year. I push more weight that time of year. By March I am becoming more run focused.

How long would the cycle go and what would it look like (dosage and how often)?

 

[stevesmi]

Thanks Steve. This is why I initially inquired about EPO. Cardio is my main focus and when I refer to endurance I am referring to running 15-20 miles at a 7min30sec/ mile pace. I also pound out mileage hiking- not only for work, but training can involve a hike/jog for up to 100 miles. 100 miles is rare, in fact, only one an off-season- just to do it.

I feel I train hard, but I want to get faster and more powerful. At this point, I feel , I have reached a plateau and need a little gear to push me to the next level.

With that said would Eq, Tbol, and Test be good to run in the off season? I have decided I will run nothing during the season. I am looking to start in Jan or Feb of 2011. My runs are much shorter (30-40 min.) at a slower pace that time of year. I push more weight that time of year. By March I am becoming more run focused.

How long would the cycle go and what would it look like (dosage and how often)?

tough call man.. I will tell you after running my last cycle I haven't been able to get back to being as fast as before. keep that in mind. probably a combo of being more bulky + not being able to put in the mileage while on cycle has put me behind.. but i knew that going in and was cool with it.. looking to be stronger and bulkier, rather then have a runners body.

 

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tough call man.. I will tell you after running my last cycle I haven't been able to get back to being as fast as before. keep that in mind. probably a combo of being more bulky + not being able to put in the mileage while on cycle has put me behind.. but i knew that going in and was cool with it.. looking to be stronger and bulkier, rather then have a runners body.

Yeah, I'm not looking to get big. Just more solid and more lean. I have actually put 30 pounds on over my weight last year at this time. I feel more solid and I can run just fine at this weight. I don't want to put more than 5 pounds- maybe 15 max. I would like to get a bit more cut and solid.

This is why I was thinking run a cycle when I am not doing a ton of running and then end that cycle as I am moving into hardcore cardio training.

I am thinking it would look like: Eq, Tbol, Test in Jan or Feb. I am not sure how long each one would go for, but as April approaches I am thinking of ending that and looking into a light EPO regiment.

I will be researching when I can over the next few months to really dial in my program.
Currently I am thinking:

Eq- 200-300mg/week (not sure how to break that up daily-suggestions?) for 14 weeks

Tbol- 15mg/day for 4 weeks

Can I add Var after the Tbol?

Test- Test Enanthate 200mg every 4 days 1st 8 weeks then 100mg evey 4 days next 8 weeks

Arimidex- 2mg/day

EPO- last 2 weeks of April (I will be researching doses)

Anything else I am missing? What is good for liver function? Blood Pressure meds? Cholesterol meds?

I will read more in depth PCT on the Sticky.

 

[goal245]

a good cycle with the compounds you listed would be:

1-4 tbol 40-60mgs/day (15mg isnt going to do anything)
8-12 anavar 40-60mgs/day
1-14 eq 400mg/week (split into 1 or 2 shots, doesnt realy matter)
1-16 test e 500mg/week split into 2 shots (ex. 250 monday, 250 thursday)

arimidex .5mg EOD if needed.

I would advise against epo, 400mg of eq will give you same results with additional recovery benefits as well as being much safer. (cyclists die each year from epo related heart attacks)

 

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a good cycle with the compounds you listed would be:

1-4 tbol 40-60mgs/day (15mg isnt going to do anything)
8-12 anavar 40-60mgs/day
1-14 eq 400mg/week (split into 1 or 2 shots, doesnt realy matter)
1-16 test e 500mg/week split into 2 shots (ex. 250 monday, 250 thursday)

arimidex .5mg EOD if needed.

I would advise against epo, 400mg of eq will give you same results with additional recovery benefits as well as being much safer. (cyclists die each year from epo related heart attacks)

Thanks Goal for the info. I was trying to stay on the conservative side of dosage- hence the low mgs I was thinking. If what you suggested is on the conservative side then I am looking forward to this cycle.

As far as the EPO goes, I will be doing quite a bit of research to see if it can be done safely. However, if after my cycle I feel the Eq got my RBC up and I feel great for long distance then I simply won't do EPO for that reason. I do have my suspicions on the cyclist deaths. Yes, they are from EPO, but could there be other factors?

I am thinking that the deaths are from EPO in addition to some other factors like possibly taking too much for too long. Taking high dosages while training at high altitude, possibly additional blood doping, and the extremely low resting/sleeping heart rate of these world class athletes. They could also (likely) be sleeping in a altitude chamber in their trailers in between stages. This is all just a hunch as I have no real info or data to back it up.

I do think that all or some of these in conjunction with EPO use increases the dangers.. There are many successful EPO users that use lower doses and watch their hemocrit levels. I think the cyclists were likely pushing the limit, but there can be a safe area to stay within.

If the Eq takes care of my endurance- this is moot and it will just be fun to do the research.

 

[Varga]

tough call man.. I will tell you after running my last cycle I haven't been able to get back to being as fast as before. keep that in mind. probably a combo of being more bulky + not being able to put in the mileage while on cycle has put me behind.. but i knew that going in and was cool with it.. looking to be stronger and bulkier, rather then have a runners body.

That's a trade off from bulking to get a bit slower. I think the main goals is to reduce body fat as much as possible into the single digits, and keep doing cardio during the duration of the cycle.
You cant really be super strong and run a marathon we just not built for that but I think there is a middle ground where you can be relatively strong and have a lot of endurance. I think for the goals listed I would try to stay on the lighter side as far as the body weight goes.

 

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That's a trade off from bulking to get a bit slower. I think the main goals is to reduce body fat as much as possible into the single digits, and keep doing cardio during the duration of the cycle.
You cant really be super strong and run a marathon we just not built for that but I think there is a middle ground where you can be relatively strong and have a lot of endurance. I think for the goals listed I would try to stay on the lighter side as far as the body weight goes.

Yup, I am trying to figure out where that middle ground is. At 200 I am running at a pretty good clip (8:15 miles, but I can push more) I don't want to gain too much more- maybe 5 to 15 lbs if I am dropping fat in favor of lean, hard muscle. I think just the amount of cardio I do will prevent too much in weight gain. But, I just don't know never having done juice before.

 

[Varga]

Yup, I am trying to figure out where that middle ground is. At 200 I am running at a pretty good clip (8:15 miles, but I can push more) I don't want to gain too much more- maybe 5 to 15 lbs if I am dropping fat in favor of lean, hard muscle. I think just the amount of cardio I do will prevent too much in weight gain. But, I just don't know never having done juice before.

It's easy on paper to figure stuff out but your body will tell you for sure in real world where that middle ground is.
The thing with AAS is to keep doing cardio but do not reduce calories to the point of it working against you. Just keep the diet lean and clean low in fat good in complex carbs and lean protein but keep it at around 3000 cal per day and see what results you get. if you feel flat and hard to recover go up 500cal more. THat will take care of the losing fat part. Im thinking for you to gain 5-8lbs of lean muscle and maybe drop 10lbs of fat. So even though you may end up at 195 you will be stronger and faster.