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Well said sir...it's the fastest growing infectious disease in the world. And the bad part, it's not easy to diagnose. It fact, it's close to impossible.
Scary stuff
 
I'm following other ND"s in my Naturopath group who have ALS patients and all of them had active Lyme found in their lumbar. My ALS patient came to me and I told him to check for Lyme, he was CDC positive through Igenex Labs. I'm treating him along with a Lyme MD in the US.
They are finding Lyme in MS, ALS, Parkinson, Dementia/Alzheimer and many other diseases.
 
miplank said:
if it's so "close to impossible" to diagnose than why are there about 300,000 cases/yr?
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Most are clinically diagnosis. If a EM rash (bulls-eye) appears, that is considered a full-proof dx. Prob is, only 30% of people ever get that EM rash.
The test for Lyme, which is the Elisa, has a 93% failure rate. The western blot is more accurate, but most MD's won't order the WB without the Elisa being +

Igenex has the most sensitive testing for Lyme. They follow the CDC's criteria for Lyme bands on testing.

83% of all cases are clinically dx though. It's tough to dx since the bacteria attacks different parts of the body and goes into cyst (bio films) forms
 
PICK3 said:
Since it's in all teh headlines I'm thinking even a D.O. could Dx it!
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Any Doc can order the testing, but true, most MD's are not familiar with symptoms and cannot dx it. There are LLMD's (Lyme Literate MD's) who are trained to dx. I dx it, but I still send them to their MD to get testing.
 
miplank said:
but they're diagnosed right? so it's not close to impossible...
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It's close to impossible to get a full proof dx from bloods. The EM rash or a + West blot is the only way for a full proof dx.

Is someone comes to me and says they recall a tick bite and then got sick, but never went to see a doc, then I know it's become chronic.

Newly infected Lyme is not an issue. It's cured with 10 weeks of doxy (not the 4 weeks ILADS says) but when it's not caught, it goes into chronic stages and one can live for years with it while it destroys the body.

really crazy illness
 
What are the symptoms? I'm pretty sure I have undiagnosed lyme. Lock it up until I get confirmation.
 
So what you meant to say was positive by CDC criteria. Here I thought maybe there was something you knew that I didn't, like a new test for Lyme or something, but what really happened was you weren't able to clearly express what you were trying to say. I get it now.
 
well now see...here is where I have to side with the ordinarily crazy hypochondriacs

no one argues residual, long term, possibly lifetime symptoms in a dog that went with undiagnosed lyme for any length of time.
My little terrier is an excellent example...he randomly has "shifting lameness" after a treated bout with lymes. He does not test positive any longer on any titer but he has residual symptoms that randomly flare up...a baby aspirin and the dog is fine but still

I've heard of more than one dog that was eventually euthanized because of long term neurological problems from lymes...say snapping at flies that aren't actually there suggesting hallucinations

and no one disputes this but suddenly when it comes to a different mammal, people, its a huge debate. I don't get that.

I don't know that they have any sort of active infection per see but why not a long term residual affect to which there may not be any real treatment to eradicate?
 
shirlene29 said:
well now see...here is where i have to side with the ordinarily crazy hypochondriacs

no one argues residual, long term, possibly lifetime symptoms in a dog that went with undiagnosed lyme for any length of time.
My little terrier is an excellent example...he randomly has "shifting lameness" after a treated bout with lymes. He does not test positive any longer on any titer but he has residual symptoms that randomly flare up...a baby aspirin and the dog is fine but still

i've heard of more than one dog that was eventually euthanized because of long term neurological problems from lymes...say snapping at flies that aren't actually there suggesting hallucinations

and no one disputes this but suddenly when it comes to a different mammal, people, its a huge debate. I don't get that.

I don't know that they have any sort of active infection per see but why not a long term residual affect to which there may not be any real treatment to eradicate?
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like!!
 
somebody better lock this whole fucking website down until we get some gutdamn answers here
 
I just read all this and no drama...wtf fail
 
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