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Mike4705

Mike4705

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So to start I ran a 10 week tren ace, test prop cycle that ended in late September 2012 (6 months ago) PCT of post cycle unleashed, forma, DAA and hcgenerate (no HCG or clomid)
Everything seemed fine until around 3 months off I started noticing signs of low test, I figured it was a cause of my stressful life so I proceeded with an 8 week s4 cycle which I ran a mini pct of hcgenerate. This cycle ended late February 2013. After about 2 weeks off PCT I noticed low test sides except this time that's what I actually believed it was. Started up some D Spark and double bridge. In this time I lost significant amount of gains from prior gear cycle. From the d spark I immediately felt better incline me to get blood done.

Testosterone 394. NML 348-1197
Free Testosterone 7.9 (marked low)
DHEA 289
Estrogen 22.4 NML 7.6-42.6

At this point I was two weeks into my NTBM muscle products. I had some concern so 2 weeks ago I began clomid at 25 mg a day. After 2 weeks of therapy these were my results

Testosterone 592
Lh 3.2 NML 1.7 to 8.6
FSH 3.4 NML 1.4-12.4
Estrogens 24.7

My question is, should I continue clomid for another week or two, and then check again? Or should I stop the clomid now and test again in two week. I want to start a triple stack soon. My only concern is my LH AND FSH
Thanks guys
 
I wouldn't start anything until your bloods are good. Your test went up but you should keep running the clomid for the full 4 weeks then get bloods a few weeks after. If levels still haven't recovered, try another pct protocol.
 
Jbranken said:
I wouldn't start anything until your bloods are good. Your test went up but you should keep running the clomid for the full 4 weeks then get bloods a few weeks after. If levels still haven't recovered, try another pct protocol.
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Okay, thanks for the help, will do. Do these levels look promising? What should I look for to determine my bloods are in check? Higher LH? Or just feeling optimal in general.
 
come off all drugs and then wait a solid 2 weeks, then re-check.. the clomid is giving you a temporary boost to your numbers but will that hold when you come off? nope it will not.. question is how much do things tank

you ran a tough cycle.. then jumped on S4 which is suppressive. so really your numbers aren't bad at all. the longer you stay off the more you will slowly recover.

I tell guys to run bloods because I feel like people ignore it too much and think they are recovered fine when they are not. i think if everyone ran bloods we would have far more threads like this.. there is a cliche that ignorance is bliss. its like buying a house without having it inspected. i guess you will find out the hard way if the roof is no good or the pipes need to be replaced
 
Jbranken said:
I wouldn't start anything until your bloods are good. Your test went up but you should keep running the clomid for the full 4 weeks then get bloods a few weeks after. If levels still haven't recovered, try another pct protocol.
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I agree. Wait until your blood work is back to normal and you fully recover. Give it some time,,it will return if you do it right.
 
Mike4705 said:
Okay, thanks for the help, will do. Do these levels look promising? What should I look for to determine my bloods are in check? Higher LH? Or just feeling optimal in general.
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Your test is already starting to recover, though you'll probably see a drop after you discontinue clomid. Keep running support supps and test boosters and things should level out over time. Your levels are salvageable so that's good news. LH is on the lower end of the norm but not horrible. Unleashed, hcgenerate, methyl EAA, test infusion are all great natural supps that would help here. The most important thing is not to run anything suppressive until you're recovered

Did you get prolactin tested? Would be interesting to see where it's at of you didn't run any caber with your tren
 
stevesmi said:
come off all drugs and then wait a solid 2 weeks, then re-check.. the clomid is giving you a temporary boost to your numbers but will that hold when you come off? nope it will not.. question is how much do things tank

you ran a tough cycle.. then jumped on S4 which is suppressive. so really your numbers aren't bad at all. the longer you stay off the more you will slowly recover.

I tell guys to run bloods because I feel like people ignore it too much and think they are recovered fine when they are not. i think if everyone ran bloods we would have far more threads like this.. there is a cliche that ignorance is bliss. its like buying a house without having it inspected. i guess you will find out the hard way if the roof is no good or the pipes need to be replaced
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Thanks Steve always great info. Seeing how things will tank I will run the clomid for the full month re-test, come off for 2 weeks then retest. I want to know exactly how much it will drop. Unfortunately when it comes to AAS I've always learned the hard way, but bloods is definAtely something I'll always check. I feel great so I'm hoping it will hold.
 
Jbranken said:
Your test is already starting to recover, though you'll probably see a drop after you discontinue clomid. Keep running support supps and test boosters and things should level out over time. Your levels are salvageable so that's good news. LH is on the lower end of the norm but not horrible. Unleashed, hcgenerate, methyl EAA, test infusion are all great natural supps that would help here. The most important thing is not to run anything suppressive until you're recovered

Did you get prolactin tested? Would be interesting to see where it's at of you didn't run any caber with your tren
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I definAtely plan to continue running the support supps until everything is kicking again. I got my prolactin tested. It was 4.2 on the very low end so it's not an issue. I ran prolactrone on cycle to keep it in check. I hope you understand my eagerness to jump back in the game. Summer is here and I'm anxious. So I always use the good ol EF advice to keep me thinking straight and not making poor decisions
 
dvoted said:
i aggreee with the others. time off. rinse and repeat :)
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Yeah, thanks. Sometimes the good advice is needed. The excitement of going back on cycle clouds your judgement sometimes. I am stoked for my next cycle but TRT like some other guys on here is not the route I'm looking for.
 
I had/have the same problem. Stevesmi gave me some good advice two weeks ago. I've need running unleashed and test infusion for two weeks

I'm going to stop them next week and in two weeks I'm. Going to get my test levels checked again. I was at 296 total test. :(

Really hoping this fixes my problem
 
tryionlannister said:
I had/have the same problem. Stevesmi gave me some good advice two weeks ago. I've need running unleashed and test infusion for two weeks

I'm going to stop them next week and in two weeks I'm. Going to get my test levels checked again. I was at 296 total test. :(

Really hoping this fixes my problem
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Have you attempted to use clomid? My original pct was without clomid, I wanted to attempt a NTBM pct only but I feel clomid is a valuable tool as it Ina sense jump starts your Hpta and reminds your body how to produce test. Although temporary I'm sure it helps. Let me know what your post bloods are I'm curious. I'll be getting blood done every two weeks until my shit is in check.
 
UPDATE PLEASE HELP
So I got my bloods done today, this is now one month on clomid, I took my blood at the end of my clomid therapy.
Testosterone 686
LH 5.2
FSH 3.2
ESTROGEN 23.4

Okay testosterone and LH look strong. What I found alarming is my FSH. Yes it's within normal 1.5 - 12.7
but it has dropped from 3.4 from 2 weeks ago half way through my clomid therapy. Mood has been great, I feel good, amazing hardons but one thing I noticed was my ejaculation volume is not what it used to be. I'm blaming this on my FSH but ejacualtion volume is the least of my worries I believe. can someone please enlighten me on why my FSH would drop but everything else goes up. (I plan to take bloods again in 2 weeks after being completely off)
 
Hey mike

I'm got my bloods ran again this weekend. My results should be in today. Ill post them here

I've been taking unleashed and test infusion since I got my original tests results back as I was at 296. I stopped taking the natty test boosters this past Monday bc I didn't want to get an inaccurate result

I'm going to have stevemsi look at the as well.

I hope that my test is back to the normal range :(
 
tryionlannister said:
Hey mike

I'm got my bloods ran again this weekend. My results should be in today. Ill post them here

I've been taking unleashed and test infusion since I got my original tests results back as I was at 296. I stopped taking the natty test boosters this past Monday bc I didn't want to get an inaccurate result

I'm going to have stevemsi look at the as well.

I hope that my test is back to the normal range :(
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How are you feeling? Improved mood and libido since your last test? I've been off cycle for 7 months other than a quick S4 cycle. At 390 I believe my levels were on their way back up finally and the clomid just kicked it in the ass. I'll be taking bloods next Wednesday after being off everything for two weeks. I'm just trying to understand why my fsh dropped slightly while on the clomid but my LH went well within normal range. But I'm sure their is no real way to answer that question.

Try this out, I've been doing something lately to help optimize my hormones, this won't give you bias results as you are supposed to be consuming these things anyway. I started supplementing with 3 grams of buffered vitamin C, MSM and Zeolite to detox my liver (important role in horomone production). High dose of NATURAL vitamin D and A. lugol solution of iodine and iodite, magnesium CHLORIDE, and zinc. Don't buy zma products. I've been doing this for three days and SERM free my libido is trough the roof, you never know if you have a deficiency or not, these are all mandatory in good hormone production and regulation and a dirty liver will also cause issues.
 
Lh dropped .4 from April 14
Fsh stayed the same
Estrodiol dropped 5.4 points
Test increased by 102

But now WBC is low and my BUN ratio is high. And I was on hour 15 of my fast when I had these done
 
Your levels are at least within the ballpark of being able to be recovered to middle normal range. A little time and you will have a good chance at full recovery.

I've been battling low test myself. I have felt like total shit since week 2 or 3 of PCT. No energy, no libido, no motivation, depression, etc...

I ran bloods 2 weeks after my PCT finished and it confirmed my suspicions of low test though much lower than I expected. Total test at 122, LH at 1.0, and FSH tanked as well. I will be seeing my doc and getting dome more tests done, but I may be heading for TRT. Recovery just doesn't seem to be happening for me this time despite a thorough PCT. I'm getting close to 40, so TRT may be best for me to feel good and normal again.
 
To be honest I feel the same. My sex drive has never decreased. The only ill affect I've had is excessive tiredness/lethargy. But I have been diagnosed with sleep apnea.
 
I can't see your bloods can you post the numbers for me. Rick you have an idea of why my fsh would slightly decline while my lh almost doubled on clomid? And have you been using clomid yourself?
 
RickRock13 said:
Your levels are at least within the ballpark of being able to be recovered to middle normal range. A little time and you will have a good chance at full recovery.

I've been battling low test myself. I have felt like total shit since week 2 or 3 of PCT. No energy, no libido, no motivation, depression, etc...

I ran bloods 2 weeks after my PCT finished and it confirmed my suspicions of low test though much lower than I expected. Total test at 122, LH at 1.0, and FSH tanked as well. I will be seeing my doc and getting dome more tests done, but I may be heading for TRT. Recovery just doesn't seem to be happening for me this time despite a thorough PCT. I'm getting close to 40, so TRT may be best for me to feel good and normal again.
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Keep your head up, it's difficult to be optimistic when you feel the way you do and your bloods are the way they are. I've been trying to get my test up for 7 months and I'm just now seeing light. Read my last post
 
Mike4705 said:
I can't see your bloods can you post the numbers for me. Rick you have an idea of why my fsh would slightly decline while my lh almost doubled on clomid? And have you been using clomid yourself?
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Original 4/14
Test 296
Lh 4.4
Fsh 2.6
Estradiol 19.2

Now 5/10
Test 398
Lh 4.0
Fsh 2.6
Estradiol 14.8
 
Mike4705 said:
I can't see your bloods can you post the numbers for me. Rick you have an idea of why my fsh would slightly decline while my lh almost doubled on clomid? And have you been using clomid yourself?
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Yeh, I was on Clomid at 50mg per day for my whole PCT. Your LH was probably so high because of the Clomid, since it stimulates LH.
 
Mike4705 said:
Keep your head up, it's difficult to be optimistic when you feel the way you do and your bloods are the way they are. I've been trying to get my test up for 7 months and I'm just now seeing light. Read my last post
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I hear ya man. Im just not used to this feeling post cycle. I normally bounce back very well
 
Ok guys please help me out here. I want to fucking kill myself. As youcan see above I ran a 4 week pct of clomid with bloods and brought my test from 390 to almost 700. I've been off the clomid for almost 5 weeks and my bloods came in this morning.
Testosterone 257
LH 1.3
FSH 1.7

What the fuck.... I want to vomit. Couple questions... Why the fuck did it drop lower than 390 after using the clomid. When my test was at 390 I had ED, felt depressed and was getting fat. I feel great right now (until I saw the results). Question 2. Am I fucked? Is this hrt for life?? Or can I bounce this back since I responded so well to the clomid. I want to have children one day, but there doesn't appear to be a light at the end of the tunnel. I'll run clomid for hrt if I have to. Please help guys
 
Oh and estro was almost kind of low for my normal. It was 16.8 vs the typical mid to late twenties. AND my balls are not atrophied
 
I am also considering running clomid for an extended period to see if that helps. I don't want to sit here with little to no test. I'm not going to a doctor because I don't trust them and I don't want to be on hrt.
I was thinking
25mg Ed for 2 months
25mg EOD/ 12.5mg ED following. I've read a lot of people have good results with this
 
Mike4705 said:
Ok guys please help me out here. I want to fucking kill myself. As youcan see above I ran a 4 week pct of clomid with bloods and brought my test from 390 to almost 700. I've been off the clomid for almost 5 weeks and my bloods came in this morning.
Testosterone 257
LH 1.3
FSH 1.7

What the fuck.... I want to vomit. Couple questions... Why the fuck did it drop lower than 390 after using the clomid. When my test was at 390 I had ED, felt depressed and was getting fat. I feel great right now (until I saw the results). Question 2. Am I fucked? Is this hrt for life?? Or can I bounce this back since I responded so well to the clomid. I want to have children one day, but there doesn't appear to be a light at the end of the tunnel. I'll run clomid for hrt if I have to. Please help guys
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SERM's will temporarily bump your numbers but after you come off thinks crater back to earth. this is why your numbers are poor.

will you bounce back? probably so bro.

your next option now is to try the natty method and to hell with manipulating your numbers

run phyto-serms (see banner and coupon codes in my signature) along with either test infusion or unleashed. do this for the next month. and then test again. i assure you that your numbers will improve.
 
stevesmi said:
SERM's will temporarily bump your numbers but after you come off thinks crater back to earth. this is why your numbers are poor.

will you bounce back? probably so bro.

your next option now is to try the natty method and to hell with manipulating your numbers

run phyto-serms (see banner and coupon codes in my signature) along with either test infusion or unleashed. do this for the next month. and then test again. i assure you that your numbers will improve.
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Awesome, thanks man, just what I expected. Kinda fucking annoying, when my test was 390 it probably would have benefitted me to leave it alone and stay off the clomid. What's done is done and time to finish the long road to recovery. Just shows that recovery ends long after pct, don't let the serms fool you and stay off the juice until things are really good to go. Thanks Steve
 
burnthiscorpse said:
things take time bro. its obvious the tren kicked your ass. I ran 300mg deca wk for 7 weeks (stopped cause of low back cystic acne). ran pct and it still took me 6-8 mos to fully recover from it.
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Yeah fml. This is from a multitude of tren cycles, my recovery times got longer and longer. And I was also running cycles when I "felt good" big mistake, bloods are absolutely mandatory for AAS. I have raging hard ons, morning wood, elevated mood, great workouts. My test is 257. What does that tell you. Get bloods
 
Agree completely,

Bloods are essential. I screwed up by not getting them and then running Sarms after I completed my pct. my test was 296 in April 398 in may. Going to get it checked this week to see where I'm at.

I also agree with you as well. I've always hard raging boners and nerver feel depressed after. Cycle
 
Ya know, my testes respond very well to my LH and FSH. Some post cycle shut down is be quite the opposite although both leads to the same result, low testosterone. My test was a soaring 700+ when my LH is 5.8 (which isn't that high while on clomid) this leads me to believe my "original" test levels were relatively high. This means my testes have fully recovered but my hypothalamus and pituitary gland have NOT. So my question is this: you would think that the testes would be the most affected part of the body from androgen abuse, why would I be struggling on the other end, why is my brain not able to recognize that I have low test?? (I don't mean my case in particular, in general). A simple pulse of LH would put up the charts. While some this is not the case LH is up but not response from the testes.
 
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