Blood Test Results after PCTquestion

[kahunakauai]

Self Background:
46 yrs young
6'1" 232lbs(was 240-242lbs during on-cycle)
225lbs before cycle
BF% not really sure but waistline is 32"
I can pinch a inch of fat from my handle bars

Hitting the iron for 3 years straight. Off and on before that.

See my double bicep picture. Hopefully it uploaded correctly.
Get lots of complements on my guns and V-shaped physique.

Been off cycle for last 10 weeks.
PCT - post cycle therapy - was hcg(total 1000ius every other day followed by clomid ) at the end of a 3 month cycle of Test testosterone propionate and Sus.

Avg weekly TestProp400mg/Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - 400mg(First 8weeks) and SUS weekly 500mg(last 4 weeks).
human growth hormone - somatropin - 2ius ed during entire cycle. hcg 10000 ui's for PCT - post cycle therapy - .

On Cycle results:
Great strength gains and mental drive.
Joints were feeling good.
Wanted to screw every minute of each day.
No bloat.
I was at top of the world!

Off cycle results:
Drop in strength and mental drive.
Slight drop in weight. Maybe just water?
Joints hurt a little.
Sexual drive not as overwhelming and loosing erection during intercourse.


Questions:

1)Are these blood levels to be expected after off cycle for 10 weeks?

2)Are my Testosterone levels still suppressed?
I've been taking ZMA, Tribulus, and Unleashed. During 6 week 50mg clomid every day PCT - post cycle therapy - .
Perhaps my lh - leutenizing hormone - is still suppressed? Should i take Nolva?

3)How do I explain this to my doctor which I am to see today?


I am very curious what the treatment will be for low Testosterone. I'll keep you guys posted.


CBC w/differential/Platelet:

Red Blood Cell (RBC) 5.9 High results..... Normal Range 4.10-5.60
Hemoglobin 17.8 High results..... Normal Range 12.5-17.0
Hematocrit 52.3 High results..... Normal Range 36.0-50.0
Eos 13 High results..... Normal Range 0-7
Eos(Absolute) 0.8 High results..... Normal Range 0.0-0.4

Comp. Metabolic Panel(14):
Creatinine, Serum 1.57 High results..... Normal Range 0.76-1.27
Glom Filt Rate, Est 48 Low results..... Normal Range >59

Testosterone, Free and Total:
Free Testosterone(Direct) 3.6 Low results..... Normal Range 6.8-21.5
Testosterone, Serum 146 Low results..... Normal Range 241-827

Lipid Panel with LDL/HDL ratio:
Cholesterol, Total 203 High results..... Normal Range 100-199
Tryglycerides 203 High results..... Normal Range 0-149
HDL Cholesterol 33 Low results..... Normal Range >39
LDL Cholesterol 129 High results..... Normal Range 0-99

Thanks for your help my iron friends.

 

[Novice1-t]

I'm no expert but most people I see add nolva or clomid to pct.

I just do hcg and nolva I can't tolerate clomid.

They have a testosterone recovery pack from primordial performance I usually take that after cycle + HCG Nolva for about 4 weeks 20 mg a day

Pluss I added diesel test hardcore by diesel test.

When I took everything together I bounced back quick.

The diesel test hardcore I think made the biggest difference just my opinion.

I'm also a bit younger I might bounce back quicker I'm assuming.

Your total test seems a little low. But again I'm no expert, not sure if your suppressed.

There are other things allot of guy's check for in blood work dhea levels, a couple of other important male hormones, not sure of all the names but I think it gives you a better picture of whats going on with your body and recovery.

Just my 2 cents sharing what I know, hope it helps

 

[dmc777]

What did your Doc say?

 

[dmc777]

Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) by Anthony Roberts

Read that article regarding pct. You missed the key component of pct -- nolva

A lot of people are against Nolva around here...and I mean A LOT! But, there is evidence backing it up that it can be really harmful so in the end it's up to you. Do a search on it it's not necessarily a key component. I have a shit load of it for my pct but still debating on whether or not I'm going to use it. I'm thinking about going with 25mgs daily of Clomid instead just to get the swimmers up.

 

[jball82]

Can you give me some info regarding these studies.. im very interested.

A lot of people are against Nolva around here...and I mean A LOT! But, there is evidence backing it up that it can be really harmful so in the end it's up to you. Do a search on it it's not necessarily a key component. I have a shit load of it for my pct but still debating on whether or not I'm going to use it. I'm thinking about going with 25mgs daily of Clomid instead just to get the swimmers up.

 

[dmc777]

Can you give me some info regarding these studies.. im very interested.

Here is a link to one discussion....

Clomid & Nolvadex - The Dark Side - Primordial Performance Discussion Forums

 

[jball82]

wow thanks for the link.. thats scary stuff. I'm using nolva right now at 20mgs a day..yikes.

Here is a link to one discussion....

Clomid & Nolvadex - The Dark Side - Primordial Performance Discussion Forums

 

[Varga]

Self Background:
46 yrs young
6'1" 232lbs(was 240-242lbs during on-cycle)
225lbs before cycle
BF% not really sure but waistline is 32"
I can pinch a inch of fat from my handle bars

Hitting the iron for 3 years straight. Off and on before that.

See my double bicep picture. Hopefully it uploaded correctly.
Get lots of complements on my guns and V-shaped physique.

Been off cycle for last 10 weeks.
PCT - post cycle therapy - was hcg(total 1000ius every other day followed by clomid ) at the end of a 3 month cycle of Test testosterone propionate and Sus.

Avg weekly TestProp400mg/Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - 400mg(First 8weeks) and SUS weekly 500mg(last 4 weeks).
human growth hormone - somatropin - 2ius ed during entire cycle. hcg 10000 ui's for PCT - post cycle therapy - .

On Cycle results:
Great strength gains and mental drive.
Joints were feeling good.
Wanted to screw every minute of each day.
No bloat.
I was at top of the world!

Off cycle results:
Drop in strength and mental drive.
Slight drop in weight. Maybe just water?
Joints hurt a little.
Sexual drive not as overwhelming and loosing erection during intercourse.


Questions:

1)Are these blood levels to be expected after off cycle for 10 weeks?

2)Are my Testosterone levels still suppressed?
I've been taking ZMA, Tribulus, and Unleashed. During 6 week 50mg clomid every day PCT - post cycle therapy - .
Perhaps my lh - leutenizing hormone - is still suppressed? Should i take Nolva?

3)How do I explain this to my doctor which I am to see today?


I am very curious what the treatment will be for low Testosterone. I'll keep you guys posted.


CBC w/differential/Platelet:

Red Blood Cell (RBC) 5.9 High results..... Normal Range 4.10-5.60
Hemoglobin 17.8 High results..... Normal Range 12.5-17.0
Hematocrit 52.3 High results..... Normal Range 36.0-50.0
Eos 13 High results..... Normal Range 0-7
Eos(Absolute) 0.8 High results..... Normal Range 0.0-0.4

Comp. Metabolic Panel(14):
Creatinine, Serum 1.57 High results..... Normal Range 0.76-1.27
Glom Filt Rate, Est 48 Low results..... Normal Range >59

Testosterone, Free and Total:
Free Testosterone(Direct) 3.6 Low results..... Normal Range 6.8-21.5
Testosterone, Serum 146 Low results..... Normal Range 241-827

Lipid Panel with LDL/HDL ratio:
Cholesterol, Total 203 High results..... Normal Range 100-199
Tryglycerides 203 High results..... Normal Range 0-149
HDL Cholesterol 33 Low results..... Normal Range >39
LDL Cholesterol 129 High results..... Normal Range 0-99

Thanks for your help my iron friends.

I dont like some of those results....especially after 10 weeks being off. Are you taking anything now?

BTW, yes you still supressed

 

[kahunakauai]

For the last 2 weeks:

May 1-13:
2000-2500uis HCG EOD totalling 15000ius
Clomid 50mgx2 tablets ED
Policosonal for Cholestrol


BTW I got my LH/FSH just tested April 29th:
LH is .1 range 1.5-9.3
FSH is .6 range 1.4-18.1

I got these results after my initial post of this issue.

I also got my urine creatinine clearance test back and it was cleared. Some say the creatine powder
could've influenced my inital blood test.

I sort of lost my diet discipline and got on the KFC binge which probably explains my high Tryglycerides.

Doctor now wants me to get an MRI on my Pituitary Gland just to clear any signs of tumors to be on the safe side.

Of course, I had not told her I was on the gear. I told her I accidently took pro-hormones which may have suppressed my levels .......

When should I retest is the next question?

Did any of you iron brothers have similar experiences?

I am hoping my levels will return. What do you guys think?

I really miss being on gear but learning to cope.

 

[Varga]

Im not suprised your doc is concerned about your test levels and pituaitary...

THere is not much you can do but wait to see if your pituaitary will start kicking again...if not HRT
At 46 yo wouldnt be a bad choice..IMO

What is concerning to me is that some of your blood work numbers are somewhat high after being off for a while. Dont get me wrong they are not off the chart but high....Im on HRT and cycle all the time even more than you did on your cycle and the same blood work comes back normal 4 weeks after I stop...the only numbers that I battle with too is cholesterol but that's due to gear. In your case the CBC numbers must have been even higher while you were on

I hear you on being off gear...it's hard to deal with it that's why im on all the time!!