Blood Pressure ?

[melochai]

A buddy of mine is wanting to start up again, but his blood pressure is kinda high. It's not dangerously high, just a little elevated. He plans on taking some blood pressure meds to help if it gets too much hiugher. So my question is what kind of reaction, if any, will the blood pressure meds have with the juice. I hate to lose a good friend over something stupid, so thanks for the info.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

juice will raise his BP. Most fo the compounds from what I understand have the tendency to do so. Tell him to get his BP in check before starting AS or better yet not do it at all. what was his BP?

 

[CASS]

i use diovan at 80mgs per day

 

[Selene]

A buddy of mine is wanting to start up again, but his blood pressure is kinda high. It's not dangerously high, just a little elevated. He plans on taking some blood pressure meds to help if it gets too much hiugher. So my question is what kind of reaction, if any, will the blood pressure meds have with the juice. I hate to lose a good friend over something stupid, so thanks for the info.

The AAS will more then likely increase his blood pressure, so he should wait until he is on the bp meds and his pressure is stabilized before using AAS

 

[halfcenturian]

Gear raises most everyones BP. However, some it's 140/90, no big deal. But other guys go waaaay up. My Dr. , who is very cool and knowledgable about gear says, "If you get above 160/100.... your in the red zone." So either go on BP meds, keep it at or below the red zone, or don't do steroids.

 

[todoveritas]

Most AAS will raise the blood pressure. Some worse than others (E.g test, tren, d-bol, Anadrol). If your diastolic rises above 100 then anti-hypertensives are advised. Prinivil, captopril or other ACE-inhibitiors are best choices.

 

[vitamix]

i use diovan at 80mgs per day

Yup. Keeps it low and helps with water retention.

 

[leftie]

A buddy of mine is wanting to start up again, but his blood pressure is kinda high. It's not dangerously high, just a little elevated. He plans on taking some blood pressure meds to help if it gets too much hiugher. So my question is what kind of reaction, if any, will the blood pressure meds have with the juice. I hate to lose a good friend over something stupid, so thanks for the info.

Well you left out some critical information such as his blood pressure starting point, the actual numbers and also any other information about body size/type and history.
IF he were my patient, which he aint, I'd make sure he got his bp under control before he started any AAS.

The reason why blood pressure is raised is because it influences aldosterone, another steroid molecule (cholesterol base rings are steroids including birth control pills). It acts to retain salt in the body, this leads to increased blood pressure.

Now, diovan is a good drug, I usually prescribe altace and take it myself. It is also an ace inhibitor. Which means angiotensin (I,II) inhibitor. Basically another control mediator compound in the kidneys.
Why is an ace inhibitor good? Because the kidney is like a thermostat, some people's are just naturally set high, you take an ace inhibitor to turn down the amount of fluid that is held in the body which relieves fluid pressure in your hydraulic system.
Sort like a release valve, lower the kidney thermostat, lower the fluid and blood pressure.
You can do this in combination with a diuretic and I would recommend a milder one that lasix such as hydroclorothiazide. It works on a different part of the nephronic tube and has more room for error than a loop diuretic such as lasix (less potassium loss).

When you take AAS, it raises the aldosterone which is what angiotensin converting enzyme does a step before, so it basically helps offset the increased level of aldosterone, which leads to less salt retention.

Your buddy can also most likely lower his blood pressure by cutting his salt intake by 1/3. Recent studies have shown that mortality is also decreased by 1/3 when that is does. This lowers blood pressure as well.

Why would you care about bp at all?
Well if you have high blood pressure to begin with, you may be at risk for developing a malignant blood pressure, which is 210/120. Which usually results in death in 3-6months.
It is a rare but serious problem.

Also, with increase of afterload on the heart, the heart is a muscle and responds to steroids as well, it has to lift weights or PUSH against the increase pressure in the arterial system. This leads to a meatball heart, meaning left ventricular hypertrophy. Which leads to several complications, of which I do not feel like typing right now. But the cardiovascular system is my specialty

 

[shaz29]

Well you left out some critical information such as his blood pressure starting point, the actual numbers and also any other information about body size/type and history.
IF he were my patient, which he aint, I'd make sure he got his bp under control before he started any AAS.

The reason why blood pressure is raised is because it influences aldosterone, another steroid molecule (cholesterol base rings are steroids including birth control pills). It acts to retain salt in the body, this leads to increased blood pressure.

Now, diovan is a good drug, I usually prescribe altace and take it myself. It is also an ace inhibitor. Which means angiotensin (I,II) inhibitor. Basically another control mediator compound in the kidneys.
Why is an ace inhibitor good? Because the kidney is like a thermostat, some people's are just naturally set high, you take an ace inhibitor to turn down the amount of fluid that is held in the body which relieves fluid pressure in your hydraulic system.
Sort like a release valve, lower the kidney thermostat, lower the fluid and blood pressure.
You can do this in combination with a diuretic and I would recommend a milder one that lasix such as hydroclorothiazide. It works on a different part of the nephronic tube and has more room for error than a loop diuretic such as lasix (less potassium loss).

When you take AAS, it raises the aldosterone which is what angiotensin converting enzyme does a step before, so it basically helps offset the increased level of aldosterone, which leads to less salt retention.

Your buddy can also most likely lower his blood pressure by cutting his salt intake by 1/3. Recent studies have shown that mortality is also decreased by 1/3 when that is does. This lowers blood pressure as well.

Why would you care about bp at all?
Well if you have high blood pressure to begin with, you may be at risk for developing a malignant blood pressure, which is 210/120. Which usually results in death in 3-6months.
It is a rare but serious problem.

Also, with increase of afterload on the heart, the heart is a muscle and responds to steroids as well, it has to lift weights or PUSH against the increase pressure in the arterial system. This leads to a meatball heart, meaning left ventricular hypertrophy. Which leads to several complications, of which I do not feel like typing right now. But the cardiovascular system is my specialty

are u a doc?

 

[ironclaw]

A buddy of mine is wanting to start up again, but his blood pressure is kinda high. It's not dangerously high, just a little elevated. He plans on taking some blood pressure meds to help if it gets too much hiugher. So my question is what kind of reaction, if any, will the blood pressure meds have with the juice. I hate to lose a good friend over something stupid, so thanks for the info.

he should definitly get the bp under control with some otc supplements or prescribed meds before he starts a cycle. and then just monitor it and make sure youre not getting ready to stroke out or something. MY bp has been a problem over the past couple of months, my doc put me on meds, 2 different ones at that, and its back under control now. There shouldnt be any reactions from the bp meds and the gear.

 

[leftie]

are u a doc?

I am a doctor in Romania in internal medicine, in the U.S.A, I am a physician assistant specializing in cardiac medicine and work in place of the cardiologists on routine matters and assist in specialized procedure in the cath lab. I work in cardiology practice in U.S.A. and see patients everyday

 

[shaz29]

I am a doctor in Romania in internal medicine, in the U.S.A, I am a physician assistant specializing in cardiac medicine and work in place of the cardiologists on routine matters and assist in specialized procedure in the cath lab. I work in cardiology practice in U.S.A. and see patients everyday

cool... i saw my cardiologist on thursday... ive been having chest pains for the last 9 months.. have been off work becoz of it.. i had an echo and a treadmill test, he said echo is ok and my treadmill test is one of the best he's seen in his life... he said i have close to zero chance of having heart disease at my age (32), and that it definately is not my heart... but im still getting sharp pins like feeling on my chest .. it comes and goes.. the cardiologist said that its just pain of the chest wall

 

[leftie]

cool... i saw my cardiologist on thursday... ive been having chest pains for the last 9 months.. have been off work becoz of it.. i had an echo and a treadmill test, he said echo is ok and my treadmill test is one of the best he's seen in his life... he said i have close to zero chance of having heart disease at my age (32), and that it definately is not my heart... but im still getting sharp pins like feeling on my chest .. it comes and goes.. the cardiologist said that its just pain of the chest wall

Yes, I have conducted thousands of the test you had done. In fact, I do them dozens a time per week.

First off, it is a non-invasive test, meaning we do not invade your body which is a good thing.
Secondly it is far cheaper than an invading your body where we access usually your femoral artery in your groin, run a catheter up to the heart and inject iodine and take an xray of it.

BUT, the angiogram is the gold standard, but like 10,000$

A stress echo is ALOT cheaper, although we make no money on it, it is a screening test for people who need an angiogram where we do.

NOW, it is about 85% accurate than you have a blockage that has grown large enough to restrict flow to the heart.

IT IS ALMOST 100% ACCURATE IF YOU HAVE ONE FOOT ON A BANANA PEEL!


SO it's a good test.

There is no way to see the coronary arteries besides an ultrafast 64 slice ct, or an angiogram.

So you look at the muscle as it responds to exercise. The heart SHOULD get more vigorous with exercise as you put a load on it. If the heart has a blockage in an artery, meaning one of the fuel lines is half clogged, when the muscle needs more gas to perform, the clog prevents that. So the muscle itself runs out of gas.

First you will see that on the ECG before you stop exercising, then you take pictures afterwards and compare rest vs post.
The result should be all segments of muscle being more active. IF, one section stops moving that means you can offer that somewhere along the line, there is a restrictive clog.

Then you flunk and they move you on to the angiogram which is the 'gold standard' and can really see if there is a problem.

At your age, you probably have growths in your coronary arteries due to the western diet of processed food and sugar, bread, pasta etc....
We know this by doing autopsies on 18 year soldiers of vietnam kids and notice the start of the disease process.

This is a disease of civilization. It follows the 20 year rule, google it, but it explains how diabetes and cardiac disease starts about 20 years after being contacted by civilized culture who supply simpler foods that are process.

You must follow your blood levels and btw, at your age it is highly unlikely based on the Framingham study that you have heart disease, and most likely chest wall or gerd (heartburn)..

I'll leave you with this.

The thoracic cavity is like no other in terms of pain. IF, I took a ball peen hammer out and hit one of your toes, you could goddam tell me which one it was.

That is not true with the pain wiring in the thorax. Meaning, I could reach inside of your chest cavity with a needle nose plier and pinch some tissue. You may feel it your chin, your arm, your back. Its referred pain.

Makes it all so difficult to diagnose true heart pain, but no one should wait as time is muscle and morbidity and mortality.

In general though, angina is derived from the greek word 'to strangle'. People feel chest pressure or chest tightness.
If it is sharp pain, then whewwww, most likely not the heart, which is dull

 

[shaz29]

Yes, I have conducted thousands of the test you had done. In fact, I do them dozens a time per week.

First off, it is a non-invasive test, meaning we do not invade your body which is a good thing.
Secondly it is far cheaper than an invading your body where we access usually your femoral artery in your groin, run a catheter up to the heart and inject iodine and take an xray of it.

BUT, the angiogram is the gold standard, but like 10,000$

A stress echo is ALOT cheaper, although we make no money on it, it is a screening test for people who need an angiogram where we do.

NOW, it is about 85% accurate than you have a blockage that has grown large enough to restrict flow to the heart.

IT IS ALMOST 100% ACCURATE IF YOU HAVE ONE FOOT ON A BANANA PEEL!


SO it's a good test.

There is no way to see the coronary arteries besides an ultrafast 64 slice ct, or an angiogram.

So you look at the muscle as it responds to exercise. The heart SHOULD get more vigorous with exercise as you put a load on it. If the heart has a blockage in an artery, meaning one of the fuel lines is half clogged, when the muscle needs more gas to perform, the clog prevents that. So the muscle itself runs out of gas.

First you will see that on the ECG before you stop exercising, then you take pictures afterwards and compare rest vs post.
The result should be all segments of muscle being more active. IF, one section stops moving that means you can offer that somewhere along the line, there is a restrictive clog.

Then you flunk and they move you on to the angiogram which is the 'gold standard' and can really see if there is a problem.

At your age, you probably have growths in your coronary arteries due to the western diet of processed food and sugar, bread, pasta etc....
We know this by doing autopsies on 18 year soldiers of vietnam kids and notice the start of the disease process.

This is a disease of civilization. It follows the 20 year rule, google it, but it explains how diabetes and cardiac disease starts about 20 years after being contacted by civilized culture who supply simpler foods that are process.

You must follow your blood levels and btw, at your age it is highly unlikely based on the Framingham study that you have heart disease, and most likely chest wall or gerd (heartburn)..

I'll leave you with this.

The thoracic cavity is like no other in terms of pain. IF, I took a ball peen hammer out and hit one of your toes, you could goddam tell me which one it was.

That is not true with the pain wiring in the thorax. Meaning, I could reach inside of your chest cavity with a needle nose plier and pinch some tissue. You may feel it your chin, your arm, your back. Its referred pain.

Makes it all so difficult to diagnose true heart pain, but no one should wait as time is muscle and morbidity and mortality.

In general though, angina is derived from the greek word 'to strangle'. People feel chest pressure or chest tightness.
If it is sharp pain, then whewwww, most likely not the heart, which is dull

wow thats a lot of info... thanks... anyway i'm pretty certain it cant be my heart.. prior to me seeing the cardiologist i have been to the ER about 20 times and have had approx 20 EGS (all normal), blood tests, xrays and even a VQ scan.. everything was normal... cardiologist said he will arrange one more test and thats going to be an endoscopy to see if its something in my stomach thats causing the chest pain

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Sounds like a mild case of anxiety too. Go and see a GI doc. you may have a hiatel hernia