blasting throught genetic potential.

[telly savalas]

Alot of you guys talk bad about someone wanting to use AAS to lose fat.

You say to use aas as a way to blast past your genetic potetial LBM wise.

What if a guy has genetics that likes to store fat, keeping him at 13% his whole life, no matter what diet he is on?

are you saying that a cutting cycle of anavar will not help?


What would you suggest this guy do?

 

[satchboogie]

i dont think anybody is 'genetically' stuck at 13%.

perhaps its harder for one to burn fat than another, but its possible with the right diet/training and drive!

 

[fit2beking]

i dont think anybody is 'genetically' stuck at 13%.

perhaps its harder for one to burn fat than another, but its possible with the right diet/training and drive!

What if that number was different? What if it was 7,8,9 or 10% would your answer be the same?

 

[hanibal]

consistant, clean dieting w/ cardio and hard training will get u under 13%. anavar will help, more so, once you are at 10% or below. the only compound i know of that will cut u down without changing your diet much is tren and gh.

 

[hanibal]

also clen and t3 will help alot. do 30min cardio in am on mt stomach 4-5 days a week and u will lose fat quickly. throw in these 2 w/ anavar and u have a nice little cutting cycle. be sure u know how to use each safely.

 

[Makavelli]

i dont think anybody is 'genetically' stuck at 13%.

perhaps its harder for one to burn fat than another, but its possible with the right diet/training and drive!

Satch is right on. Humans were not made to be fat. You're telling me that you are eating perfect ratios and in a caloric deficit and you're not losing body fat? Well then you are the exception to the human race and should dedicate your body to science so they can figure out how that's possible.

Seriously though if you were starving on a deserted island, do you still think your body fat wouldn't drop below 13%? I hope you get my point.

 

[satchboogie]

What if that number was different? What if it was 7,8,9 or 10% would your answer be the same?

good question...

but there isnt a reason why you cant get down to 5%....
ask yourself this..
if at 8% bodyfat, youre starved for 30 days on 1000 cals a day... would you get down to 4-5%?

i think yes.

 

[fit2beking]

good question...

but there isnt a reason why you cant get down to 5%....
ask yourself this..
if at 8% bodyfat, youre starved for 30 days on 1000 cals a day... would you get down to 4-5%?

i think yes.

Yes you could. But at what cost? There has to be a point where a person can reach their genetic limit in BF% and if they lose any more BF then muscle will be at stake. My question is where is that marker? Does it differ from one person to the next? And, if it does then someone at 7 or 8% BF may be at their genetic limit. Anything above or should I say below that is wasting valuable muscle away.

 

[satchboogie]

Yes you could. But at what cost? There has to be a point where a person can reach their genetic limit in BF% and if they lose any more BF then muscle will be at stake. My question is where is that marker? Does it differ from one person to the next? And, if it does then someone at 7 or 8% BF may be at their genetic limit. Anything above or should I say below that is wasting valuable muscle away.

i think anybody can get down to 6%...
goin under that and MAINTAINING is a different story.

bump for ulter or the other super freaks...

 

[karachi183]

I would like to add that in some it's not so much that people are born fat but that you are what you eat and to that effect what your mother ate during pregnancy. Genetics gets passed along and with that bieng said tell a summo guy to get down to 13% or under and see if that's even remotely possible.

 

[telly savalas]

I've eaten a clean diet for over a year now. Tweaking the calories about every 3 months I don't see results. I'm down below 1800 calories (I'm 6' 200lbs)

When I dropped the calories 3 months ago, I lost about 8 pounds in 2 weeks, while gaining strength. But after that, I lost nothing...3 months later, I'm still only 8 pounds lighter.

I've frequented every diet board on the net. Nothing helps.
I'm going to a nutritionist next week.

 

[telly savalas]

bump for help

 

[Outtlaw]

For one, I think your calories are too low. Are you doing this au natural, or enhanced??

 

[redbear]

For one, I think your calories are too low. Are you doing this au natural, or enhanced??

I think you should study some threads on proper training and eating. then the gear will take you that much further. (research)

 

[Outtlaw]

I think you should study some threads on proper training and eating. then the gear will take you that much further. (research)

Are you replying to me or telly salavas??

 

[monster2929]

13% not all that bad lol

 

[redbear]

I`m replying to telly. Did`nt i give you K.

 

[telly savalas]

au natural.

Nothing else seemed to work, so that is why my cals are around 1800.

 

[SgtSlaughter]

au natural.

Nothing else seemed to work, so that is why my cals are around 1800.

I would go with the Theory that you are only providing 1800 calories... consistantly (I ASSUME), therefore your body is holding onto fat for dear life because it thinks it's starving... you need to flucuate your diet... like a squirrel dodging a truck... change it up to get away from it. Have a cheat day every once in a while, that is CLEAN... but to just provide your body with some nutritional stimuli that confuses it. That is, only to say if your cardio and training are in line with your goal.

- SLAUGHTER

 

[telly savalas]

I've switched to circuit training, in hopes it would boost it. But like I said, it only lasted for about 2 weeks.


I don't do cardio anymore, I used to train (boxing) for about 5h/wk on days I didn't lift.
At 13% I don't see why I should have to do cardio.

I'm tired of being a fatass. Starving myself, or even eating too much - nothing seems to work.


MY Diet:



Cal/fat/carb/protein

0730
.5c steel cut oats
.5c blueberries
.5c skim milk
Totals 386 6 67 18

1030
11oz low sodium V8 juice
2t all natural peanut butter
Totals 101 4 16 4

1250
small apple
6oz turkey (deli)
2 slices Whole wheat bread
.25c raw spinach
.5c skim milk
Totals 420 6 52 43

1600
1small orange
1 reduced fat string cheese
Totals 131 6 13 7

2000
1c Whole Wheat Pasta
6oz grilled chicken breast (boneless/skinless)
1c brussel sprouts

Totals 497 7 60 52

2200
.5c steel cut oats
.5c blueberries
.5c skim milk
Totals 386 6 67 18





TOTAL INTAKE-
Calories – 1920
Fat- 16.4%
Carb- 57.3%
Protein- 29.6%

 

[Outtlaw]

It's obvious why you've hit a plateau based on the info you just posted. You dont even do any type of cardio. Slaughter gave you some good info. Go look around on the diet board and try and learn something from the examples there.

 

[surferstar]

It's obvious why you've hit a plateau based on the info you just posted. You dont even do any type of cardio. Slaughter gave you some good info. Go look around on the diet board and try and learn something from the examples there.

What really defines a persons plateau? Is it really that you just can't get any bigger or lose body fat? That you put endless amounts of effort and months/yrs of research and ate to the exact caloric intake? OR......... Is it that we just look for a faster and more efficient or shortcut to get to where we want to be and just call it a plateau or say there's boundries and limits. I don't think theres a doctor or research facility that can claim, that your body has an exact genetic limit. Obviously if your an extreme hardgainer your not going to become a 250lb beast without AAS, or could you? I think we ask alot of questions thinking that we are doing everything we can to obtain our goals when we're really not or we're just saying it hoping for a cheat or shortcut along the way. The only way is to pay the price.
Please let me know if you feel I am wrong.

Surf*

 

[Outtlaw]

What really defines a persons plateau? Is it really that you just can't get any bigger or lose body fat? That you put endless amounts of effort and months/yrs of research and ate to the exact caloric intake? OR......... Is it that we just look for a faster and more efficient or shortcut to get to where we want to be and just call it a plateau or say there's boundries and limits. I don't think theres a doctor or research facility that can claim, that your body has an exact genetic limit. Obviously if your an extreme hardgainer your not going to become a 250lb beast without AAS, or could you? I think we ask alot of questions thinking that we are doing everything we can to obtain our goals when we're really not or we're just saying it hoping for a cheat or shortcut along the way. The only way is to pay the price.
Please let me know if you feel I am wrong.

Surf*

I have no idea what you're talking about. I dont identify a plateau as a genetic limitation. To me its just a point where things stop progressing (or begin to level off) and you need to change things up in order to continue making progress.

 

[surferstar]

I have no idea what you're talking about. I dont identify a plateau as a genetic limitation. To me its just a point where things stop progressing (or begin to level off) and you need to change things up in order to continue making progress.

LOL sorry outlaw wasn't meant to comment on your post was meant to go WITH your post. Was refferring to the thread starter. I agreed with you.

 

[surferstar]

Meaning that when most people think they are at their limit, meanwhile all they have to do is be more disipline and seek more information to improve on their goals and work harder and pay the price and that there really isn't any shortcut to doing things right. I should have just skipped all the rest and just said that. lol
K to u