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Black Jack and card counting

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Anyone in here familiar with card counting in Black jack?
This is a really cool way to make some big buck and could be a way of living if you are good at..

If you are interested and have a little time to read this, you will get an idea and maybe you might even try it!

In case you wonder read up this:
http://www.blackjackcenter.com/blackjack4.html
 
It's also a really good way of getting kicked out of legal casinos and getting your butt kicked in illegal ones.
 
big4life said:
It's also a really good way of getting kicked out of legal casinos and getting your butt kicked in illegal ones.

nope!
Not everywhere..Atlantic casino willnot kcik you out..


Nevada on the other hand if they find out hey may frown upon and politely invite you to leave their premises..

It takes a good pro to get himslef undetected..ANyway it is not illegal per se, just a casino POV to saveguard their assets from those pros...
 
Canuck4 said:
How they know if you're counting cards in your head?:confused:

A card counter will play for a several hours, so in this time he will bet low or high depending on the count..Any count more than+2 will have an increase bet..

If for some reason you will arise suspicions, the pit boss and the eye in the sky will be watching all your moves ....

the way you bet , the way you behave,sometimes you may have to use an excuse to leave the table ,several times, because the count is too low an any betting will be counter productive.

it takes time to lay out one's strategy and make some good bucks..


If you read up you will see what a low and high count mean..Some will even use some electronical devices hidden on their shoes and along their legs in order to keep the count...
 
Sorry guys, but counting cards by memory only is impossible.


Most casino's are using 8 decks to deal...some use 10.
 
Card counting is quite possible by memory. It just depends on how much info you are able to store mentally.

First thing you need to learn is how to use "offsets" in your game. That is, the ability to recognize cards that cancel each other out, thus freeing up your mind to concentrate on other areas. The best thing for a novice is to learn what is called the "basic strategy" first. This basic knowledge will allow you to play "even" with the house oddswise.

Card counting, depending on your skill level, can add up to 5% of an edge for you over the house.
 
Card counting can be done regardless of the number of decks. When you play from a 6 deck shoe you are counting certain cards as equaling a -1 and others as being a positive 1. There are some cards in the middle that are neutral. If you get a king for example that places the count at -1. If that is followed up by a 2 that would be a positive 1 which places the overall count at 0. You keep that running total going. It is difficult to do at first, but it just takes time to get used to it.

If a pit boss suspects that you are counting, he will beginning counting cards in the same deck. If your betting strategy starts to mimic the count in the cards, they may have a conversation with you.

Zen
 
ZenMachine said:
Card counting can be done regardless of the number of decks. When you play from a 6 deck shoe you are counting certain cards as equaling a -1 and others as being a positive 1. There are some cards in the middle that are neutral. If you get a king for example that places the count at -1. If that is followed up by a 2 that would be a positive 1 which places the overall count at 0. You keep that running total going. It is difficult to do at first, but it just takes time to get used to it.

If a pit boss suspects that you are counting, he will beginning counting cards in the same deck. If your betting strategy starts to mimic the count in the cards, they may have a conversation with you.

Zen

That was what I was talking about!
 
Canuck4 said:
How they know if you're counting cards in your head?:confused:

Counting cards does not require "playing for hours".

It's quite easy to catch card counters, they have pitt boss software that notifies the pit boss of card counters.

If you consistantly bet low, and then begin betting high when the cards are in your favor and then bet low when the cards run cold, you can bet that you'll be kicked out for counting.
 
Code said:


Counting cards does not require "playing for hours".

It's quite easy to catch card counters, they have pitt boss software that notifies the pit boss of card counters.

If you consistantly bet low, and then begin betting high when the cards are in your favor and then bet low when the cards run cold, you can bet that you'll be kicked out for counting.

WTF you talking about when you said "Counting cards does not require "playing for hours"?

Do you think that you can stay there for 30 min and leave with big dough?

It takes more than an hour to really get your game going and start making good profit..

PS
I do this shit and I know for a fact..Maybe I am not very good but i am getting there ..I also known some pros who do this shit....
 
I want to meet someone who can accurately count cards and use the technique (other than simple odds) to guess the value of the card being drawn.

I've played a LOT of blackjack....i also know people who claim to be able to count cards...all a bunch of BS.

with 10 decks, it is an impossibility
 
You are missing the point. Counting cards doesn't make you absolutely sure what card is coming out next. What it does is allows the player to bet more or less based upon the probable outcomes. If the deck has a larger amount of 10 valued cards, then the bets increase.

Card counting is often shown in movies and TV shows as being the way to get rich or whatever, when in reality it only changes the odds slightly to the players favor.

Of course the house doesn't like this, that is why they show you the door.
 
This will shed some light and dispel some mith about memorizing all cards..
It also explain how you do a "true count" with 6 or 8 decks...It is harder but if you are not areal pro( I am NOt) better stick with 2 or 3 decks ...

Card Counting
Let me dispel a couple of myths about card counting right away. Card counters do not memorize every card they have seen dealt out of a deck or shoe. Card counting also does not allow a player to magically know what card will be dealt out the deck or shoe next. If you see some guy take a hit on his hard nineteen against a dealers 10 and he receives a two for a total of 21, it doesn't mean that he is an expert card counter. It means he is either a drunk, a fool, or he managed to see the dealers hole card; it doesn't mean he is a card counter, as a card counter would never do such a reckless thing. Yes, if the cards were dealt down to the last few in the deck, a good card counter would probably know what card is likely to come next. But in the real world of casino blackjack you will never be involved in a game where the cards are dealt down to the last remaining cards. The reason for this is simple; it would give a huge advantage to the card counter and obviously any casino you play in will take measures to insure that this type of situation won't occur.

But that doesn't mean that card counting can't be done, or that it can't be very useful or profitable to a blackjack player.

I will be discussing two methods of card counting on this page. The first one is a true card counting system, but it takes work to master it. The second one is what I call 'casual' card counting and it is something which is pretty easy to do. But its important to read this entire section to understand what card counting is all about and how to use it to your advantage.


The basic premise of card counting is that a deck or shoe that is 'rich' in face cards and aces (IE: a high percentage of these cards) favors the player over the dealer. This is true for several reasons.


A player receiving a 'natural', an ace and a ten-point card, is paid 3-2 on his original bet, whereas the dealer only wins the wager if he or she has blackjack.

If the dealer receives a poor hand as the original two cards (IE: a point count of 12 to 16), they must draw another card and they are more likely to bust if the deck or shoe is rich in face cards. Remember, you don't have to hit these hands if you don't want to; the dealer however must.

With a two card hand totaling 9, 10, 11, the dealer can't double in a a high card rich deck, but you can.

With an abundance of face cards there will be more blackjacks and pat hands (IE: 17-21) dealt.

As in basic strategy computer simulations, it has been mathematically proven that a deck or shoe rich in face cards is favorable to the player. A deck or shoe rich in low cards however, will always favor the dealer.

On the other hand, when the number of low value cards far outnumber the face cards and aces, a blackjack player can choose to modify his or her split and double down decisions, since the chances of winning these hands are reduced when a low card is dealt to the player after a split or double down.
To sum it up, card counters use a betting system, or strategy, of betting their smallest wagers when the deck or shoe is rich in low points cards, since their chances of winning in this case are reduced. When the deck or shoe is rich in high cards the card counter will increase their original bet since their chances of winning are now increased.

So how does a blackjack player actually count cards? Well, there are many different techniques that have been researched and invented to keep track of the cards played from a deck or a shoe. Some of these techniques are difficult to master, while some are easy to learn and master. Here again, computer simulations of the many different methods of card counting have shown that some of the easiest card counting systems to learn are just as effective as the more traditional and complicated methods are.


Hi-Low System
One of the most popular card counting systems currently in use is the point count system, also known as Hi-Low. This system is based on assigning a point value of +1, 0, or -1 to every card dealt to all players on the table, including the dealer. Each card is assigned its own specific point value. Aces and 10-point cards are assigned a value of -1. Cards 7, 8, 9 each count as 0. Cards 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 each count as +1.
As the cards are dealt, the player mentally keeps a running count of the cards exposed, and makes wagering decisions based on the current count total.


The higher the plus count, IE: the higher percentage of ten-point cards and aces remaining to be dealt, means that the advantage is to player and he/she should increase their wager.

If the running count is around zero, the deck or shoe is neutral and neither the player nor the dealer has an advantage.

The higher the minus count, the greater disadvantage is to the player, as a higher than normal number of 'stiff' cards remain to be dealt. In this case a player should be making their minimum wager or leave the table.
As the dealing of the cards progresses, the credibility of the count becomes more accurate, and the size of the player's wager can be increased or decreased with a better probability of winning when the deck or shoe is rich in in face cards and aces, and betting and losing less when the deck is rich in 'stiff' cards.

It is important to note that a players decision process, when to hit, stand, double down, etc. is still based on basic strategy. Remember, you MUST learn basic strategy. However, alterations in basic strategy play is sometimes recommended based on the current card count. For example, if the running count is +2 or greater and you have a hard 16 against a dealers up card of ten, you should stand, which is a direct violation of basic strategy. But considering that the deck or shoe is rich in face cards you are more likely to bust in this situation, thus you ignore basic strategy and stand. Another example is to always take insurance when the count is +3 or greater. For the most part however, you should stick with basic strategy and use the card count as an indication of when to increase or decrease the amount of your bet, as that is the whole strategy behind card counting.

Generally speaking, if the point count is +2 or greater in a single deck game you should increase your initial bet.

In a multiple deck game your wager should be increased when the 'TRUE COUNT' is +2 or more. What's the difference between a running count in a single deck game versus the true count in a multiple deck game? The true count in a multiple deck game is based on the actual number of decks left to be played. For example, in a single deck game if the first six cards dealt are small cards you have a running count total of +6, which is a nice advantage to the player. If the first six cards dealt in a multiple deck game are all small cards you also have a running count of +6. However, this doesn't add up to the same advantage because you have several decks in the shoe left to be dealt, therefore you must use a true count as your basis of increasing your wager. If you're at a six-deck game, and the first six cards are small ones, the count per remaining deck (the true count) is actually just a bit over 1, since there is just a bit less than 6 decks remaining to be played.

To determine the true count, divide the 'running' count by the number of decks remaining to be played. What this means is the number of decks left, whether they'll actually be played or not. In a six-deck game for example, a deck or more may be cut off by the dealer after the shuffle, but that means nothing when computing true count. Now figuring out the actual number of decks remaining isn't as difficult as you might think. Simply observe how many cards are in the discard tray. Using a six-deck game for an example, if you see about 2 decks in the discard tray you then have four decks left to be played. So at this point a running count of +8 translates into a true count of 2 because there are four decks left in the shoe. IE: Running count of 8 is divided by number of decks remaining, in this case 4, and the result is 2. 8 divided by 4 = 2. The dealer may shuffle before all four of those remaining decks have been played, but for true count conversion that doesn't matter.
 
The following system can be used my less experienced BJ players and it is easier to master..Like everything else practice makes perfect..

Casual Card Counting
Casual card counting is just that, casual. It doesn't take a lot of concentration or mathematical calculations, and demands little use of your memory.
You already know that a deck rich in face cards is an advantage to the player. All you need to do is casually observe the flow of cards coming out of a deck or shoe. For example, if you are playing a multiple deck shoe and after a few hands you observe that very few face cards or aces were played you have a situation where the next hand will probably be good for the player. Thus, you increase your bet.

The key to this system is to look for extremes. The absence or predominance of exposed high cards is easily noticeable by casual observation. Often you will play several hands where the mix of face cards and low value cards are relatively even. But when you see a noticeable absence of high value cards you should increase your next wager.

Casual card counting is something you should always do unless you are following a strict card counting system such as the Hi-Low system. It won't guarantee winners for you on every hand, but it will give you a slight advantage.


Happy betting:D :D
 
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