another great thread! I, unfortunately, have finally found a Tatyana post I don't completely agree with....I know plenty, PLENTY of natural BB'ers who have a TOUGH TIME staying even remotely hard all year long. THey are experts at cycling their diets...and peaking at the right time....and maybe holding onto it longer than gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - 'ers...but far from year round. I do think that the Protein Factory and Primordial supps are great alternatives...and with the RIGHT DIET and continued training.... can stay pretty damn lean..... I've never been there. But I WILL BE THERE...U JUST WATCH THE CHANGE!!!