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Best single steroid for cutting cycle?

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pds999

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If you had to choose a single steroid (oral or injectable) for a cutting cycle which would it be? Goal would be to lose some body fat and keep any muscle already gained (and preferably build a little too if possible so anything mildly androgenic might be preferable).
 
Greatercow said:
lol those " what steroid should i use to cut " keep pouring like crazy around summer time in here :P
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I have my own thoughts from my own research, just looking to prompt a debate.

As for Summer, I am just at the start of a growth cycle (test-e) so won't be doing this for some time anyway.
 
sweed said:
What are your stats bro??
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5'11, 180lbs, 15% body fat, 34 years old. Currently at the beginning of a test-e cycle so by the time I would be looking at a cutting cycle I hope to be around 190-195 lbs.
 
Greatercow said:
test + var + DIET + CARDIO :)
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I am doing a test-e cycle now and do cardio twice a week. I am confused about using test to cut though. I am finding I am retaining water and putting on a little fat on the test? Anavar I have read a lot about, seems clinically proven too and is mildly androgenic (always a bonus). Thanks.
 
pds999 said:
I am doing a test-e cycle now and do cardio twice a week. I am confused about using test to cut though. I am finding I am retaining water and putting on a little fat on the test? Anavar I have read a lot about, seems clinically proven too and is mildly androgenic (always a bonus). Thanks.
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your diet is putting the fat on you
 
JNEF said:
your diet is putting the fat on you
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Even assuming restricting the cals though, I assume test will aromatise and more estrogen = water/fat retention (unless you use an aromatase inhibitor). Interesting thoughts though as I hadn't considered test and that would be much easier for me than Anavar (which I had considered).
 
pds999 said:
Even assuming restricting the cals though, I assume test will aromatise and more estrogen = water/fat retention (unless you use an aromatase inhibitor). Interesting thoughts though as I hadn't considered test and that would be much easier for me than Anavar (which I had considered).
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always use an ai if estro is a problem (no matter what keep it on hand)

when i cut, i lose bf no matter what (even if i am carrying a bit of water on cycle) diet will determine how much you will lose. the test is there to make sure keep you muscle in a restricted caloric state.

i always cut with test

remember aas is used to hold on to your muscle durring a cuting phase, not to lose the fat for you - thats where your diet and other sups come into play.
 
JNEF said:
always use an ai if estro is a problem (no matter what keep it on hand)

when i cut, i lose bf no matter what (even if i am carrying a bit of water on cycle) diet will determine how much you will lose. the test is there to make sure keep you muscle in a restricted caloric state.

i always cut with test

remember aas is used to hold on to your muscle durring a cuting phase, not to lose the fat for you - thats where your diet and other sups come into play.
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Thanks for the info.
 
pds999 said:
Thanks for the info.
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np, just remember DIET DIET DIET and if you need that lil bit of extra push, lipoflame is good place to start but eca is my drug of choice when cutting - the caffeine helps keep the appetite down durring a cutting phase as well.
 
JNEF said:
np, just remember DIET DIET DIET and if you need that lil bit of extra push, lipoflame is good place to start but eca is my drug of choice when cutting - the caffeine helps keep the appetite down durring a cutting phase as well.
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Thanks. I guess at present my goal is to build some size so my diet is twice normal cals and twice normal protein (while on my current test-e cycle) so easy to assume that test will always cause the bloating I currently have. Diet is the key as you say, and of course the cardio. I asked the original question as I want a cutting cycle next. So in theory I could run test-e again with moderation of diet and more cardio.
 
JNEF said:
np, just remember DIET DIET DIET and if you need that lil bit of extra push, lipoflame is good place to start but eca is my drug of choice when cutting - the caffeine helps keep the appetite down durring a cutting phase as well.
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btw getting from 15-10% is cake, itll just take consistency

pm me what you're eating in a day, ill help you out bro
 
Well JNEF pretty much nailed everything. You should be good to go. how much water are you drinking per day??
 
pds999 said:
test to cut?
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The only AAS you should run on its own is test, and that being said, test base, no ester, at 25 to 50mg 2 times a day for 6 to 8 weeks. If I didnt mind all the pinning with 1 to 1.5 inch pins, 22 gauge, this would be the ideal single injectable compound cycle, IMHO.
But tren/prop is king of kings of cutting cycles. Again, IMHO.
 
nickster#1 said:
The only AAS you should run on its own is test, and that being said, test base, no ester, at 25 to 50mg 2 times a day for 6 to 8 weeks. If I didnt mind all the pinning with 1 to 1.5 inch pins, 22 gauge, this would be the ideal single injectable compound cycle, IMHO.
But tren/prop is king of kings of cutting cycles. Again, IMHO.
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What about test-e on its own?
 
pds999 said:
5'11, 180lbs, 15% body fat, 34 years old. Currently at the beginning of a test-e cycle so by the time I would be looking at a cutting cycle I hope to be around 190-195 lbs.
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I am all for getting their faster but 5'11 180 tells me you need to train harder and eat more food. Also at 5'11 180 15% body fat their is not much their to cut bro.
 
drsketch said:
I am all for getting their faster but 5'11 180 tells me you need to train harder and eat more food. Also at 5'11 180 15% body fat their is not much their to cut bro.
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Totally agree, I have just pretty much doubled my cals/protein since doing my research (and starting the test-e cycle).
 
pds999 said:
What about test-e on its own?
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You original question was what is the best single compound, oral or injectable, to use for a cutting cycle. Test-e has a long ester attached to it, and will also cause more of an estrogen rebound than say TNE (test no ester) or prop for that matter.
And being 5'11" 180LBs, 15% BF means that you have 27LBs of fat. If you was to drop 15LBs of that, you would be sitting at 165LBs, 5'11", not a real big guy. You know that you cant turn fat cells into muscle cells, so you have around 10LBs of excess stored energy to utilize. Using test-e will be fine as long as your diet is formulated and taylored to doing a cutter cycle, but again, no ester test, or even prop, is your best bet for a single compound cycle for cutting. But if I was you, I would go with a long estered test like enanthate and eat real clean, caloric intake for you should be around 3000 cals aday. If you need to know how to break it down as to what to eat for whatever your goals are, check out the diet forum.
 
nickster#1 said:
You original question was what is the best single compound, oral or injectable, to use for a cutting cycle. Test-e has a long ester attached to it, and will also cause more of an estrogen rebound than say TNE (test no ester) or prop for that matter.
And being 5'11" 180LBs, 15% BF means that you have 27LBs of fat. If you was to drop 15LBs of that, you would be sitting at 165LBs, 5'11", not a real big guy. You know that you cant turn fat cells into muscle cells, so you have around 10LBs of excess stored energy to utilize. Using test-e will be fine as long as your diet is formulated and taylored to doing a cutter cycle, but again, no ester test, or even prop, is your best bet for a single compound cycle for cutting. But if I was you, I would go with a long estered test like enanthate and eat real clean, caloric intake for you should be around 3000 cals aday. If you need to know how to break it down as to what to eat for whatever your goals are, check out the diet forum.
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Thanks, will do.
 
pds999 said:
Thanks, will do.
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it seems you are trying to do 2 different things at once. maybe i am missing something but at 15% bf and at 180 lbs? why would you try cut? or you are saying cut as in losing bf? i would loose bf, than try and bulk up a bit then do a cutting cycle, this is a very long process, and something you will not achive this summer. with that said i started a cycle at 205 with 15% bf and i got down to 13% on test and anavr, now i am training hard to cut bf to 7 or 8 i am at 11 or 12 now. but if i were to do it again i would drop all bf get the right calries and do cardio like fing crazy. it just sounds like you are thinking buy august you will be ripped, aint happen!
 
JNEF said:
np, just remember DIET DIET DIET and if you need that lil bit of extra push, lipoflame is good place to start but eca is my drug of choice when cutting - the caffeine helps keep the appetite down durring a cutting phase as well.
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When do you recommend using the lipoflame? Also- do you recommend doing the cardio pre or post workout? I have always done it pre because I like to down my protein shake right after I lift, but I've seen some posts saying to finish up with cardio...thoughts?
 
sshadoww said:
When do you recommend using the lipoflame? Also- do you recommend doing the cardio pre or post workout? I have always done it pre because I like to down my protein shake right after I lift, but I've seen some posts saying to finish up with cardio...thoughts?
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peronally i do my cardio in the am on an empty stomach - pop lipoflame 1/2 hr before while im getting my liter of water in. then ill come home have a protein shake + breakfast. go on with my day as usual, forcing the healthy food in my stomach. Later i'll go hit the weights in the pm, and ill hit a protein shake + a nice meaty meal aftwerwards. this approach has worked best for me.
 
sshadoww said:
When do you recommend using the lipoflame? Also- do you recommend doing the cardio pre or post workout? I have always done it pre because I like to down my protein shake right after I lift, but I've seen some posts saying to finish up with cardio...thoughts?
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Depends on goals. Cardio and weights should always be seperate in my book, cardio in the A.M. and weights later in the day, vice versa, but then again, what are you after? When you do cardio post WO, then you are taking your nutrient shuttle, bloodflow, away from starving fatigued muscles that you just blasted, so unless you are after just total cardiovascular health, then seperate the two by hours, not minutes. goals..............?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
nickster#1 said:
Depends on goals. Cardio and weights should always be seperate in my book, cardio in the A.M. and weights later in the day, vice versa, but then again, what are you after? When you do cardio post WO, then you are taking your nutrient shuttle, bloodflow, away from starving fatigued muscles that you just blasted, so unless you are after just total cardiovascular health, then seperate the two by hours, not minutes. goals..............?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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very good point
 
nickster#1 said:
Depends on goals. Cardio and weights should always be seperate in my book, cardio in the A.M. and weights later in the day, vice versa, but then again, what are you after? When you do cardio post WO, then you are taking your nutrient shuttle, bloodflow, away from starving fatigued muscles that you just blasted, so unless you are after just total cardiovascular health, then seperate the two by hours, not minutes. goals..............?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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That's exactly what I thought- which is why I do my cardio before I lift (no time in AM)- but as I mentioned, I saw some posts advocating cardio after lifting.

As far as goals, I'm looking to shed BF while putting on some lean muscle (I'd like to eventually get to around 200 with 10% BF)- my stats are very similar to the original poster which is why I jumped in for some info (5'11 185 and about 18.5% BF). I'm eating pretty clean and I do cardio 3-4x a week, so I was wondering if maybe there was better placement for it, but it looks like I just need to ramp it up more.

JNEF- Thanks for the Lipoflame answer- K coming.
 
tdidd42 said:
it seems you are trying to do 2 different things at once. maybe i am missing something but at 15% bf and at 180 lbs? why would you try cut? or you are saying cut as in losing bf? i would loose bf, than try and bulk up a bit then do a cutting cycle, this is a very long process, and something you will not achive this summer. with that said i started a cycle at 205 with 15% bf and i got down to 13% on test and anavr, now i am training hard to cut bf to 7 or 8 i am at 11 or 12 now. but if i were to do it again i would drop all bf get the right calries and do cardio like fing crazy. it just sounds like you are thinking buy august you will be ripped, aint happen!
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No, current cycle is growth. I asked the original question about cutting as that will be my next cycle later in the year. At present it's all about growth. Thanks for the advice though, might be something I need to look at.
 
sshadoww said:
That's exactly what I thought- which is why I do my cardio before I lift (no time in AM)- but as I mentioned, I saw some posts advocating cardio after lifting.

As far as goals, I'm looking to shed BF while putting on some lean muscle (I'd like to eventually get to around 200 with 10% BF)- my stats are very similar to the original poster which is why I jumped in for some info (5'11 185 and about 18.5% BF). I'm eating pretty clean and I do cardio 3-4x a week, so I was wondering if maybe there was better placement for it, but it looks like I just need to ramp it up more.

JNEF- Thanks for the Lipoflame answer- K coming.
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thanks for the k!
now its easier to do one or the other - add mass or lose bf

now if your primary objective is to lose body fat and you only have time for one sesh. Here is what i would do. Keep them on seperate days. If you could lift 3x a weeks and hit cardio hard 4x a week. now make sure to keep your protein high.
 
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Tren/Test/ Masteron/ Var....doses on file.

I think that's what you were looking for 3 pages ago.

Now take the rest of the advice and get busy.
 
GUARDIAN said:
1gram of cardio ew :)
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Can that be taken orally for the non-pokers...and what kind of PCT would you use :jester:
 
sshadoww said:
Can that be taken orally for the non-pokers...and what kind of PCT would you use :jester:
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it is like winny u can inject or drink.

deep tissue massage for legs for pct.
 
GUARDIAN said:
it is like winny u can inject or drink.

deep tissue massage for legs for pct.
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:FRlol:
 
pds999 said:
If you had to choose a single steroid (oral or injectable) for a cutting cycle which would it be? Goal would be to lose some body fat and keep any muscle already gained (and preferably build a little too if possible so anything mildly androgenic might be preferable).
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How many cycles have you done?
 
Best single steroid for cutting? Test E for cutting???!!! along with test C that will put the most water and fat on you out of any injectable! terrible advice.

Steroids that can be used for cutting - Prop, Tren, Winny, Mast, Primo, Var, Provi & EQ. Bascially the ones that do not bloat you full of water (long estered tests, anadrol, dbol)

Obviously the best way to get cut is to use a combination of any the above added to your clen, t3, ECA.
 
nickster#1 said:
The only AAS you should run on its own is test, and that being said, test base, no ester, at 25 to 50mg 2 times a day for 6 to 8 weeks. If I didnt mind all the pinning with 1 to 1.5 inch pins, 22 gauge, this would be the ideal single injectable compound cycle, IMHO.
But tren/prop is king of kings of cutting cycles. Again, IMHO.
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tren/mast/prop is supposed to be the king of kings bro
 
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