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njguy1

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So, if your say above 20% after a bulk. Which of these would be the best to cut down with for lean gains? Goal would be to cut fat and not reduce cal intake. Contemplating running 1 along with my SARMS stack.

Anavar
Anadrol
Dianabol
Winny
Proviron
Turinabole

what would the dosage/cycle look like as well as oncycle support. (anything besides n2guard?)

Planning on a PCT already with the SARMS cycle
 
the answer is none... aas is not used as a fat burner and your body fat is way too high to even be considering aas bro... you need to get down below 15% before you even consider it... then you need to realize what they are meant for...
 
thansk for the help!

what you need to understand though, is that I lost over 300lbs. I went from 470-142 before re-comping back to 230 (current weight) I put on HUGE gains though.

But, most of my body fat comes from loose skin and stomach subcutaneous (not visceral) fat on my stomach "hang" and inner thighs from beingn large for so long. When i was 142, it wasn't as much of a problem, but of course my body had NO muscle either, and i was catabolic and my body was litterly eating itself. I ate under 500cal a day for over a year.

Once i started eating normal again, those "fat cells' that my body had around my stomach started to fill up again. From what I've read, they will never go away. YOu can kill fat cells, they will always be there unless I get them sucked out with lipo.

So my doc says that skin surgery and lipo would probably take off 10-15lbs from me. Hand calibers put me at a 17% BF, but id say more like 20. at 230 thats 43lbs. however it you take off 15lbs of skin and fat from surgery, that puts me at 215 and more like 15% bf according to my estimates.

I am an interesting case for sure lol
thanks!
 
i would get that procedure done before you run anything bro... your not going to see the results with that kind of thing going on...
 
i agree, get the procedure first. you dont wanna waste time and money on a cycle and at the end still not be happy with how you look
 

either way, if he goes through with this, hes not going to gain lean mass and lose fat without going into a deficit. var maybe he will lose a little fat, on winny he will lose a few kilos of water and think fuuaark im cutting up and getting bigger/stronger when in reality water does not make body comp and its so easy to think wow im losing fat

slight caloric deficit and winstrol would be one way to go, as well as var etc, but even dbol and anadrol, if you take enough adex/aromasin and get rid of that nasty e2 you can put on mass and cut a bit of fat too, diet controlled of course

you could also try intermittent fasting (people get good results doing this naturally) and saving the steroids for further down the track
 
are you kidding me man? your really going to recommend that to someone that has no business taking anything... im so fucking sick of you spamming the board with your bull shit... fuck!

Yeah no shit!

BULLSHIT

I feel sorry for you bro, great job loosing all that weight and wanting to get big and following that goal. But the reality is what is done is done and your body is kind of messed up. You really need to think long and hard about causing more damage to your body. I am an old fuck and I now feel all the stupid things i did to my body that didn't kill me. Think long term not short and you will see that AAS is not the correct decision right now.
Good luck to you bro.
 
So, if your say above 20% after a bulk. Which of these would be the best to cut down with for lean gains? Goal would be to cut fat and not reduce cal intake. Contemplating running 1 along with my SARMS stack.

Anavar
Anadrol
Dianabol
Winny
Proviron
Turinabole

what would the dosage/cycle look like as well as oncycle support. (anything besides n2guard?)

Planning on a PCT already with the SARMS cycle

Im no fitness guru but honestly man just a simple clean diet will EASILY get you down a few bf%.. If ur starting at 20%

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Can someone tell me how to dose T3. And length of cycle. This will be thw first time using. Not looking to kill my thyroid..Im 44 .5'10 .245lbs thick not cut at all. Looking to drop xtra weight

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Can someone tell me how to dose T3. And length of cycle. This will be thw first time using. Not looking to kill my thyroid..Im 44 .5'10 .245lbs thick not cut at all. Looking to drop xtra weight

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I can tell you that you should start your own thread!
 
thats the second thread he's done that in... consider this a friendly warning... if you do it again then your getting a timeout... read the rules!
 
Hey NJ I don't post a lot but wanted to say that I've been following the IF diet. That's 8 hrs eating and 16 hrs fasting then 8 on and 16 off again. It's a little rough at first to get used to but man it works better and faster than anything I've tried before. And still let's you hang on to your muscle if done right. But I agree with Dylan bro, I'd hold off on aas for now. Good luck bro!! :-)
 
I think the point dyaln etc is trying to make mate is that the purpose of aas is not to cut fat. if thats the case and you dont feel you can achieve the physical form you want, then (and i dont like to suggest this) a cutting drug wold be better. From what you said and i mean no disrespect, you need to learn more about aas and train for longer imo. if the doc reccomnends lipo then do it.

isteroids point is that of the lot those 2 prob are known for better fat loss results, alhtough this tend to be visceral fat and not subcut which you talk of. Theres a few studies suggesting fat loss, but tbh the majority will tell you its either water weight or the increase in muscle mass/strength, not direct fat burning. although you dropped a lot of weight you should train hard for couple years and reach your full potential first naturally before considering aas.

If i were you, i'd start training to add muscle, and do the lipo. i dropped 36kg and have put on approx 6-7lg of muscle in 18months. it can be done and aas isnt going to work unless your diet and training are nailed anyway, and fom the sounds of it your body is no condition for aas.

good luck bud
 
Im no fitness guru but honestly man just a simple clean diet will EASILY get you down a few bf%.. If ur starting at 20%

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i think the point he's trying to make is he has loose skin/fat. if so getting bigger may actually help, but id defo do the lipo first and seriously be training or 2 years to understand it. very different lifestyle from dieting.
 
Interesting read:

Pennington Biomedical Research Center, Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70808-4124, USA.

OBJECTIVE: To compare the effects of testosterone enanthate (TE), anabolic steroid (AS) or placebo (PL) on regional fat distribution and health risk factors in obese middle-aged men undergoing weight loss by dietary means.

DESIGN: Randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial, carried out for 9 months with primary assessments at 3 month intervals. Due to adverse blood lipid changes, the AS group was switched from oral oxandrolone (ASOX) to parenteral nandrolone decaoate (ASND) after the 3 month assessment point. SUBJECTS: Thirty healthy, obese men, aged 40-60 years, with serum testosterone (T) levels in the low-normal range (2-5 ng/mL).

MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Abdominal fat distribution and thigh muscle volume by CT scan, body composition by dual energy X-ray absorptiometry (DEXA), insulin sensitivity by the Minimal Model method, blood lipids, blood chemistry, blood pressure, thyroid hormones and urological parameters.

RESULTS: After 3 months, there was a significantly greater decrease in subcutaneous (SQ) abdominal fat in the ASOX group compared to the TE and PL groups although body weight changes did not differ by treatment group. There was also a tendency for the ASOX group to exhibit greater losses in visceral fat, and the absolute level of visceral fat in this group was significantly lower at 3 months than in the TE and PL groups. There were significant main effects of treatment at 3 months on serum T and free T (increased in the TE group and decreased in the ASOX group) and on thyroid hormone parameters (T4 and T3 resin uptake significantly decreased in the ASOX group compared with the other two groups). There was a significant decrease in HDL-C, and increase in LDL-C in the ASOX group, which led to their being switched to the parenteral nandrolone decanoate (ASND) after 3 months. ASND had opposite effects on visceral fat from ASOX, producing a significant increase from 3 to 9 months while continuing to decrease SQ abdominal fat. ASND treatment also decreased thigh muscle area, while ASOX treatment increased high muscle. ASND reversed the effects of ASOX on lipoproteins and thyroid hormones. The previously reported effect of T to decrease visceral fat was not observed, in fact, visceral fat in the TE group increased slightly from 3 to 9 months, although SQ fat continued to decrease. Neither TE nor AS treatment resulted in any change in urologic parameters.

CONCLUSIONS: Oral oxandrolone decreased SQ abdominal fat more than TE or weight loss alone and also tended to produce favorable changes in visceral fat. TE and ASND injections given every 2 weeks had similar effects to weight loss alone on regional body fat. Most of the beneficial effects observed on metabolic and cardiovascular risk factors were due to weight loss per se. These results suggest that SQ and visceral abdominal fat can be independently modulated by androgens and that at least some anabolic steroids are capable of influencing abdominal fat.
 
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