best guitarists of all time list.

[too swole]

Did someone actually say that Joe mimics Eddie? I'm not trying to start sh^t but WTF. The guy from White Lion mimicks Eddie but Joe......I don't think so. Just because Eddies recording carrier started before Joe's that does not mean sh^t. I guess Joe was kinda busy teaching Steve Vai and Kirk Hammet and I think you get the picture. BTW Eddie did not create tapping.

 

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BTW Eddie did not create tapping.

He made it popular

 

[perkele]

Again, you sidestep ALL of my points, simply reiterating what you said earlier.

You just don't get it. Your entire argument amounts to:

"Nuh-uh! Carlton is better!"

I don't think MTV would play much of the earlier Sonic Youth (their good stuff, like Daydream Nation) and I don't think Built to Spill even has a music video (and who said they or sonic youth were grunge? Sonic Youth came BEFORE grunge). Larry Carlton is generic guitar. I never said he didn't have ability. However, guys like Kevin Shields create works of unbridled genius. Stay in your comfortable little music rut, because you're sure as hell not succeeding at arguing your way out of it.

How to debate a guy who spills out a comment like "Carlton most likely would never be able to play some of their riffs period, LET ALONE having a fraction of their genius and originality."

Most versitile guitarist on planet, and jazz master... sure it's difficult to him to play few simple power-chords. Sure!

Originality? Try listening Carlton's solo albums first and come back then.

Larry Carlton's solo on Steely Dan's "Kid Charlamange" is a standard must know. The way he weaves triad substitutions over the chord progression is pure genious.

Carlton's contribution to Steely Dan's "Kid Charlemagne" has been listed by Rolling Stone Magazine as one of the three best guitar licks in rock music.

 

[Debaser]

How to debate a guy who spills out a comment like "Carlton most likely would never be able to play some of their riffs period, LET ALONE having a fraction of their genius and originality."

Most versitile guitarist on planet, and jazz master... sure it's difficult to him to play few simple power-chords. Sure!

Originality? Try listening Carlton's solo albums first and come back then.

Larry Carlton's solo on Steely Dan's "Kid Charlamange" is a standard must know. The way he weaves triad substitutions over the chord progression is pure genious.

Carlton's contribution to Steely Dan's "Kid Charlemagne" has been listed by Rolling Stone Magazine as one of the three best guitar licks in rock music.

Here you go again. Rolling Stone is a magazine for teenage girls. They give Staind records 4 stars. A few simple power chords? You've obviously never heard any of the guitarists I'm talking about. And when I say originality, I don't mean "gee, I've never heard someone use that chord progression before." I mean "holy fuck, this is so mind-numbingly incredible it almost transcends the boundaries of the instrument itself." Carlton couldn't play them because he'd listen to them and react by saying "how in the fuck did they make that sound?" Do yourself a favor and download "The Plan" by Built to Spill and listen for the solo about midway through the song. "Carry the Zero" by the same band has some of the tightest, most achingly gorgeous guitar work ever created. Then the entire album Loveless, by My Bloody Valentine. Kevin Shields (the guitarist) spawned what many consider the greatest album of the 90s, some would argue ever. If you don't get it the first time you listen to it, don't worry. After a few listens, you'll begin to understand what all the gushing is about. I suggest at least listening to the opening track, called "Only Shallow" at the very least.

 

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Here you go again. Rolling Stone is a magazine for teenage girls. They give Staind records 4 stars. A few simple power chords? You've obviously never heard any of the guitarists I'm talking about. And when I say originality, I don't mean "gee, I've never heard someone use that chord progression before." I mean "holy fuck, this is so mind-numbingly incredible it almost transcends the boundaries of the instrument itself." Carlton couldn't play them because he'd listen to them and react by saying "how in the fuck did they make that sound?" Do yourself a favor and download "The Plan" by Built to Spill and listen for the solo about midway through the song. "Carry the Zero" by the same band has some of the tightest, most achingly gorgeous guitar work ever created. Then the entire album Loveless, by My Bloody Valentine. Kevin Shields (the guitarist) spawned what many consider the greatest album of the 90s, some would argue ever. If you don't get it the first time you listen to it, don't worry. After a few listens, you'll begin to understand what all the gushing is about. I suggest at least listening to the opening track, called "Only Shallow" at the very least.

Carlton couldn't play them because he'd listen to them and react by saying "how in the fuck did they make that sound?"

You're a really fucked up stupid.

How the fuck did I fart like this? I'm sure you can't create a fart sound like that! I must be the greatest farter ever.

Well of course that's my opinion of what the greatest fart sound is, and you have yours but guitar playing has nothing to do with sound, as far the skills and playing talent goes, and who's really the best player ever.

Cause when you give acoustic guitars to both Larry and Kevin then you'll see who really can play, and who hides his bad technique and limited skills under different kind of sounds created with different kind of amps and guitar effects etc.

Make your own thread about greatest guitar sounds and there everyone will be a winner.

 

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Carlton couldn't play them because he'd listen to them and react by saying "how in the fuck did they make that sound?"

You're a really fucked up stupid.

How the fuck did I fart like this? I'm sure you can't create a fart sound like that! I must be the greatest farter ever.

Well of course that's my opinion of what the greatest fart sound is, and you have yours but guitar playing has nothing to do with sound, as far the skills and playing talent goes, and who's really the best player ever.

Cause when you give acoustic guitars to both Larry and Kevin then you'll see who really can play, and who hides his bad technique and limited skills under different kind of sounds created with different kind of amps and guitar effects etc.

Make your own thread about greatest guitar sounds and there everyone will be a winner.

Maybe if you shit from your mouth you wouldn't sound as ignorant. At least it would be more coherent than your speech. I'm willing to bet you've never heard ANY of these songs that I suggested. If you did you'd realize how wholly idiotic you sound.

 

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Maybe if you shit from your mouth you wouldn't sound as ignorant. At least it would be more coherent than your speech. I'm willing to bet you've never heard ANY of these songs that I suggested. If you did you'd realize how wholly idiotic you sound.

I've played guitar longer than you have lived so I rest my case. Go back to your playground with other genious air guitarists.

 

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I've played guitar longer than you have lived so I rest my case. Go back to your playground with other genious air guitarists.

Strange then how you then fail to recognize artists on their creative merit, as opposed to their technical ability. I fail to see how you "playing guitar longer..." supports your argument in any way--it just makes you look like a jackass.

Here is some of what is said of Kevin Shields' music:

-Musos beware! This band doesn't "do" ornate, baroque, "theory-happy", guitar-technique rock. You won't find any "fretboard fireworks", constantly shifting time signatures, "bitchin' licks" or any other "musical feats of athleticism" on this album. If you don't think that music can be impressive or innovative without any prog-rock/virtuoso wanking, then this ain't the album for you.

Furiously loud but seductive rather than aggressive, the album flows like a lava stream from one track into another, subsuming everything in the mix into its blissful roar, and pulsing like a lover's body.

Kevin Shields' guitar tickles like a Harrier jet engine. The brilliance of Loveless lies in paradox: how can something so incredibly noisy and layered sound so beautiful and delicate? In no other album, ever, could you describe 20+ tracks of feedback as "gossamer." In his recent review of Pet Sounds, Ryan really hit it in the head-- Loveless is the Pet Sounds for our generation. An anal genius spent years carving symphonies to God. At least My Bloody Valentine can cause deafness and isn't called "The Beach Boys." This album can be effervescent or lulling. It can be frightening or angelic. It all depends on a few degrees difference in your volume knob. And it has the most kick-ass opening track, or chord even, of the 1990s.

I feel this album is also an excellent example of the kind of textural tone colors that can be realized through the creative use of a guitar and digital sampler. The stereo mix might be described as "distorted", "out of tune", or "unbalanced" to the casual listener, and indeed, the recording is ripe with the sounds of machines being used in ways for which they were not designed. By the same measure, Les Paul was criticized for electrifying the guitar. "Loveless" is a wonderful album for the musician, as it will challenge, confound, and leap over your preconceptions of what music and sound should be.

It has been said that an essential quality of good art is its ability to leave each who witnesses it changed, and the fact that everyone who hears this album either swoons or recoils is proof that this is art with a capital "A".

I give "Loveless" my absolute and highest recommendation. No degree or amount of accolades do it justice, and my life is richer for having heard it. What more can I say?




--Now, anything remotely resembling that kind of praise written about your precious guitarist?

 

[perkele]

Strange then how you then fail to recognize artists on their creative merit, as opposed to their technical ability. I fail to see how you "playing guitar longer..." supports your argument in any way--it just makes you look like a jackass.

Here is some of what is said of Kevin Shields' music:

-Musos beware! This band doesn't "do" ornate, baroque, "theory-happy", guitar-technique rock. You won't find any "fretboard fireworks", constantly shifting time signatures, "bitchin' licks" or any other "musical feats of athleticism" on this album. If you don't think that music can be impressive or innovative without any prog-rock/virtuoso wanking, then this ain't the album for you.

Furiously loud but seductive rather than aggressive, the album flows like a lava stream from one track into another, subsuming everything in the mix into its blissful roar, and pulsing like a lover's body.

Kevin Shields' guitar tickles like a Harrier jet engine. The brilliance of Loveless lies in paradox: how can something so incredibly noisy and layered sound so beautiful and delicate? In no other album, ever, could you describe 20+ tracks of feedback as "gossamer." In his recent review of Pet Sounds, Ryan really hit it in the head-- Loveless is the Pet Sounds for our generation. An anal genius spent years carving symphonies to God. At least My Bloody Valentine can cause deafness and isn't called "The Beach Boys." This album can be effervescent or lulling. It can be frightening or angelic. It all depends on a few degrees difference in your volume knob. And it has the most kick-ass opening track, or chord even, of the 1990s.

I feel this album is also an excellent example of the kind of textural tone colors that can be realized through the creative use of a guitar and digital sampler. The stereo mix might be described as "distorted", "out of tune", or "unbalanced" to the casual listener, and indeed, the recording is ripe with the sounds of machines being used in ways for which they were not designed. By the same measure, Les Paul was criticized for electrifying the guitar. "Loveless" is a wonderful album for the musician, as it will challenge, confound, and leap over your preconceptions of what music and sound should be.

It has been said that an essential quality of good art is its ability to leave each who witnesses it changed, and the fact that everyone who hears this album either swoons or recoils is proof that this is art with a capital "A".

I give "Loveless" my absolute and highest recommendation. No degree or amount of accolades do it justice, and my life is richer for having heard it. What more can I say?




--Now, anything remotely resembling that kind of praise written about your precious guitarist?

I really don't care what people write about your favorite artists as long as it's totally off-topic. Point was that Larry is better guitarist, and not which ones music or guitar sound you like more, and why. Do you really think for example that a grunge fan gives a fuck about good jazz album reviews, or vice versa. I'm sure there are some music critics, and people who like Kevin Shields' work and if it makes their life better then that's a good thing but again it has nothing to do with the original topic or the fact that Larry Carlton is better guitarist than Kevin.

 

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I really don't care what people write about your favorite artists as long as it's totally off-topic. Point was that Larry is better guitarist, and not which ones music or guitar sound you like more, and why. Do you really think for example that a grunge fan gives a fuck about good jazz album reviews, or vice versa. I'm sure there are some music critics, and people who like Kevin Shields' work and if it makes their life better then that's a good thing but again it has nothing to do with the original topic or the fact that Larry Carlton is better guitarist than Kevin.

You're perpetually missing the point, YET AGAIN. First of all this isn't grunge and has nothing to do with grunge. Quit using that terminology. Listen to the goddamn album. And I enjoy Jazz. Don't pigeonhole me like that. In fact, good analogies can be drawn to jazz. I'm sure there are people out there that are technically better than Miles Davis. But did they have an ounce of his creativity? Were they BETTER than him? FUCK no. As a musician, you shouldn't just create shit that sounds like rehashed material, it should be a journey into the unknown. Kevin Shields is the Miles Davis of the guitar. If a mere album like Loveless can have such a profound effect on so many peoples' lives, how can you say that Carlton (who I doubt any of this has been said of him) is a better guitarist? If I composed a symphony that was one of the most technically complex in history, would I be BETTER than Mozart?