Best friend asked me this.....

[The Shadow]

...and Im not sure what to tell her.

She had been seeing a guy for about 2 months, at this point, not committed to each other but neither was actively seeing anyone else.


He goes on a criuse with a married couple that was planed long before they met. He asked her to come along, but it wasnt really possible for her.

Flash forward to last week.


She has felt that something was amiss for some reason...after much wine she pressed him and he told her that he had a one night stand with a chick the last night he was there.


She had asked him before and he denied it.



I told her the lying was a bigger deal than the actual act, in that, neither one was committed at that point.


Thoughts?

 

[Lestat]

The lying is the bigger deal, BUT they were not comitted, so her asking that was a little out of line as well.

Bottom line, no committment means this shouldn't have been an issue... and she shouldn't have asked. I don't think it ruins any chance of something in the future for them.

 

[stilleto]

the lying is the worst part of it. she'll never trust him again.

 

[Evil_Frisky]

...and Im not sure what to tell her.

She had been seeing a guy for about 2 months, at this point, not committed to each other but neither was actively seeing anyone else.


He goes on a criuse with a married couple that was planed long before they met. He asked her to come along, but it wasnt really possible for her.

Flash forward to last week.


She has felt that something was amiss for some reason...after much wine she pressed him and he told her that he had a one night stand with a chick the last night he was there.


She had asked him before and he denied it.



I told her the lying was a bigger deal than the actual act, in that, neither one was committed at that point.


Thoughts?

No commitment was made.

I would be more upset at him denying it the first time asked, but he did tell her the truth. His concience played on him and even though he would have never had to say a word he spoke up.

IMO its better to find out from the horses mouth than from the fly's on his ass. She found out from him, and his weird behavior shows that he felt really bad about what he did. If he didn't care at all, he'd have never even given one clue as to somethign being wrong.

Is he right for what he did? No, of course not. Women often read into relationships and thats no secret, its been that way for ages. Being no verbal agreement was made either way and time had passed and they were still 'together' Its possible that she just assumed they were exclusive. We are talking about adults, not preteen or high school kids that require the whole, "will you go steady with me" line.

The lack of communication in this situation sucks, and often times leads to situations like these. Men and women think different, its a known fact.

She didn't voice that she wanted to be exclusive and he didn't voice that he didn't want to be... so who's at fault?

Both of them.

Honestly, if she can put all this behind her and can be sure she won't rekindle the past later then she should forgive and forget. If she feels it will some how some way, anyway, affect her trust in him then she needs to move on. Nothing can erase a scolded heart and if she feels like he cheated, even though they weren't actually a couple, then those feelings will never go away, and will grow to haunt their relationship later.

 

[awittyusername]

I am just in shock that I actually agree with The Shadow.

 

[Y_lifter]

Did he take any Pics of this boat skank ?
if so, please invite him up in here..


and I agree with you on the lying being worse than the STDDance

 

[stilleto]

I am just in shock that I actually agree with The Shadow.

its been a rough few months.... there's been a few times i've agreed with him. makes me want to rethink my whole self.

 

[awittyusername]

its been a rough few months.... there's been a few times i've agreed with him. makes me want to rethink my whole self.

Oh my!

I am pretty sure this is the only time I will agree with The Shadow. Although...I am starting to get scared, because I actually agree with frisky.

 

[HumorMe]

I don't know if anyone else has said this but the lying is the major deal breaker.

 

[Evil_Frisky]

Oh my!

I am pretty sure this is the only time I will agree with The Shadow. Although...I am starting to get scared, because I actually agree with frisky.

lol

Frisky 101:

Frisky is always right

 

[milo hobgoblin]

LOL they have been "dating" for 2 months? The guy probably lied because he thinks she would be unreasonable in her response...

He shouldnt have to explain himself in any case... and she SHOULDNT be questioning him about shit like that so soon in the relationship.

this post has to be a fucking joke.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

if they werent exclusive then i dont see anything wrong..
they need to decide if they are going to move forward or live in the past...

sure it makes you wonder if someone has interest in you and yet they can sleep with someone else even if it is just a one time thing

 

[Miss24k]

She shouldn't be upset about the act itself, because they aren't in a serious relationship and both are free to do whatever they want with who ever.

But the lying about it is a big deal, he had no reason to lie, he should have been honest, time to send him on his merry way.

 

[AAP]

Fucking women.

Then again, I fucking lie all the time. Whether I slept around or not. Had I been that guy and gone on that cruise, I would have lied and said I slept with a woman every night of the week?

Why would I do that?

Because then after paying for the wine that the bitch just callously gulped down to calm her nerves, she would think "well I am going to show him" and then proceed to suck my dick and fuck my brains out better than I have ever had since, well, I was on that cruise.

If you gonna lie, lie with a purpose.

 

[BrothaBill]

The guy is a choad, if he expected or respected the girl at all he would have had a crystal ball and seen this conversation coming up and not slept with the girl,
Forcing him to lie.
I dont know what it is with this culture, casual sex, a few moments of the old in and out always bites people in the ass. Was an hour really worth it to lose a good girl over?
She should not care about the lying, she should just dump him for being immature sexually

 

[AAP]

Sounds like the female needs to put on her big girl panties and deal with it.

 

[*MissFit*]

The act it self is not bad.. but he already said nothing happened..

Trust to me is big.. he lied.. i wouldn't be able to trust him.. had he told the truth from the beginning i would be fine...if i were her i wouldn't continue.. if someone lies about the small things.. what will happen when something big comes along.. as you said there was no commitment.. he owed her nothing.. what happens when he does...

 

[fistfullofsteel]

Velvett, lose the zero and get with the hero you two need to be banned.

 

[BrothaBill]

The act it self is not bad.. but he already said nothing happened..

Trust to me is big.. he lied.. i wouldn't be able to trust him.. had he told the truth from the beginning i would be fine...if i were her i wouldn't continue.. if someone lies about the small things.. what will happen when something big comes along.. as you said there was no commitment.. he owed her nothing.. what happens when he does...

This is why people shouldnt have one-night stands, get that shit out of your system or dont do it at all, especially if he is thinking about dating a woman.

He is not ready for a committment, what it sounds like they both want is glorified fuck buddies under the guise of bf/gf til they find better fuck buddies that have more income.
Sounds like two freaking 19 year olds. When you are old enough to want to get serious with someone, you dont have a onenight stand, well usually with a coupla years of finding the right person b/c you have to have time to reflect how gross that is to the next person in your life.
Course, some will never progress past, it feels good so I can do it with little concern of what intimacy may mean to another person they are involved with.

Anyone that sleeps around, is trying to fulfill some hole in their heart or personality. The guy is worthless b/c he still sleeps around, cmon, most guys grow out of that shit, but alot dont and they never will

 

[velvett]

1 - I'd question his character for finding the need to share said information at such time.

2 - If they had been activing seeing each other for two months and could not come to some sort of "commitment" in that time frame and have to question the potential of that relationship in the first place.

3 -There is no relationship, nor will there be - she should move on.

 

[velvett]

He is not ready for a committment, what it sounds like they both want is glorified fuck buddies under the guise of bf/gf til they find better fuck buddies that have more income.
Sounds like two freaking 19 year olds.

Exactly.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

1 - I'd question his character for finding the need to share said information at such time.

2 - If they had been activing seeing each other for two months and could not come to some sort of "commitment" in that time frame and have to question the potential of that relationship in the first place.

3 -There is no relationship, nor will there be - she should move on.

nice cover-up

 

[velvett]

nice cover-up

I don't get it.

 

[*MissFit*]

He is being dumb.. he this it's u.. that shadow is speaking of

I don't get it.

 

[velvett]

He is being dumb.. he this it's u.. that shadow is speaking of

OH.

It's not me.

Doesn't take me more than two dates to know whether or not it's relationship material and if I were her I woulodn't need advice on the matter.

LOL

 

[fistfullofsteel]

He is being dumb.. he this it's u.. that shadow is speaking of

don't make me come over there

 

[gonelifting]

I don't even like being lied to when I'm getting a surprise party or some kind of surprise where it's "acceptable" to be lied to.

That's why I never get those anymore. ONE TIME I had a surprise party, I caught on beforehand and it never happened again. The whole 'deception' thing is'nt cool.

Having said that, I think this particular relationship in question can be worked out. It does'nt seem as bad because they're just starting out in the relationship and it has room to grow in many ways. From the very little that was said... Honestly, it still seems salvagable.

 

[stilleto]

nice cover-up

if that were velvett he was discussing, my advice would have been to run, cause i wouldn't want the wrath of her.


(and i know she would agree with me)

 

[velvett]

if that were velvett he was discussing, my advice would have been to run, cause i wouldn't want the wrath of her.


(and i know she would agree with me)

She agrees with you.

 

[alien amp pharm]

Hook me up with her!
I won't cheat on her.....hell I can't get even get laid single, so she could trust me in the relationship.

 

[Tytan]

being open and upfront w/ women is key. Once you lie to them they may forgive, but will never forget...

 

[fistfullofsteel]

if that were velvett he was discussing, my advice would have been to run, cause i wouldn't want the wrath of her.


(and i know she would agree with me)

that's why u should sleep with one eye open when a woman is sleeping with you. they are psycho's.

 

[stilleto]

Oh my!

I am pretty sure this is the only time I will agree with The Shadow. Although...I am starting to get scared, because I actually agree with frisky.

want to start a group therapy session with me?
i'm scared. hold me.

 

[velvett]

being open and upfront w/ women is key. Once you lie to them they may forgive, but will never forget...

I've had two guys in my life lie about their age to me - and both times it should have been a red flag.

RED FLAGS people - men or women, good person or bad person makes no difference.

 

[stilleto]

if they weren't exclusive, and one of them slept with another... ok, thats not terrible and maybe its what would have made the other realize how much they want to be together.
but why would he lie? yeah, i guess he felt bad about it, but why? cause he knew she had feelings for him? cause they were really kind of exclusive?

 

[alien amp pharm]

I've had two guys in my life lie about their age to me - and both times it should have been a red flag.

RED FLAGS people - men or women, good person or bad person makes no difference.

Hello, I am aap. I am 30 years old and have an 11 inch penis.


okay, okay, go ahead and red flag me I'm lying.


...I'm only 29.

 

[velvett]

Hello, I am aap. I am 30 years old and have an 11 inch penis.


okay, okay, go ahead and red flag me I'm lying.


...I'm only 29.

Well yah, it's age not a big deal.

What is a big is the assumption that you have to lie and if you're going to lie about something as silly as age what else are you going to lie about?

 

[alien amp pharm]

Well yah, it's age not a big deal.

What is a big is the assumption that you have to lie and if you're going to lie about something as silly as age what else are you going to lie about?

penis length probably

 

[stilleto]

I went out with someone who started, and ended our relationship with a lie. it was doomed.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

I went out with someone who started, and ended our relationship with a lie. it was doomed.

pfffffttttttt

 

[fistfullofsteel]

Well yah, it's age not a big deal.

What is a big is the assumption that you have to lie and if you're going to lie about something as silly as age what else are you going to lie about?

might be silly to you, but not silly to them. your perception is not their perception.

 

[Hiatussin]

who cares what the bigger deal is

but yea the lie is the bigger deal. it always is. without the lie a cheat is simply a breakup

 

[Hiatussin]

How come you have a woman for a best friend and shes not a bulldyke?

 

[AAP]

I always believed it is better to lie to women before they lie to you.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

I always believed it is better to lie to women before they lie to you.

kinda hard though, they are pretty good

 

[The Shadow]

good responses

 

[Smurfy]

women tend to presume a man belongs to them, whether there is a commitment or not. women think sex = commitment, regardless what they say.

that said, Im so glad Im not in the dating game anymore.

 

[stilleto]

i'm surprised nobody sees the real shocker in this thread....

shadow has a friend!

 

[The Shadow]

i'm surprised nobody sees the real shocker in this thread....

shadow has a friend!

BASTARDO!!!!!

 

[stilleto]

BASTARDO!!!!!

oops. never mind. now he doesn't.

 

[Evil_Frisky]

BASTARDO!!!!!

Bernardo?

 

[velvett]

might be silly to you, but not silly to them. your perception is not their perception.

SO you are suggesting that lying about your age is ok to do?

I'm not sure what you are getting at.

Lying about your age unless you're a 16 year old trying to pass yourself as anything but jail bait - has zero purpose (good or bad).

As for opinion - it is my opinion that lying about your age is like lying about what your favorite color.

 

[The Shadow]

Bernardo?

Hell no!

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

And while he's washing...watch him.
He gon' make it to a Benz outta that Datsun.

 

[The Shadow]

LOL @ MAtt

 

[fistfullofsteel]

SO you are suggesting that lying about your age is ok to do?

I'm not sure what you are getting at.

Lying about your age unless you're a 16 year old trying to pass yourself as anything but jail bait - has zero purpose (good or bad).

As for opinion - it is my opinion that lying about your age is like lying about what your favorite color.

i'm saying you jump to conclusions. if somebody lies about something little does it necessarily mean they will tell bigger lies? if you say vanilla ice cream is my favorite and i say it is too when it's actually my 2nd favorite, does it mean that i will lie about something much more important? or if a person asks, do you like so and so type of music and i respond it's ok when i actually don't like it all but i can clearly see they are very much into that type of music so to be nice, i say it's ok.

and lying about the age depending on how much of a lie it is can be ok. let's say a woman asks me the minimum age of a woman i would date seriously, and i respond, 24. so she says, she is 24 but she is actually 22, and i found out months later after we are dating, she is actually 22. i'm ok with it.

 

[Steve The Bluesman]

...and Im not sure what to tell her.

She had been seeing a guy for about 2 months, at this point, not committed to each other but neither was actively seeing anyone else.


He goes on a criuse with a married couple that was planed long before they met. He asked her to come along, but it wasnt really possible for her.

Flash forward to last week.


She has felt that something was amiss for some reason...after much wine she pressed him and he told her that he had a one night stand with a chick the last night he was there.


She had asked him before and he denied it.



I told her the lying was a bigger deal than the actual act, in that, neither one was committed at that point.


Thoughts?

Yea I have a thought - what the fuck did he tell her for? To be absolved? What an asshole.


Bluesman

 

[fistfullofsteel]

Yea I have a thought - what the fuck did he tell her for? To be absolved? What an asshole.


Bluesman

I agree it's all his fault. It always is.

 

[The Shadow]

He wanted a commitment 2 months in...she didn't......not that it matters....

but....it might

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

He wanted a commitment 2 months in...she didn't......not that it matters....

but....it might

And when he get on
he leave yo ass for a white girl

 

[The Shadow]

How much malt have you downed today?

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

How much malt have you downed today?

In the dirty we do more than drink you under the table.

 

[The Shadow]

so that was YOUR hand??

oh fuck

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

so that was YOUR hand??

oh fuck

Where dem niggaz pimp hoes in fly suits and gators

 

[Raina]

I suppose it depends if she can get over it or if it'll always hold her back with him.

 

[velvett]

i'm saying you jump to conclusions. if somebody lies about something little does it necessarily mean they will tell bigger lies? if you say vanilla ice cream is my favorite and i say it is too when it's actually my 2nd favorite, does it mean that i will lie about something much more important? or if a person asks, do you like so and so type of music and i respond it's ok when i actually don't like it all but i can clearly see they are very much into that type of music so to be nice, i say it's ok.

You're not getting what I'm saying, you are referring to lies that are for cordial and polite behavior - like going to a dinner party and drinking wine you don't like as not to insult the host, not telling someone the truth to avoid them from unnecessary pain or grief - but age - it's like telling someone you're a natural blond - ONE DAY you're going find out that person is lying and why? What is the purpose?

We will have to agree to disagree because in my mind if you are trying to build a trusting relationship with me and you're going to lie about something as ridiculous as that - it's too easy for you to lie about something that could potential cause problems. Come to think of it wasn't two guys it was three guy that have lied about their age to me - and their lies didn't stop there (I mean why should they...)

Also, don't forget I'm speaking about prior personal experience so for me it's not a statement out of thin air.

and lying about the age depending on how much of a lie it is can be ok. let's say a woman asks me the minimum age of a woman i would date seriously, and i respond, 24. so she says, she is 24 but she is actually 22, and i found out months later after we are dating, she is actually 22. i'm ok with it.

And if you were both five years younger you could go to jail.
Hmm, not important though.

 

[velvett]

He wanted a commitment 2 months in...she didn't......not that it matters....

but....it might

Then what's the purpose of this thread?
To debate what is worse lying about sex or having sex?
Because there was no cheating here - there was no relationship.

Whether or not she should keep him as a fuck buddy?
Or does she NOW what more from him and is mad that he dare have sex with someone else? I don't get it.

If she didn't want a commitment from him in the first place and he was dumb enough to tell her then what is the problem?

 

[UA_Iron]

Yeah shadow, best friend a girl?

and you hang out on the women's board?

dude...

but anyway, I agree with what you have to say - if they arent in a commited relationship the sleeping with a girl on the cruise isnt that bad, but the lying part definitely is and sends up a flag.

 

[The Shadow]

Then what's the purpose of this thread?
To debate what is worse lying about sex or having sex?
Because there was no cheating here - there was no relationship.

Whether or not she should keep him as a fuck buddy?
Or does she NOW what more from him and is mad that he dare have sex with someone else? I don't get it.

If she didn't want a commitment from him in the first place and he was dumb enough to tell her then what is the problem?

...the purpose was to see if I was the only person who thought that the lying was the "real" issue



Obviously this thread is pissing you off for some reason.....

 

[fistfullofsteel]

You're not getting what I'm saying, you are referring to lies that are for cordial and polite behavior - like going to a dinner party and drinking wine you don't like as not to insult the host, not telling someone the truth to avoid them from unnecessary pain or grief - but age - it's like telling someone you're a natural blond - ONE DAY you're going find out that person is lying and why? What is the purpose?

We will have to agree to disagree because in my mind if you are trying to build a trusting relationship with me and you're going to lie about something as ridiculous as that - it's too easy for you to lie about something that could potential cause problems. Come to think of it wasn't two guys it was three guy that have lied about their age to me - and their lies didn't stop there (I mean why should they...)

Also, don't forget I'm speaking about prior personal experience so for me it's not a statement out of thin air.




And if you were both five years younger you could go to jail.
Hmm, not important though.

I disagree with you disagreeing with me.

Lying about your age where the consequence can mean breaking the law is different, but then again, some laws are down right retarded and the penalities to those retarded laws are even more retarded. Only one way to settle this. Give me those directions to wherever you're staying that you supposedly gave me in the first place, again. Then we will solve this like civil adults. I will bring my passport, driver license and birth certificate. You bring yours. I reckon, I'm a callin you out!!!!

The purpose of lying is to hide things because people fear that the truth might not agree with the other person. Example, women lie to me because they say things that they think I want to hear, because they want FFOS that bad. Do I blame them? Of course not.

I'll tell you a funny story. One day I was walking around in a mall and I noticed a reflection of a guy in the mirror. I thought to myself, wow that guy is freaking gorgeous, I'm not gay, but I would go gay for him. So I thought to myself, what the freak am I thinking? Let me move closer to the mirror and take a closer look and take another look. Upon further examination, I realized that guy was me. I didn't realize how good the lighting in the mall was, and it just brought out beauty in me I have never noticed before. Now, do I blame women doing whatever it takes to get with FFOS. The answer is NO.

 

[The Shadow]

but anyway, I agree with what you have to say - if they arent in a commited relationship the sleeping with a girl on the cruise isnt that bad, but the lying part definitely is and sends up a flag.

.....thank you for the opinion.

 

[velvett]

I disagree with you disagreeing with me.

I stil wuv euw.

 

[velvett]

...the purpose was to see if I was the only person who thought that the lying was the "real" issue...

There is no issue, which is my point.
No relationship, no issue.

(Just a stupid guy)

 

[Raina]

I think that it's best for relationships to be based on lies. They make things more colorful. I always pretend I don't speak english. Then suddenly after a few months I speak fluently and people are floored that I learned so quickly.

Lie more. Seriously it makes things interesting.

The other key to a good relationship is heavy drug use. If you're too chicken to go that route, just adopt drinking problems. No need to get anything expensive. Just some meth or a 40. Bond through chemical enhancement. If you drink enough you don't care that there are lots of lies or that your partner's getting kind of chunky.

 

[velvett]

I think that it's best for relationships to be based on lies. They make things more colorful. I always pretend I don't speak english. Then suddenly after a few months I speak fluently and people are floored that I learned so quickly.

Lie more. Seriously it makes things interesting.

The other key to a good relationship is heavy drug use. If you're too chicken to go that route, just adopt drinking problems. No need to get anything expensive. Just some meth or a 40. Bond through chemical enhancement. If you drink enough you don't care that there are lots of lies or that your partner's getting kind of chunky.

Brilliance.

I'm not sure that such brilliance is legal but it sure is appreciated.

 

[Raina]

Seriously, if I told you I was 26 and worked in commercial lumber you'd be thinking "Raina is boring".

But if I told you I was a magician who worked with tigers and that my hobby was welding beautiful metal sculptures you'd be thinking "Hot damn, Raina is super duper interesting".

Plus when in doubt, if you tap dance enough nobody really remembers what they were thinking anyhow. Mostly people look at me like "why the hell is she wearing tap shoes at the office". Then I go hide in a cardboard box in a warehouse and shake.

 

[jrlex]

The lying is the bigger deal, BUT they were not comitted, so her asking that was a little out of line as well.

Bottom line, no committment means this shouldn't have been an issue... and she shouldn't have asked. I don't think it ruins any chance of something in the future for them.

Couldn't have said it better..

 

[velvett]

Seriously, if I told you I was 26 and worked in commercial lumber you'd be thinking "Raina is boring".

Ship to NY?

I am in a desparate search for tongue and groove, single bead (not single center bead) 1x6''s - pre-primed pine or poplar - anything you have.

 

[Raina]

I don't think we'd have it in stock. I wonder if you can get ahold of my vendors? I can talk to one of my less retarded salesmen tomorrow and see if he has a suggestion.

 

[Smurfy]

Raina you never got back to me on that Bowater contract and then Allied Steel.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

I stil wuv euw.

Does this mean I am going to get some anytime soon?

 

[The Shadow]

There is no issue, which is my point.
No relationship, no issue.

(Just a stupid guy)

....as your sig indicates, you are entitiled to your opinion, just as everyone else who posted on the thread.

Interesting that you say that there is no isssue, yet label the guy in the situation as "stupid"

 

[UA_Iron]

....as your sig indicates, you are entitiled to your opinion, just as everyone else who posted on the thread.

Interesting that you sy that there is no isssue, yet label the guy in the situation as "stupid"

what....powerful insight Shadow.

You should get paid for this, really.

 

[Raina]

I personally couldn't get over it. I'm a "trust my gut" kind of person. I probably would have had that intuition too that something was "off". Even if I cared about someone though I'm not sure I could ever not always wonder in the back of my mind if that would happen again or what else they might not be saying.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

Fucking women.

Then again, I fucking lie all the time. Whether I slept around or not. Had I been that guy and gone on that cruise, I would have lied and said I slept with a woman every night of the week?

Why would I do that?

Because then after paying for the wine that the bitch just callously gulped down to calm her nerves, she would think "well I am going to show him" and then proceed to suck my dick and fuck my brains out better than I have ever had since, well, I was on that cruise.

If you gonna lie, lie with a purpose.

Dude you are fucking brillant!

 

[velvett]

Interesting that you say that there is no isssue,

By issue (I should have specified) I meant between him and her.

They were not commited, she did not want a commitment with him, he went on a cruise and had sex with a woman (the horror) and from what I understand they spoke about it somehow stating or suggesting that there was no sex involved and then at a later day date, while intoxicated and questioned by the very same woman that did want a commit from him whether or not he had sex with someone else based on a "feeling" she had.

No relationship - no issue.

She doesn't know what she wants and he's not real swift in lying and then trying to go back to be truth when it was simply something that should have never been brought up in the first place (see above).

Hope that is clear.

Now had they HAD an actual relationship and he had lied both the lie and the act would be bad.


And clearly others agree with my opinion.

The lying is the bigger deal, BUT they were not comitted, so her asking that was a little out of line as well.

Bottom line, no committment means this shouldn't have been an issue... and she shouldn't have asked. I don't think it ruins any chance of something in the future for them.

Couldn't have said it better..

 

[wnt2bBeast]

By issue (I should have specified) I meant between him and her.

They were not commited, she did not want a commitment with him, he went on a cruise and had sex with a woman (the horror) and from what I understand they spoke about it somehow stating or suggesting that there was no sex involved and then at a later day date, while intoxicated and questioned by the very same woman that did want a commit from him whether or not he had sex with someone else based on a "feeling" she had.

No relationship - no issue.

She doesn't know what she wants and he's not real swift in lying and then trying to go back to be truth when it was simply something that should have never been brought up in the first place (see above).

Hope that is clear.

Now had they HAD an actual relationship and he had lied both the lie and the act would be bad.

not to jump in the middle velvett
but that is confusing as hell..
forget for a minute what this guy did
the chica above didnt want a commit and then she changed her mind and wanted to????

 

[The Shadow]

Now had they HAD an actual relationship and he had lied both the lie and the act would be bad.


And clearly others agree with my opinion.

For shits and giggles.....what is your definition of a relationship??

Are you defining a relationship as being "committed" to each other??

Or are you saying that there can exist a relationship without being "commited" to each other - ie - "we only see each other"


The fact that they actively dated for 10 or so weeks is an indication of a relationship...at least to me......the fact that it wasnt "exclusive" made the act, if not the lie, no big deal imo.

As far as the "others agreeing"......who cares?

Strength in numbers doesnt change anything in this instance...doesnt mean anyone is right or wrong.

 

[velvett]

not to jump in the middle velvett
but that is confusing as hell..
forget for a minute what this guy did
the chica above didnt want a commit and then she changed her mind and wanted to????

It is confusing no?

She doesn't know what she wants - you can't hold a guy responsible for having sex with someone is you are not commited to them.

And he should have either A - never lied or B- never changed his story

 

[wnt2bBeast]

It is confusing no?

She doesn't know what she wants - you can't hold a guy responsible for having sex with someone is you are not commited to them.

And he should have either A - never lied or B- never changed his story

no thats fair i misunderstood what you meant the first time
man or woman should be allowed to do what they choose if they are not commited..

people fuck up who knows why this guy wasnt hnest about te question in the first place sometimes guys think its best not to let on about certain things..doesnt make it right.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I sold crack, I'm guessing I could sell CD's.

 

[Raina]

I like cupcakes.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

I sold crack, I'm guessing I could sell CD's.

I could sell ice to an eskimo.

 

[Miss24k]

I like cupcakes.

mmmmm cupcakes do you have 1 for me?

 

[The Shadow]

I'm a seller...wouldnt you like to be a seller too??