Best for mass?

[powerlord]

I've been traing for about 3 years now,and after this next cycle of PH's,which will be M1T, I will have done 3 PH cycles after this one.I am eventually going to want to take it to the next level,and was wondering what a good gear stack would be for adding mass,without too many sides.I am 6'0" 230lbs and would like to get over the 260 mark before I start a cutting routine.My diet is 4400 cals,250-300g protien,300 g carbs,I don't know what my BF is but guess it's 11 or 12%,And I'm 38 yrs old,my goal is to get just as freaky looking as I can before the good lord takes me,maybe even hit some masters events in the future.Thanks for any advice.

 

[view]

test/deca has by far been the best mass stack i've ever done.

they are very synergistic -- plus if you add a few dbol on top -- wow, magical things happen.

most would agree test/deca or test/deca/dbol is the ultimate mass stack.

 

[powerlord]

Thanks view,and also I've read many posts lately claiming that M1T is just as strong if not stronger than D-bol?And what would a beginner cycle look like on test/deca?

 

[jubei]

mass not to be confused with water is best obtained through almost any aas and lots of food and proper training. Really, winstrol is just about as good for lbm as dbol is. I don't count water weight as increase in mass.

 

[powerlord]

I have read and heard that a sus/d-bol stack is the way to go for lean mass gains,but alot of people are telling me to run a D-bol only cycle for my first time at 25mg a day for 6 weeks with a very high protien diet.

 

[jubei]

ppl are giving you bad advice. Dbol only cycles for lean mass are not great.

 

[Mavy]

Nothing beats the classic proven mass stack of all time, period. Even after all water is said and gone.

Deca/Dbol/Testosterone.

I really forgot how effective these 3 really were together until my last cycle. These stack SO GOOD together becuase you are hitting every angle. The Dbol is the most amazing anti-catabolic, the test is highly androgenic, and the Deca is HIGHLY anabolic. They complement each other perfectly. If you don't grow off of this, I hate to say it, but you won't grow of anything! Garanteed. No matter how fancy you try to get with your cutting and bulking cycles. Even the dbol and deca, or dbol and primo alone work soooo well together. The only thing that works better than Deca and Dbol, is Deca, Dbol and test. Give them a shot, there are many ways you can run them together. I would try NPP, as apposed to regular Deca.

Mavy

 

[Money46]

i agree on the test/deca,but if you put some winstrol at the end the gains will be better

 

[wnt2bBeast]

i agree with Mavy..however my philosophy is test is the base of all good cycles..therefore your first should be test only this way you know how the body responds to it..the best is to go with enanth (2 injects per week) to keep steady blood levels..sust is a poor choice, prop is fiine but for a beginner the fewer the amount of injects the better..once your comfortable and know how you react to test then you can start to add to your stacks..maybe throw in some deca or tren, etc..

 

[powerlord]

My body responds well to everything,hell I gained 15lbs off of a 1-AD cycle a month ago on a good diet and kept the same size waist and haven't lost a lb. I'm kinda scared of the test because of the agressive crap,which I already have naturally and was going to try a short budget cycle first with an oral.

 

[got2getripped]

I've never done it but I'm gonna do a Dbol Test cycle for my first. I think If I handle the test ok I will throw in the Deca and do all 3, Or quit the test and replace it with Deca.

 

[powerlord]

I've been looking at the other post about oral only cycle,and I'm getting mixed feelings,some are saying a D-bol cycle with a good diet will yield good gains,then others are saying triple stack for a beginner.This is confusing.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

I've never done it but I'm gonna do a Dbol Test cycle for my first. I think If I handle the test ok I will throw in the Deca and do all 3, Or quit the test and replace it with Deca.

no test? hope your not planning on having sex!!!

 

[Goldprospector]

My body responds well to everything,hell I gained 15lbs off of a 1-AD cycle a month ago on a good diet and kept the same size waist and haven't lost a lb. I'm kinda scared of the test because of the agressive crap,which I already have naturally and was going to try a short budget cycle first with an oral.

If I could gain 15 pound from a legal supp, then I'd be damned if I would go with stuff that is a risky to get as AAS!
As far as "Agressive crap" when referring to AAS, I don't buy it! Some say they get more agressive but the vast majority feel more confident than agressive. AND, it is not "agressive while on test only" The supposed agression comes from AAS in general.

Anyway, I agree with doing a Test only cycle on the first one. I am getting ready for my 4th cycle and am going to try Deca/Test/D-bol...

 

[DiamondCutCows]

I've been looking at the other post about oral only cycle,and I'm getting mixed feelings,some are saying a D-bol cycle with a good diet will yield good gains,then others are saying triple stack for a beginner.This is confusing.

Who the hell on this site told you to take a dbol only cycle? I get the feeling you want a dbol only and dont like what we're telling you. Maybe you got some local guys telling you that? Lemme know.

 

[jubei]

Test/Deca/Dbol is about as good as you can get for mass, no doubt about it. I would personally go with npp over deca but its nandrolone thats important in the stack. I think test/tren/winny is the counterpart for the above, when trying to obtain pure lbm, as opposed to total size increase.

 

[powerlord]

Believe me I'm listening,I just have so many people giving me advice right now and each is different,half the gym I go to swears by d-bol and most use it alone with a good pct after,alot of people have told me test is not for the beginner,others say SUS is good for no sides and lean muscle gains,then anavar is good by itself,or a triple stack is good for the first time,which I'm told is nonsense by a few for a beginner.I'm just trying to get a consensus for a beginner safe cycle.

 

[bigmk]

Lets keep this simple, deca, dbol ... run it for 12 weeks .... eat clean and put enough calories in you to let the muscles grow. How much? Deca 600mg/week, dbol 30 to 50/day for 6 weeks, adjust as needed. I have a three legged dog that would grow form this cycle ! You can thank me later..oh yeah..if your feeling a little limp add some test !

 

[jubei]

Anybody who is telling you "sus" is better or worse than other types of test should be disregarded. Test is good for beginners, advanced, and everything in between. An anti-e is good to have, even at a low dosage.

 

[powerlord]

Thanks bigmk,that sounds good,jubei whats your take on what bigmk advised?And I sent you a PM jubei.

 

[powerlord]

I also read a post by Mavy in the D-bol only thread saying that d-bol by itself would yield excellent gains.

 

[Mavy]

I also read a post by Mavy in the D-bol only thread saying that d-bol by itself would yield excellent gains.

Dont twist things to much here bro. I said dbol will work alone. It is a much better idea to use it as a kickstart for a cycle with injects in it. For that other person, injects werent an option. For you I am sure they are. I wouldnt run dbol alone if I had the choice to run an inject with it. I would personally rather run Deca or Primo with it than test.

Mavy

 

[DIVISION]

most would agree test/deca/dbol is the ultimate mass stack.

I agree with this, though as you get older you are more susceptible to the sides associated with Testosterone. So long as you can handle the dosage and applicable sides, I think the Test/Deca/D-bol cycle is right down your alley.

DIV

 

[unknownpain]

Believe me I'm listening,I just have so many people giving me advice right now and each is different,half the gym I go to swears by d-bol and most use it alone with a good pct after,alot of people have told me test is not for the beginner,others say SUS is good for no sides and lean muscle gains,then anavar is good by itself,or a triple stack is good for the first time,which I'm told is nonsense by a few for a beginner.I'm just trying to get a consensus for a beginner safe cycle.

Best to do your own homework, i never listen to people at my gym because half of em don't know squat, the worst thing to do is act upon what they 'swear' by.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

why are you making this so hard..first cycle test enanth 4- 500mg/wk if you want dbol 20-30mg/day first 4 or 6 weeks..get yourself some nolva run some a-dex to control water eat a ton of protein, ladd weight to the bar every week on your compund moves..run the proper pct 2 weeks post injection..and your good to go..everything everyone is telling will add mas to your frame assuming you have the right diet/training..personally if you throw a stack together like test/deca dbol you will have no idea where your growth comes from..how will you know if you respond better to test or deca??? if you should get some gyno sympotms os it estro or progesterone..you cant isoalte which compund is giving you the results...hence the reason if you read my original post that all good cycles have test as a base..you need to find how you react to test..the only way to do that is to run a test only cycle...the choice is yours

 

[Otis Hurtz]

I just did my first cycle. I am 5'11" and at the beginning my weight was 218lbs. I did sust 250 per week and peeked at 500 a week for 2 weeks in mid cycle. I also stacked it with EQ200 I did 1.5cc per week that is 300mg per week. I also kick started with d-bol 10mg first week, 20 mgs 2nd week, 30 mg 3rd week, and 20mg 4th week. I ran this cycle for 9 weeks and had no side effect. At the end I was 240lbs. I have been off for 2 weeks and about to start my PCT of clomid. I am now 235lbs but I think that is just the water leaving my body.

You diet looks solid I would recomend this cycles to any that ask. This is not a hugh cycle so I think that it will give you a nice platform to start out on and jgive you something to gauge your next cycle off of.

I don't do Deca because it can be detected in your system for up to 18 months after and that is to high of a rick for me.

Good luck. And remember LIFT HEAVY AND HARD OR GO HOME.

 

[sweed]

why are you making this so hard..first cycle test enanth 4- 500mg/wk if you want dbol 20-30mg/day first 4 or 6 weeks..get yourself some nolva run some a-dex to control water eat a ton of protein, ladd weight to the bar every week on your compund moves..run the proper pct 2 weeks post injection..and your good to go..everything everyone is telling will add mas to your frame assuming you have the right diet/training..personally if you throw a stack together like test/deca dbol you will have no idea where your growth comes from..how will you know if you respond better to test or deca??? if you should get some gyno sympotms os it estro or progesterone..you cant isoalte which compund is giving you the results...hence the reason if you read my original post that all good cycles have test as a base..you need to find how you react to test..the only way to do that is to run a test only cycle...the choice is yours

Right on... That makes total sense. I am thinking of running a test/ d-bol stack for my first cycle. like he said , 4-500 mgs test for 12 weeks and around 25/ 30 mgs d-bol for 4-6 weeks. Now all I have to decide on is all the pct and other anti-e's during/ post cycle. I believe I read something wnt2bbest wrote about taking HCG during the whole time to control sides, and then nolva or clomid for pct 2 weeks after last injection. how does that sounds.... great thread imo for all beginners

 

[wnt2bBeast]

Right on... That makes total sense. I am thinking of running a test/ d-bol stack for my first cycle. like he said , 4-500 mgs test for 12 weeks and around 25/ 30 mgs d-bol for 4-6 weeks. Now all I have to decide on is all the pct and other anti-e's during/ post cycle. I believe I read something wnt2bbest wrote about taking HCG during the whole time to control sides, and then nolva or clomid for pct 2 weeks after last injection. how does that sounds.... great thread imo for all beginners

hcg doesnt control sides it help your balls from becoming raisins..most likely all you would need is 250 ius every 4-5 days..you take an anti-e like a-dex to control estro and water build up..start low like .25 mg eod..have nolva on hand and for pct..clomid can be used as well

 

[powerlord]

Beast thanks for the excellent advice,that makes more sense to me,that simplifies everything.Looks like my first cycle will be test/dbol.

 

[jeb0177]

var. inject inject inject!!!!

 

[jubei]

inject var? wtf?

 

[geoboy]

I keep hearing that Deca can be replaced with EQ in the test/deca/dbol bread & butter stack.

while clearly you won't look as big while on because of lessened water retention, what do you guys think of the final dry lean mass results at the end for test/eq/dbol vs test/deca/dbol (iow, after all the water gets peed out)?
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[bullcocky]

for me it was finaplix

 

[slip slam]

I posted this on an earlier post but I think you would like the results as well. 400-600mgs of Equipoise a week, 500mg of Ara-test (50mg prop and 200mg enenathate) and 150mg winny a week. This stack should keep sides down and mass gains should be quality. I personally did 400mg eq, 500mg Ara-test and 150mg winny. Nice result! Don't stick by my word though....feel out some other posts on this board and see what you can find.

I've been traing for about 3 years now,and after this next cycle of PH's,which will be M1T, I will have done 3 PH cycles after this one.I am eventually going to want to take it to the next level,and was wondering what a good gear stack would be for adding mass,without too many sides.I am 6'0" 230lbs and would like to get over the 260 mark before I start a cutting routine.My diet is 4400 cals,250-300g protien,300 g carbs,I don't know what my BF is but guess it's 11 or 12%,And I'm 38 yrs old,my goal is to get just as freaky looking as I can before the good lord takes me,maybe even hit some masters events in the future.Thanks for any advice.

 

[jeb0177]

inject var? wtf?

I meant to go with injectables. hahhahahaha!

 

[powerlord]

Thanks to all of you who offered advice,especially beast,now I have my first cycle after advice from 3 forums,appreciated.