bigrand said:
Muscleup, i can handle it (i currently take 1 Zaltrex with one hotrox and i can hang, the combo is strong as fuck), i just want to know which one will be more effective in fat burning. I cant burn of remaining fat (15-20lbs) with just diet and cardio, its stubborn..........plus i want some for after coming off cycle to drop the fat ive put on.
Different people will tell you different things, but I don't think there's any question that the most reliable, effective, and consistent formula is the 25 mg ephedrine hcl. The trick is, you HAVE to take each pill with a Vivarin or similar caffeine pill to get the full effect. You see, all the herbal formulas already have the caffeine in them.
I've never been a big fan of the herbals, and I've tried about every OTC formula known to man. Ephedra 850s, YellowJackets, BlackBeauties, Stackers, TruckersLoveIt, Xenadrine, Hydroxycut, Ripped Fuel, and so on (many more, such as the different EAS formulas, Metabolite, even more). I took them at times, especially when no ephedrine was available, but the real stuff just seems to work better IMO.
The only real difference with ephedra (aside from the fact that they already include caffeine, albeit in haphazard herbal formulations) is you don't know quite what your getting. Instead of 25mg of ephedrine, you might see 25mg of extract on the label and actually be getting 22 mg of ephedrine, 3 mg psuedoephedrine, 8 mg of norephedrine and so forth. There are actually 6 different ephedra alkaloids in ephedra if I'm not mistaken, and the quality control with ephedra products to my knowledge leaves much to be desired.