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Best Cutting cycle?

J. Adams

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Here is what I have handy:

Test Enathate(250mg/week)
Tren Ace (225mg E3D)
Masteron (100mg E2D)

or

Test Ennathate (250mg/week)
Tren Ace (225mg E3D)
Winstrol tabs (50-75mg/day)


I'm at 189lbs 12%

(Note: the test is just run at baseline so that my libido doesn't crash. The reason I don't run high dosage test is that i ALWAYS get a face bloat, even with arimidex, exemestane, nolvadex etc.. I've tried tham all, and none of them gets rid of it)

Also, I do have access to 25mg Anavar tabs.
 
Either cycle would do the trick if your diet is in check. I personally would go with the Winny as I love the results I get from it even though it's killer on my lipid profile.

M18
 
J. Adams said:
Here is what I have handy:

Test Enathate(250mg/week)
Tren Ace (225mg E3D)
Masteron (100mg E2D)

or

Test Ennathate (250mg/week)
Tren Ace (225mg E3D)
Winstrol tabs (50-75mg/day)


I'm at 189lbs 12%

(Note: the test is just run at baseline so that my libido doesn't crash. The reason I don't run high dosage test is that i ALWAYS get a face bloat, even with arimidex, exemestane, nolvadex etc.. I've tried tham all, and none of them gets rid of it)

Also, I do have access to 25mg Anavar tabs.



DIET DIET DIET
Not just the food you eat but the time in which you do. Makavelli's diet dropped me during my cycle for a shoot from 9.5%bf to 6.5-7%bf in just a few weeks with the same cycle. It was all in the diet. I'm sure the threads still lurking around... I'll post if you want.
 
are you going to run an AI, or no?

orals can make a difference, particularly winstrol and its SHBG suppression. Though winstrol tren can be murder on the joints.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
are you going to run an AI, or no?

orals can make a difference, particularly winstrol and its SHBG suppression. Though winstrol tren can be murder on the joints.

I'm debating that. Probably novaldex since the test dosage is so low, and novaldex will help improve the bad lipid and cholesterol numbers I will get while on this cutting cycle. (Not by much...but by my mentality every percentage point counts :) )

Exemestane was the other possibility as it has no impact an lipid and cholesterol profiles. But it's much more expensive than novaldex.
Letrozole was out...as it's just murder on your lipid profiles.
Arimidex...same deal as letrozole but to a lesser degree.


The only problem I have with winstrol (Even though it leaves me shredded to the bone), is that my HDL cholesterol ends up in the single digits any time I run it.

A few Winny cycles has to have an impact long term if your HDL drops to like 5 every time. I'm kind of afraid of that..and there are zero studies on medline to give me an semi-accurate long-term projection of what could happen to my health long-term via Winstrol use for cutting.
 
surferstar said:
But my to cut on is Test E base with tren Ace 100mg ED and Var 40mgED
Clen/t3 combo as well.


I can't tolerate Clen...it makes my hand shake like crazy even at 60mcgs/day.
I normally use Ephedrine if I need an appetite suppressant/fat burner.

Test/Tren/Var would probably be the best combo.....but also the most expensive by far. :)
 
macrophage69alpha said:
runing nolva with tren increases gyno risks

How so?

Trenbolone is a 19-nortestosterone derrivative like nandrolone, and therefore cross-reacts with the progesterone receptors. (Allthough more potently than nandrolone. i.e it has greater affinity for them)

Novaldex is a SERM. It simply latches on to the estrogen receptors, and acts like a weak estrogen...therefore fooling the body, and your estrogen levels
are reduced.

How would the use of a anti-estrogenic like novaldex have any impact on the progesterone receptor?

I don't see how it could have any effect since it lactches specifically onto the estrogen receptors.

The progesterone receptors don't come into play here. Unless you're implying that the use of novaldex while using Tren increases prolactin levels sufficiently to cause lactation..and also later on gyno.
 
nolvadex E agonist actions upregulates PgR expression.

J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 2005 May;95(1-5):83-9. Links
Aromatase inhibitors: cellular and molecular effects.Miller WR, Anderson TJ, White S, Larionov A, Murray J, Evans D, Krause A, Dixon JM.
Breast Unit, Western General Hospital, Edinburgh, Scotland, UK. [email protected]

Marked cellular and molecular changes may occur in breast cancers following treatment of postmenopausal breast cancer patients with aromatase inhibitors. Neoadjuvant protocols, in which treatment is given with the primary tumour still within the breast, are particularly illuminating. In Edinburgh, we have shown that 3 months treatment with either anastrozole, exemestane or letrozole produces pathological responses in the majority of oestrogen receptor (ER)-rich tumours (39/59) as manifested by reduced cellularity/increased fibrosis. Changes in histological grading may also take place, most notably a reduction in mitotic figures. This probably reflects an influence on proliferation as most tumours (82%) show a marked decrease in the proliferation marker, Ki67. These effects are generally more dramatic than seen with tamoxifen given in the same setting. Differences between aromatase inhibitors and tamoxifen are also apparent in changes in steroid hormone expression. Thus, immuno-staining for progesterone receptor (PgR) is reduced in almost all cases by aromatase inhibitors, becoming undetectable in many. This contrasts with effects of tamoxifen in which the most common change on PgR is to increase expression. Changes in proliferation occur rapidly following the onset of exposure to aromatase inhibitors. Thus, neoadjuvant studies with letrozole in which tumour was sampled before and after 14 days and 3 months treatment show that decreased expression of Ki67 occur at 14 days and, in many cases, the effect is greater at 14 days than 3 months. These early changes precede evidence of clinical response but do not predict for it. However, this study design has allowed RNA analysis of sequential biopsies taken during the neoadjuvant therapy. Based on clustering techniques, it has been possible to subdivide tumours into groups showing distinct patterns of molecular changes. These changes in tumour gene expression may allow definition of tumour cohorts with differing sensitivity to aromatase inhibitors and permit early recognition of response and resistance.
 
An AI like AIFM would be good in your case...

Usually when i run Var I run it at a minimum of 100mg ED for 4-6 weeks
 
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