Being harassed via email...

[velvett]

Is there is formal and legal way to press harassment charges for cases such as these?

And no, this is a business related matter not a personal one.

 

[patsfan1379]

Say the word. I'll kill him.

 

[jh1]

Yes.

You get the headers of each email, you file a harassment suit against the idiot.

It's called a Ex-Parte.

You will file it against 'John Doe @ (List of IP addresses & Email Addresses)

Then you subpeona the owners of the IP addresses to find out the originator of the message.

He will ahve to come to your local county to respond, or loose by default.


PM me if you want help with tracking the IP.

 

[H_T_]

sure. harassment has many forms. maybe save all that shit to disk & take it to the cops. they gotta be used to things like this happening...

 

[velvett]

Oh I know who it is...

A former client.

 

[patsfan1379]

Yes.

You get the headers of each email, you file a harassment suit against the idiot.

It's called a Ex-Parte.

You will file it against 'John Doe @ (List of IP addresses & Email Addresses)

Then you subpeona the owners of the IP addresses to find out the originator of the message.

He will ahve to come to your local county to respond, or loose by default.


PM me if you want help with tracking the IP.

holy how the fuck do you know this dude?!?!?!?!

 

[H_T_]

Oh I know who it is...

A former client.

if you were heinous looking, i bet it would have never happened....

 

[vixensghost]

Cyber rights? Isn't there some org. called Cyber rights?

I'm just thinking aloud....

 

[heatherrae]

Yes. Harassment is harassment no matter the form of communication. One can be harrassed by email, mail, telephone.

 

[jh1]

Oh I know who it is...

A former client.

What were the contents of the emails? Anything that can pin him down as the originator?


If so, just call the cops.

BTW - it's not harassment until you have clearly communicated to him that you do not want any further contact.

Once you do that, stop responding no matter how crazy he gets.

THEN file your case.

 

[wootoom]

digger has been harrassing me via-email i think im going to ban the fuck

 

[jh1]

digger has been harrassing me via-email i think im going to ban the fuck

I got your back.

 

[velvett]

if you were heinous looking, i bet it would have never happened....

Well, that's it them, I will have gain 50 lbs and give up all aspects of good hygiene.


Hmmm that's a whole lot of pizza....
































I don't know if I could pass up on my showers though....

Have any alternate ideas?

 

[ortiz34]

I want the story

 

[WODIN]

Is there is formal and legal way to press harassment charges for cases such as these?

And no, this is a business related matter not a personal one.

There are cyber stalking laws in some states. Check with the NY AG's office.

 

[heatherrae]

Well, that's it them, I will have gain 50 lbs and give up all aspects of good hygiene.


Hmmm that's a whole lot of pizza....

I don't know if I could pass up on my showers though....

Have any alternate ideas?

The gaining 50 lbs and completely neglecting hygeine has been working out okay for me, so far.

 

[velvett]

What were the contents of the emails? Anything that can pin him down as the originator?


If so, just call the cops.

BTW - it's not harassment until you have clearly communicated to him that you do not want any further contact.

Once you do that, stop responding no matter how crazy he gets.

THEN file your case.

I brought up ethical practice regarding a client of theirs as it related to the work I was hired to do for them and for their client and she flipped out and took it to mean something else and after everyone in their office agreed with me she sent me the 1st email.

Yes, SHE was the originator last monday.

I have clearly communicated that (this morning) and prior to that I ended our business relationship (last week - wednesday).

Who do you file your case to?

 

[jh1]

I brought up ethical practice regarding a client of theirs as it related to the work I was hired to do for them and for their client and she flipped out and took it to mean something else and after everyone in their office agreed with me she sent me the 1st email.

Yes, SHE was the originator last monday.

I have clearly communicated that (this morning) and prior to that I ended or business relationship (last week - wednesday).

Who do you file your case to?

Local county court, call the court's clerk. They will help you file the paper work - it's really a no brainer. Especially since you know the person. It should be a form that you fill out, basically two or three pages at most. They will either have to respond or loose by default.

One thing, just make sure you have a copy of your last commmunication to them - WHICH SHOULD BE IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS:

"I wish no further contact or communication from you, James Smith, ever again."

Or whatever. Don't ever talk to them after that. Talking to them, even in response is still communication which is two way. Obviously, for a good case they would have had to repeatedly contact you after this - on several occasions.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

holy how the fuck do you know this dude?!?!?!?!

He is more then just some $265 jeans and means express t-shirt!

 

[velvett]

Local county court, call the court's clerk. They will help you file the paper work - it's really a no brainer. Especially since you know the person. It should be a form that you fill out, basically two or three pages at most. They will either have to respond or loose by default.

One thing, just make sure you have a copy of your last commmunication to them - WHICH SHOULD BE IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS:

"I wish no further contact or communication from you, James Smith, ever again."

Or whatever. Don't ever talk to them after that. Talking to them, even in response is still communication which is two way. Obviously, for a good case they would have had to repeatedly contact you after this - on several occasions.

Thank YOU!!!!

 

[fistfullofsteel]

I'm aroused Post what he wrote. I'll stalk you and harass you and you'll like it. Don't give me lip, woman!!!

 

[gotmilk]

Is there is formal and legal way to press harassment charges for cases such as these?

And no, this is a business related matter not a personal one.

Nope. Only if they threaten you with bodily harm. You can only block their email.

Send him a certified letter telling the person to knock it off. Once formally warned, then you can seek out legal recourse.

 

[jh1]

Nope. Only if they threaten you with bodily harm. You can only block their email.

Send him a certified letter telling the person to knock it off. Once formally warned, then you can seek out legal recourse.

Having clear communication that you no longer wish to be in contact helps your case, but it is certainly not a prerequisite.

It's all about wether it can be deemed harassment or not. That's at the discretion of the judge...

 

[Jimsbbc]

Slap em in the face with a nice lawsuit to cool em off a bit.

 

[velvett]

LOL

You guys bring me UP
And bring me down....


GAH


I'm going to send one last email, maybe she'll get the hint.

I tell you though, it's getting really hard to remain professional in my choice of words.

 

[gotmilk]

Having clear communication that you no longer wish to be in contact helps your case, but it is certainly not a prerequisite.

It's all about wether it can be deemed harassment or not. That's at the discretion of the judge...

You have to notify the person that you no longer wish to be communicated with in any form (e-mail, fax, phone, etc). Even your local police department will tell you to send a cease and desist.

I can email you all day long with gross pictures, nasty jokes about your ex, photoshopped pics of your kid. It's not harassment until you tell me to knock it off and I continue regardless of your request.

The Congressman Mark Foley case was a perfect example of what V is posting about. "Should have known" is a pain in the ass to prove. Whoever is sending V these emails "should know" he has gone too far but it's still V's response to tell the guy "enough".

 

[velvett]

You have to notify the person that you no longer wish to be communicated with in any form (e-mail, fax, phone, etc). Even your local police department will tell you to send a cease and desist.

Can this be done via email or does it need to be a registered letter?
Both?

 

[jh1]

Can this be done via email or does it need to be a registered letter?
Both?

Email is fine, letter is better.

Just make it clear you wish for no furhter contact and be certain the communication was received.

 

[gotmilk]

Can this be done via email or does it need to be a registered letter?
Both?

The problem with email is she can play stupid. She can claim she deleted it without opening...or it hit her spam file and she did not see it.

Atleast with USPS mail, she received it. Most people rarely leave certified mail unopened.

 

[velvett]

The problem with email is she can play stupid. She can claim she deleted it without opening...or it hit her spam file and she did not see it.

Atleast with USPS mail, she received it. Most people rarely leave certified mail unopened.

So what do you think if i send the email, then print them all out and send them certified as well?

 

[gotmilk]

So what do you think if i send the email, then print them all out and send them certified as well?

Yep..that works too. You cover yourself twice just in case she tried to pretend she did not see the email.

Cops usually only handle threats of bodily harm. A judge would ask you what steps you took to notify the other party you had enough.

You can also complain to her ISP too.

 

[velvett]

Thanks Jh1 & gotmilk!!!!!!!!!

 

[javaguru]

Yes. Harassment is harassment no matter the form of communication. One can be harrassed by email, mail, telephone.

Funny story, one of the MD's my ex-wife dated after the divorce was sending her harrassing e-mail's after she dumped him. Well, she comes to her ex, Javaguru, for help. I composed an e-mail citing all kind of legal mumbo jumbo along with including slightly veiled legal threats, I even cited the Telephone and Telegraph Act of 1920 something. Anyway, not a peep from him after she forwarded him my e-mail.

 

[mountain muscle]

Someone made up false names on yahoo im that looked like mine and made threatening statements.

The cops won't press charges without more proof than messages on a computer.
Yahoo won't give up the details because the guy who has all the info is in jail now.
The cops can't get a warrant without the info from yahoo.

The cops in my city say they can only press charges on the victim of the threats.

So now we are back to yahoo.

 

[jh1]

Someone made up false names on yahoo im that looked like mine and made threatening statements.

The cops won't press charges without more proof than messages on a computer.
Yahoo won't give up the details because the guy who has all the info is in jail now.
The cops can't get a warrant without the info from yahoo.

The cops in my city say they can only press charges on the victim of the threats.

So now we are back to yahoo.

Follow my instructions.

You have to file a suit against john doe @ the handles he used at Yahoo.

Then you subpeona Yahoo for that information.

They will give you the information if you subpeona them.

You can't subpeona them until you have a case filed in a court.

The cops won't do this for you, it's to petty to them.

 

[javaguru]

Follow my instructions.

You have to file a suit against john doe @ the handles he used at Yahoo.

Then you subpeona Yahoo for that information.

They will give you the information if you subpeona them.

You can't subpeona them until you have a case filed in a court.

The cops won't do this for you, it's to petty to them.

You're saying file a civil case and use the information to start a criminal proceeding? Salesmen are shadier than lawyers.

 

[Razorguns]

way easier:

block her email, so evrytime she emails it bounces back to her.

 

[velvett]

way easier:

block her email, so evrytime she emails it bounces back to her.

You're right.

I can't bounce them I can only set it to be deleted upon arrival.

I sent out my final email notifying her, yahda yahda, harassment, blah blah, I will print it and mail it certified and once I know she has it I will change the settings.

I am curious to see if she responses if she does - I will know for sure she is bat shit crazy.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

You're saying file a civil case and use the information to start a criminal proceeding? Salesmen are shadier than lawyers.

WTF??????????

 

[jh1]

You're saying file a civil case and use the information to start a criminal proceeding? Salesmen are shadier than lawyers.

What the?

I never said that.. you push forth with your civil suit, but of course you use the information you discover in the civil proceedings to press criminal case - if there was a criminal infraction.

 

[javaguru]

What the?

I never said that.. you push forth with your civil suit, but of course you use the information you discover in the civil proceedings to press criminal case - if there was a criminal infraction.

Yes, what I said.

 

[MichaelScott]

damn jh1 u be's more than a swinin dingaling

 

[jh1]

Yes, what I said.

What's shady about that?

 

[LuluDeren]

I can't load page one of your thread, Velvett, however, from some of the quoted passages I assume someone is harrassing you by email. I thought any threatening correspondence, regardless of it's delivery system, was considered an aggravated misdemeaner and actionable.

Sorry this woman is making your work environment problematic.

 

[javaguru]

What's shady about that?

Using one system to invoke another with more serious consequences. My best friend is a sales manager, he hates that I point out his job is about manipulating people.

 

[gotmilk]

I will know for sure she is bat shit crazy.

Bury her under the lap pool of the next house you renovate...by the way, nice job with the "Plum". I love the before and after's.

 

[jh1]

Using one system to invoke another with more serious consequences. My best friend is a sales manager, he hates that I point out his job is about manipulating people.

I guess.

I just see it as a criminal act to begin with, but the people that are in charge of invoking the criminal system are too lazy to do their job.

There is also stuff here that is actionable on a civil level - now, of course you'd just let the criminal stuff takes it's course in a normal situation. However, since they aren't willing to do the work - you have to go after them civilly first to discover their identities.

I don't know. I just see that as using everything you got to get to the end result.

 

[javaguru]

I guess.

I just see it as a criminal act to begin with, but the people that are in charge of invoking the criminal system are too lazy to do their job.

There is also stuff here that is actionable on a civil level - now, of course you'd just let the criminal stuff takes it's course in a normal situation. However, since they aren't willing to do the work - you have to go after them civilly first to discover their identities.

I don't know. I just see that as using everything you got to get to the end result.

In the hierarchy of illegal acts it's a very low priority.

 

[jh1]

In the hierarchy of illegal acts it's a very low priority.

Totally true.

ANd most likely, even after you outed them - the cirminal side still woudln't do shit.

WHich is all the more reason to press hard on the civil side -at least get an order of protection. Once you have that - if they sneeze if your general direction the police will arrest. And that's backed at the federal level...

 

[javaguru]

Totally true.

ANd most likely, even after you outed them - the cirminal side still woudln't do shit.

WHich is all the more reason to press hard on the civil side -at least get an order of protection. Once you have that - if they sneeze if your general direction the police will arrest. And that's backed at the federal level...

If you can manage to get a case into the system the criminal system is the best collection agency out there.

 

[jh1]

If you can manage to get a case into the system the criminal system is the best collection agency out there.

LOL

So True. They never give up, never give in, and they keep amazing records.

They're like the fucking Terminator.

They cannot be negotiated with.

 

[slat1]

This is a classic example of why everyone should keep a folder for every person they have contact with on their cpu.
Having all the emails saved is so important if you go to court.
Keeping phone records is huge too!

 

[javaguru]

LOL

So True. They never give up, never give in, and they keep amazing records.

They're like the fucking Terminator.

They cannot be negotiated with.

It's amazing how quickly someone will come up with the 10k they owe you when faced with three years in a pound me in the ass prison.

 

[jh1]

This is a classic example of why everyone should keep a folder for every person they have contact with on their cpu.
Having all the emails saved is so important if you go to court.
Keeping phone records is huge too!

And be ready with your Dave's Boot & Nuke in case YOU ARE THE TARGET so you can get rid of said records.

Keeping detailed records is a double edged blade....

More times than not, the people / organizations that kept them - ended up getting bitten by it.


Don't write it if you can say it, don't say it if you can just nod.

 

[patsfan1379]

I have 3,500 unfiled emails in my inbox.

 

[Bikini Mod]

You're right.

I can't bounce them I can only set it to be deleted upon arrival.

I sent out my final email notifying her, yahda yahda, harassment, blah blah, I will print it and mail it certified and once I know she has it I will change the settings.

I am curious to see if she responses if she does - I will know for sure she is bat shit crazy.

When you block somebody's email addy it does NOT bounce back. You never see future emails and they don't know that you have stopped receiving them.

It is a beautiful thing like that.

 

[velvett]

Bury her under the lap pool of the next house you renovate...by the way, nice job with the "Plum". I love the before and after's.

I made two mistakes in the past 3 years - they were one of them.


Fortunately they both have been removed from my life. *knocking on real wood object*

Serves me right for continuing to work with builders.

Before and afters... if you are referring to what I think you are those were before my time.

 

[velvett]

I have 3,500 unfiled emails in my inbox.

LOL

That's funny because there have been times where I'm like WTF am I keeping this shit and I want to do a mass delete and then I realize I have to do them page by page and I'm like GAH, *f**k* it.

 

[yonkers weights]

Touch base with the cops and print out the emails.

 

[velvett]

I can't load page one of your thread, Velvett, however, from some of the quoted passages I assume someone is harrassing you by email. I thought any threatening correspondence, regardless of it's delivery system, was considered an aggravated misdemeaner and actionable.

Sorry this woman is making your work environment problematic.

Thanks.

I have not heard anything as of yet today so right now things look good.
I just hate checking my email I seeing her name - it's like I want to just want to delete it but then I'm thinking uh, maybe I need to read that and then I do and I'm seething.

My last email was professional but it was not nice.

They're probably having a "meeting" about how to "deal with her" right now.

JMJ!!!

I really need to listen to my instincts.

 

[velvett]

HOLY SHIT

Crazy bitch responded and is THREATENING me with her lawyer.

I guess I have to go to the court building and file those papers.


HA!

My lawyer's an ARAB.

 

[jh1]

HOLY SHIT

Crazy bitch responded and is THREATENING me with her lawyer.

I guess I have to go to the court builder and file those papers.


HA!

My lawyer's an ARAB.

Do not respond.

Never communicate with her again.


In her response, did she quote your notice to cease and desist all contact?


*REPEAT* DO NOT ever contact her again.

Don't send her mail, email, phone call.... if you see her turn around.



Oh.. forgot to tell you. The best defense to a harassment suit... is to file one yourself. She's probably off filing her own right now against you.

 

[velvett]

Do not respond.

Never communicate with her again.


In her response, did she quote your notice to cease and desist all contact?


*REPEAT* DO NOT ever contact her again.

Don't send her mail, email, phone call.... if you see her turn around.



Oh.. forgot to tell you. The best defense to a harassment suit... is to file one yourself. She's probably off filing her own right now against you.

Yes I made it very clear not to contact me again.
I won't - I printed out all the emails.
Court building is still closed for lunch I'm leaving in a few minutes.

What a f*cking crazy bitch.
Just shows I was right all along with about ethical practice.

She's defensive because she knows she's marketing a lie.

 

[stilleto]

HOLY SHIT

Crazy bitch responded and is THREATENING me with her lawyer.

I guess I have to go to the court building and file those papers.


HA!

My lawyer's an ARAB.

omg, its not who i think it is, is it???

 

[mountain muscle]

Yes I made it very clear not to contact me again.
I won't - I printed out all the emails.
Court building is still closed for lunch I'm leaving in a few minutes.

What a f*cking crazy bitch.
Just shows I was right all along with about ethical practice.

She's defensive because she knows she's marketing a lie.

Vel you take care of the guy who tried to screw me over and I will take care of your stalker.

Then we'll go have sushi.

And go skating.

 

[SpyWizard]

Yes.

You get the headers of each email, you file a harassment suit against the idiot.

It's called a Ex-Parte.

You will file it against 'John Doe @ (List of IP addresses & Email Addresses)

Then you subpeona the owners of the IP addresses to find out the originator of the message.

He will ahve to come to your local county to respond, or loose by default.


PM me if you want help with tracking the IP.

yep, and if the idiot is stupid enough to use a business exchange hosted IP... he is toast..

liability is with the owner of the company, if the company claims to not have control over the use, you can show harm on the part of the company..

it gets even more ugly from there..

 

[gotmilk]

give me her email address so I can send her this

http://www.movv.com/prvupload/uploads/super_retard_stfu.jpg

 

[jh1]

yep, and if the idiot is stupid enough to use a business exchange hosted IP... he is toast..

liability is with the owner of the company, if the company claims to not have control over the use, you can show harm on the part of the company..

it gets even more ugly from there..

Don't you just love *PEEPS* that think they are being sneeky on the intertubes and then you end up owning them in court?

God damn... You know how many peeps have lied under oath in depositions only to find out JH1 had their number the entire time and they ended up getting their ass in a real sling for purging them selves...

Poor people... didnt' have a chance...

 

[velvett]

SO...

I went to court and they sent me to the police Sargent that happened to be there, we chatted and he escorted me to their satellite office - we had a nice talk which ended up being mostly about my Crocs (go figure) while we waited for another officer to arrive.

Small town, the police office sent to file the report is in "the circle of trust" so I told him the whole story, he wrote some notes and he called her - but he received her voice mail - he left her a message stating who he was and why he was calling.

He's is going to mediate it so that there will be no further contact from or to her and myself.

Hope it works.


I'm curious to see what I will receive next.... I don't see her stopping, I just see her changing her approach.


I showed the office the information she wants and he's smiling and he says she must be really paranoid.


So we'll see.


The good news is... while I was leaving the station to get gas I was referred a new client and got a lead on some great office space.


ROCK ON!!!

 

[SpyWizard]

good for you

 

[Cutiebaby]

Is there is formal and legal way to press harassment charges for cases such as these?

And no, this is a business related matter not a personal one.

It all depends. I know some one who was being harrassed on myspace and when she contacted the local Pd they told her that there was no way to prove that it was the actual person harassing her. A phone call would have been better. Personally I think that is all a load of Bs, because there are ways around it...From what I have heard some states are tryin to work on ways to protect people via the internet harassment issues.
You should contact your local pd and just ask them about it

 

[gotmilk]

I hate crocs. Worse than geigh sandals

 

[mountain muscle]

I hate crocs. Worse than geigh sandals

Dude.

Picture Vel wearing only crocs.

Now stfu

 

[Nathan]

Dude.

Picture Vel wearing only crocs.

Now stfu

This mental imagery is the first good thing to ever come from those damn sandals.