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Beginners cycle?

Dr Speilberg

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hey I'm totally new to steroids did my research on them but can't determine what to use and when to use it and how much of it to use. Everywhere I look gives you a different cycle for different results and different dosage.

is there a good beginners cycle that someone has tried before and got decent results from?

I'm looking to get shredded like Herny Cavill in the film Immortals for example he ain't big but nicely defined
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I just want the fitness look
heres my current state
Hight 184cm
Weight 81kg
Bodyfat around 16% at the moment
heres a image I took of my self about 30min ago
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iv been out of the gym for 5 months due to college im in my final year so been busy but im looking to get back into it and start a cycle
 
Bro I can't even tell you workout. The last thing you need right now is steroids. Not trying to be a dick but that is a the truth. Head over to the Diet/Nutrition section and the workout section, they will be able to help you get started working towards the body you want.
 
your such an ass :( totally upset now hahah no joking :P I know dude my body completely sucks even when I tried regularly and had a good diet it wasn't great ill send u a pic of it 5 months ago cos I cant post it on this im a new member

I need a good 6 day workout plan mainly focusing on arms, abs, chest and decent amount of running for stamina along with a good diet plan then start a cycle.
have you cycled? your body is awesome wish mine was like yours ( not trying to be gay haha)
 
So im just finishing my first cycle, I ran Test Cypionate for 8 weeks, only because i lost the other four weeks worth, but I went from 188lbs to 207lbs in two months, added an inch and a quarter on my arms, I just got swoll fast.

I tapered up then down, so i started at 200 the first week, then 300...all the way up to 500 for a couple weeks then back down, Im taking Arimidex as Anti and have hcg for pct

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your such an ass :( totally upset now hahah no joking :P I know dude my body completely sucks even when I tried regularly and had a good diet it wasn't great ill send u a pic of it 5 months ago cos I cant post it on this im a new member

I need a good 6 day workout plan mainly focusing on arms, abs, chest and decent amount of running for stamina along with a good diet plan then start a cycle.
have you cycled? your body is awesome wish mine was like yours ( not trying to be gay haha)


Yeah I have. My picture avatar was me over a year ago during my first cycle of Test E and superdrol/dmz kickstart, I really need to update it. I'm about 5'10-5'11 uppder 190's there.

I wouldn't worry about working arms and abs so much right now. Focus on core compound lifts such as Bench, Incline DB, Squat, Deadlift, Shoulder Press, Pull ups, Weighted dips, Etc.

What exactly does your daily diet and weight training look like? And how old are ya?
 
21 Years old, when I use to workout more frequently I use to do something like this
breakfast: Slice of Wholewheat bread or half a healthy seed bagel, 2-4 Eggwhites, Possibly some humus on the bread
snack after breakfast: whey 100% gold with skimmed milk, and a banana
lunch: 1 Chicken breast grilled, Portion of mixed salad with some salad dressing, Maybe as desert a mixed fruit salad also
snack after lunch: Piece of fruit or handfull of mixed nuts
Dinner: Steak or Fish, Boiled vegetables and 1 Baked potato.
Snack: Casein protein shake with skimmed milk or else a piece of fruit

for workout:
Day 1: Chest, shoulders, triceps
barbell bench press 12,10,8,6,12
flat bench dumbbell flys 4 sets 10-12 reps
incline dumbbell press 3-4 sets 10-12 reps
Standing Military Press 12, 10, 8, 6, 12-15
Dumbbell Lateral Raise 4 sets 10-12 reps
Seated Shoulder Press Machine 3-4 sets 10-12 reps
Lying Tricep Extensions 12, 10, 8, 6, 12
Cable Pressdowns 4 sets 12-15 reps
HIIT 15-20 Minutes 1minute 5km/hr 1 minute 8-14km/h

Day 2: Back, Biceps, Forearms
Lateral Pull-downs 4 sets 10-12 reps
Seated Cable Rows 12, 10, 8, 6, 12
one hand dumbell rows 4 Sets 10-12 reps
Straight Barbell Curls 12, 10, 8, 6, 12
Seated Incline Dumbbell Curls 4 sets 10-12 reps
Reverse Barbell Curls 4 sets 10-12 reps
Wrist Curls 4 sets 10-12 reps
HIIT 15-20 Minutes 1minute 5km/hr 1 minute 8-14km/h

I repeated that 2-3 times a week thats what I did during the time I took the picture and sent it to your inbox. now I just eat what ever I usually dont have breakfast and I usually just go to a bagel factor and get a bagel there for lunch. My college timetable is screwed up as it can get so I haven't planned anything to get back into the gym since I started. And the college gym should be opening up soon again so im going to go there during my free time. Im hoping to get back into the gym on monday but stick to it 6 days a week. Im really starting to get depressed with not going to the gym I feel like an emotional wreck at times lately.

If you got a recommended diet and workout plan please do share :) im gonna start cooking food and bringing it into college for lunch and packing lunch for the snacks again.

while I was working out before I wasn't fond of the barbell bench press or incline barbell bench press I just didn't feel like it was doing much to my chest felt more of a workout when I done a dumbbell bench press flat and incline felt like it was working the muscle more
 
Man dont under estimate natty potential with diet nailed in..that body is totally attainable drug free... Will take you sometime but im sure all the exp guys here will know and probably agree .get ur diet and training to perfection and ull be on the right track.

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heres how my body looked like before when I was training regularly

I want to get back into it on monday and workout through to Saturday
but the bad thing is that I have college mon-thursday and on tuesdays I start college at 10am and finish at 9:30pm :P yes 9:30pm haha I need to start bringing in good food into college rather than buying out e.g fast food

if you got recommendations on workouts and diets please throw them at me because id love to build that body natty style
 
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heres how my body looked like before when I was training regularly

I want to get back into it on monday and workout through to Saturday
but the bad thing is that I have college mon-thursday and on tuesdays I start college at 10am and finish at 9:30pm :P yes 9:30pm haha I need to start bringing in good food into college rather than buying out e.g fast food

if you got recommendations on workouts and diets please throw them at me because id love to build that body natty style

Keep things SIMPLE. I cant view the pics for some reason im on my phone but look into diet and macros... For training i dont care if ur "cutting" do not lift light..its good to change intensity but stick to heavy weight witj good form and focus on hitting.your compounds like bench squat dl..
If u got school all day so did I last year from 9am - 1030 pm but i had a break inbetween and you would see me on campus walking around.with a big ass lunch bag, gym bag, school bag.. For diet in school learn to prep food... Again SIMPLE I would.cok rice and chicken on sat..it would last me a week or so..or Id throw in oats whey in a shaker cup inbetween classes...takes 2mins to make and.drink..would keep u full til u actually grab a.real meal...

Hope that helps man... But interms of training,throw in supersets but I suggest do the traditional isolation and ull be set bro...ex. Chest mon...legs tuesday..wed rest ...thrs back etc...its all cals in cals out...
Ive done.comp. Pl and had my.bench go up by 25 lbs in 4 weeks once just to hit the 3 plate mark hehe if ur interested on strength routines let me know ill throw some things that really worked for me.
GL.
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hit me up with a list of food you brought to school :D I find it that food aint so nice when they aint fresh especially salad they usually become soggy apart from fruit salads.
Rice and chicken sound good any good receips?

Im interesting in building up to 20lbs of muscle so if you got any good building mass material hit em up even if they are filled with rocks :P throw em at me haha even diet plans for mass building I know that its different for everyone and you have to alter to what way it suits you and your gains that you achieve
 
5x5 is too boring I did it before when I tried power lifting. I felt like I got better results from pyramid workouts now I just want a fitness body type. My college is opening up its gym on Wednesday so my plan is to do something like

Mon - Chest
Barbell Bench Presses 4 sets: 1 set of 15 rep warm-up:

Stripping last two sets (whatever this means)
Barbell incline Bench press 4 Sets: Same formula as bench presses every third workout, substitute dumbbell presses and incline dumbbell presses for barbell exercises (might do it every second workout as I feel like they work better on me than barbell)
Dumbbell Fly’s 3 sets of 10, 8, 6
Decline Barbell bench press: 3 sets of 15, 10, and 8 reps
Pullovers: 3 sets of 15 reps each
15 min Cardio workout 1min 5km 1 min 8-14km/hr

Tuesday: since I am in college late and when gym opens up there I can go to the gym there and use the chin up bar so I got to start chinning up
Back day
Chin-Ups 4 Sets: 10 Reps, First few weeks until I build my strength up I’ll do 1-5 reps and possibly every second set do like 3 reps but go down really slowly
Close Grip Chins: 4 sets 10 reps each, same as ordinary chin ups
T-bar Rows 4 sets 15,12,8, 6 reps
Bent-over barbell rows 5 sets 8-12 reps
Deadlifts 4 sets 15, 12, 8, and 6
Abdominals p90x abs ripper x workout 15min workout
15 min Cardio workout 1min 5km 1 min 8-14km/hr



Wednesdays:
Squats 5 sets of 20 rep warm-up: 10, 8, 6, 4
Front Squats 5 sets 10, 8, 8, and 6
Hack Squats 3 sets of 10 reps each
Leg curls 4 sets 20, 10, 8, 6
Standing leg curls 4 sets 10 reps
Straight leg deadlifts 3 sets 10 reps each
Donkey calf raises 4 sets 10 reps
Standing calf raises 4 sets 15, 10, 8, 8
15 min Cardio workout 1min 5km 1 min 8-14km/hr


Thursdays Shoulders
Behind-the-neck barbell presses 5 sets of 15, 10,8,8,6
Lateral Raises 4 sets 8 reps
Bent over dumbbell laterals 4 sets 8 reps
Dumbbell shrugs 3 sets 10 reps
P90x abs ripper x 15min workout
15 min Cardio workout 1min 5km 1 min 8-14km/hr

Friday’s upper arms, Forearms, Calves
Standing barbell curls 5 sets 15, 10,8,6,4
Incline dumbbell curls 4 sets 8 reps each
Concentration curls 3 sets 8 reps each
Lying triceps extensions 4 sets 15, 10, 8, 6
Triceps cable press downs 3 sets 8 reps
One-arm triceps extensions 3 sets 10 reps each
Barbell wrist curls 4 x10
Reverse wrist curls 3 x 10
Seated calf raises 4 xs until failure
15 min Cardio workout 1min 5km 1 min 8-14km/hr


Saturday: 30min HIIT workout (got to check my folders in the attic for a really good workout I found online like 2 years ago got me from 10min jogging to 1hour 10min jogging in 1 month :)) + Abdominal workout


Diet
Breakfast: 1 whole-wheat slice or half a bagel. +3 egg whites 1 yolk
Snack: 1 Protein shake whey 100% gold standard + banana
Lunch: Grilled Chicken breast + Boiled Brown Rice + Boiled Broccoli (this stuff should be fine cold)
Snack: Handful of nuts + piece of fruit.
Pre-workout: Jack3D
Workout
Dinner: 1 Sirloin Steak, + boiled veggies (got to love the veggies: D)
Snack: 1 casein protein shakes
Sleep time :)
Mon - Thursdays imp in college
So I might prep the chicken and rice on Sunday night for 2 days then wake up early on Wednesday morning and prep 2 more days of food
Friday - Sunday I am off from College so I can cook on the day although it will be probably more convenient if I cooked 2 meals at the same time


anyone got any suggestions on changes to this workout please let me know and diet also. How long should I stick to a workout like this before changing?

Workout was taken from Arnold Schwarzenegger The New Encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding Love this book and had it on the desk so created this workout from that did very minor changes he had 2 workotus on the same day which would be to intense for an amature like me plus I ain't juicing yet
 
Lookup wendlers 5/3/1 with the Bodybuilders assisted program. Might be right up your ally I'm currently using it and its my fav routine by far


Ride it like you stole it!!
 
Building mass is my priority not so much strength even though ill be doing a pyramid type workout up above which will build strength to some extent


ohh I see it now sorry :)
"Bodybuilder Assistance Work

From the Wendler 5/3/1 E-Book .

Squat Workout Day - Assistance Option A

Hack Squat: 4 sets of 10-20 reps
Leg Extension: 4 sets of 10-30 reps
Leg Curl: 4 sets of 10-15 reps
Weighted Sit up: 4 sets of 10 reps
Squat Workout Day - Assistance Option B

45 Degree Leg Press – 4 sets of 10-20 reps
Leg Extension – 4 sets of 10-30 reps
Leg Curl – 4 sets of 10-15 reps
Weighted Sit up – 4 sets of 10 reps
Bench Press Workout Day - Assistance option A

Dumbbell Bench Press: 4 sets of 10-20 reps
Chest Dip (weighted): 4 sets of 8-15 reps
Dumbbell Flys: 4 sets of 12 reps
Cable Tricep Extension: 4 sets of 10-20 reps
Bench Press Workout Day - Assistance option B

Incline Dumbbell Bench Press – 4 sets of 10-20 reps
Chest Dip (weighted) – 4 sets of 8-15 reps
Dumbbell Flys – 4 sets of 12 reps
Cable Tricep Extension – 4 sets of 10-20 reps
Deadlift Workout Day - Assistance Option A

Chin Up: 4 sets of 10-12 reps
Bent Over Dumbbell Row: 4 sets of 15 reps/arm
Back Raises: 4 sets of 10 reps (with bar behind neck)
Hanging Leg Raises: 4 sets of 15 reps
Deadlift Workout Day - Assistance Option B

Lat Pull Down – 4 sets of 10-12 reps
Bent Over Row – 4 sets of 15 reps/arm
Reverse Hyperextensions – 4 sets of 12 reps
Hanging Leg Raises – 4 sets of 15 reps
Overhead Press Workout Day - Assistance Option A

Seated Dumbbell Press: 4 sets of 10 reps
Barbell Upright Row: 4 sets of 10 reps
Dumbbell Lateral Raise: 4 sets of 10-15 reps
Standing Barbell Curl: 4 sets of 10 reps
Overhead Press Workout Day - Assistance Option B

Hammer Machine Military – 4 sets of 10 reps
Rope Upright Rows – 4 sets of 10 reps
Bent Over Dumbbell Reverse Fly – 4 sets of 10-15 reps
Standing Dumbbell Curl – 4 sets of 10 reps"
yea it looks good
 
And with added strength comes size if your eating big. Strong core lifts also builds hard muscle. The kind that you look at a dude and be like yeah he's got size but he's hard as granite.


Ride it like you stole it!!
 
bro, your not going to gain size with that kind of workout... your in a stage 1 type of training doing that high of reps... your not going to gain size and mass that way... your in a stabilization level... you need to be training hypertrophy... 4 sets of 8-10 reps at 85% of your max... you won't be doing anymore than 10 reps at 85% of your max... you should be fucking hurting like a motherfucker after these workouts... this is how you are gong to get the most size... change your routine...
 
bro, your not going to gain size with that kind of workout... your in a stage 1 type of training doing that high of reps... your not going to gain size and mass that way... your in a stabilization level... you need to be training hypertrophy... 4 sets of 8-10 reps at 85% of your max... you won't be doing anymore than 10 reps at 85% of your max... you should be fucking hurting like a motherfucker after these workouts... this is how you are gong to get the most size... change your routine...

None of my exercises involves any more than 10 reps there are a few with 15 reps as a warmup or 20 reps as a warmup for leg workouts. What else is bad about them? most are also 3-4 sets
 
half of what you have listed says 10-20 reps or 8-15... your not lifting heavy enough if your able to get that many reps up...

you came with the questions yet everything people are advising your acting like you already know everything... there's a reason your not growing... your workouts are flawed... take it how you will... post your workout in the proper section and get more opinions, which will continue to tell you to change things...
 
Sorry I think your misunderstanding I just said that looked good didnt say I was going to do that workout

Heres what I said I was gonna most likely do unless someone advice's me to change something along this workout
"Mon - Chest
Barbell Bench Presses 4 sets: 1 set of 15 rep warm-up:

Stripping last two sets (whatever this means)
Barbell incline Bench press 4 Sets: Same formula as bench presses every third workout, substitute dumbbell presses and incline dumbbell presses for barbell exercises (might do it every second workout as I feel like they work better on me than barbell)
Dumbbell Fly’s 3 sets of 10, 8, 6
Decline Barbell bench press: 3 sets of 15, 10, and 8 reps
Pullovers: 3 sets of 15 reps each
15 min Cardio workout 1min 5km 1 min 8-14km/hr

Tuesday: since I am in college late and when gym opens up there I can go to the gym there and use the chin up bar so I got to start chinning up
Back day
Chin-Ups 4 Sets: 10 Reps, First few weeks until I build my strength up I’ll do 1-5 reps and possibly every second set do like 3 reps but go down really slowly
Close Grip Chins: 4 sets 10 reps each, same as ordinary chin ups
T-bar Rows 4 sets 15,12,8, 6 reps
Bent-over barbell rows 5 sets 8-12 reps
Deadlifts 4 sets 15, 12, 8, and 6
Abdominals p90x abs ripper x workout 15min workout
15 min Cardio workout 1min 5km 1 min 8-14km/hr



Wednesdays:
Squats 5 sets of 20 rep warm-up: 10, 8, 6, 4
Front Squats 5 sets 10, 8, 8, and 6
Hack Squats 3 sets of 10 reps each
Leg curls 4 sets 20, 10, 8, 6
Standing leg curls 4 sets 10 reps
Straight leg deadlifts 3 sets 10 reps each
Donkey calf raises 4 sets 10 reps
Standing calf raises 4 sets 15, 10, 8, 8
15 min Cardio workout 1min 5km 1 min 8-14km/hr


Thursdays Shoulders
Behind-the-neck barbell presses 5 sets of 15, 10,8,8,6
Lateral Raises 4 sets 8 reps
Bent over dumbbell laterals 4 sets 8 reps
Dumbbell shrugs 3 sets 10 reps
P90x abs ripper x 15min workout
15 min Cardio workout 1min 5km 1 min 8-14km/hr

Friday’s upper arms, Forearms, Calves
Standing barbell curls 5 sets 15, 10,8,6,4
Incline dumbbell curls 4 sets 8 reps each
Concentration curls 3 sets 8 reps each
Lying triceps extensions 4 sets 15, 10, 8, 6
Triceps cable press downs 3 sets 8 reps
One-arm triceps extensions 3 sets 10 reps each
Barbell wrist curls 4 x10
Reverse wrist curls 3 x 10
Seated calf raises 4 xs until failure
15 min Cardio workout 1min 5km 1 min 8-14km/hr


Saturday: 30min HIIT workout (got to check my folders in the attic for a really good workout I found online like 2 years ago got me from 10min jogging to 1hour 10min jogging in 1 month ) + Abdominal workout


Diet
Breakfast: 1 whole-wheat slice or half a bagel. +3 egg whites 1 yolk
Snack: 1 Protein shake whey 100% gold standard + banana
Lunch: Grilled Chicken breast + Boiled Brown Rice + Boiled Broccoli (this stuff should be fine cold)
Snack: Handful of nuts + piece of fruit.
Pre-workout: Jack3D
Workout
Dinner: 1 Sirloin Steak, + boiled veggies (got to love the veggies: D)
Snack: 1 casein protein shakes
Sleep time
Mon - Thursdays imp in college
So I might prep the chicken and rice on Sunday night for 2 days then wake up early on Wednesday morning and prep 2 more days of food
Friday - Sunday I am off from College so I can cook on the day although it will be probably more convenient if I cooked 2 meals at the same time


anyone got any suggestions on changes to this workout please let me know and diet also. How long should I stick to a workout like this before changing?
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Your diet is also light for a guy wanting to thicken up, in my opinion.

You say that you want to look athletic like the actor in the picture you posted. That man has some thickness to him. To get that, change up your workout as Dylan or I suggested.

This thread would be better placed in the diet and training forums.
 
5x5 gives you solid mass if you eat properly.

fun should not be a factor in determining what you do. you do what you gotta do to reach your goals. if it means doing what you absolutely hate, then you do that.
 
1. Don't do juice. you have no base.--don't take prohormones either- and don't go out and buy a mass gainer.

2. School isn't an excuse- I'm a Pre-Med & Finance major working 20+ hours a week n keeping great grades-still find gym time.

3. It will be important for you to keep a solid diet that YOU STICK TO DAY IN AND DAY OUT!--This is key man!

4. Routine wise-- before you were doing the typical upper body only workout- I saw that you are switching to include legs---good! they are the foundation!
I would do something like Upper/Lower 2x a week since you are a beginner-- 4x a week you are in the gym-- Make it count!

Upper-
Bench--3x5
DB Incline- 3x6-8 reps
OHP- 4x6-8 reps
Dumbbell Rows-4x8-12 reps (focus on back working
Pull-Ups- 4xmax

Lower:
Squats-3x5
Stiff legged DL- 4x6-12 reps-use 25lb plates to get a better stretch and don't go too heavy, no need to show off
Lunges- 4xreally far

Upper:
Overhead Press- 3x5 reps
DB Flat Bench-3x6-8 reps
Lat Pulldowns- 4x8-12 reps
T-Bar Rows (or any sort of row really)- 4x6-12 reps
Rear delt flyes-4x12+ reps

Lower:
DL-3x5
Front Squat- 4x6-10 reps (keep tight form)
Leg Curls-3x8-15 (don't jerk weight up)

You'll notice there's no direct arm work--build a base first and get some respectable lifts--then worry about the guns. (if you must--throw in a few curls n pushdowns on upper days-not necessarily both days)


Diet wise--Whole foods. Turkey, chicken, beef, fish, nuts, greens, rice, olive oil, greek yogurt, whole eggs. --make these the cornerstone of your diet. The occasional burger won't kill you-you're 21, live a little.
 
Buildingup what would be wrong with going to do the 6 day workout I posted? Your workout looks good how much rest time would you recommend 30-50seconds? I usually do 30seconds or so then 1 minute inbetween different exercise groups

I'm gonna go food shopping today or tomorrow and pick up more food for the house. I'm going to go to the gym tomorrow and hit it hard like old times I worked out for 3-4 years and I got no serious gains at all I lift heavy as well and break a sweat each time I workout I usually do around 100kg squats 5-10 reps I got my squatting to 210kg when I was trying to powerlift before with 3 reps now I do around 80kg-100kg 12 reps+ Barbell Bench press I got around 70-80kg 10 reps which is 155lbs or so I do around 60kg with higher rep range 10-15 reps. Barbell shoulder press I always found it that it didn't do me quite good always felt like the muscle wasn't worked out enough I did around 40-50kg 5-10 reps, deadlifting I did around 100kg 10 reps I use to do 180kg 6 reps before but now I do around 100kg but keep it in nice form and slower
I think one of the main reasons I stopped going to the gym the last 5months or so was due to the lack of gains and ever since that I always wanted to use steroids or growth hormones

so my workout or your workout?
 
You're still a beginner.
When I say beginner, I mean, you still have a lot of room to grow naturally.

Having said this, I PERSONALLY believe a higher frequency approach would work better for you. I say this because more frequency allows you to get stronger because of the neurological benefits- mainly, squatting 2x a week helps you master the movement n get stronger than 1x a week.

Now if u were squatting 350+ lbs for 5-6 sets, that may be a different story. (350 is just a number, that's not "the benchmark" by any means)
 
Training and diet are terrible. No offence but you dont even look like uv lifted a weight in your life. training wise 5x5 is the best you will get... Alternatively , how I train ...

Mon: chest and arms
Wed: legs calves abs
Fri: back shoulders

I include very limited isolation work, like a few sets. Also aim for cardio 1-2 times a week. Dont train to failure every set or do super sets or any of that crap, just lift heavy hard and intensely and make sure ur lifting more every week. Include whole milk, oats, nuts, cottage cheese, chicken, tuna, and eggs. Supps u want whey and creatine, nothing else. Hope this helps
 
I had a lamb roast for dinner and like 4 baby potatoes and some carrots and parsnip that was dinner, breakfast/lunch I had a chicken breast sandwich with sundried tomatoes and humus :D

I dont drink or smoke, I only drink ones ever so often if there is a special occasion or a party thats about it but like ones ever 1-2months maybe.

I have a autoimmune thyroid disease, iv had it for the last 4 years that could be a main reason of my crappy gains.

todays breakfast was oatmeal, 1 protein shake
snack : handful of mixed nuts
lunch : I had left over 3 baby potatoes and half a plate of lamb :D

still to have pre gym snack : banana+protein shake blended up together. and Jack3D then im gonna go hit the gym

dinner: Chicken is ready to be grilled marinated in Olive oil, Grounded peppers and mixed herbs. Gonna have rice with that and possibly frozen green beans or mixed frozen vegetables boiled of course
 
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