Beginner Stack

[AirWolf]

Hey - I've been doing a lot of reading over the past few months and I'm looking for some personalized advice for a good steriod stack. I'm 26 and I've been lifting regularly since I was about 13. I'm 6'2 230 with a bf% of around 17. My current regiment is to lift 4 days a week and do cardio 3. I probably drink too much, but I'm willing to give it up during a cycle since I hear they are bad to combine.

I was thinking of something like this

Test Propionate - 100mg (eod)
Deca 300-400mg a week

And maybe some Winstrol late in the cycle??

Any suggestions?

 

[georgie24]

hell yea good stack you got outlined there! what kind of deca do you have? npp? you can run test/winny/deca all for 6 weeks then pct

 

[AirWolf]

hell yea good stack you got outlined there! what kind of deca do you have? npp? you can run test/winny/deca all for 6 weeks then pct

Thanks for the fast reply - I don't have anything yet - still reading up...and trying to figure everything out. What do you mean by 'then pct'?

Oh - and what sort of anti-estro do you guys recommend??

 

[CLOMIDCLOWN]

Whoa... PCT is Post Cycle Therapy. Its what helps you maintain all those hard earned gains you made during cycle. Without it, you lose almost everything and even fuck up your endocrine system. Look for the PCT forum/stickey at the top of anabolic forum. That should help you.

As far as anti-e's some will say arimidex or nolvadex which is fine. However you need something for the deca because it aromatizes into progesterone not estrogen that causes the bitch tits. Look into dostinex (very expensive) OR run the winstrol with the deca as winstrol should help by competing for receptors. This winstrol thing is what a lot of ppl do but there is no literature supporting it. I personally am running a similar cycle with dbol though, and wouldnt leave home without the dostinex.

Feel free to PM me with any questions!

 

[nydj66]

I have run test/deca cycles with as much as 800mg test and 600mg deca per week without any signs of gyno. Some people are just more prone to it than others.

It's a good idea to have some Nolvadex and dostinex on hand in case gyno developes (the Nolva can be used for PCT anyway). But I don't see the point in planning to take it through an entire cycle unless you know you're prone to gyno.

 

[AirWolf]

Been looking around for dostinex, ancillaryguys doesn't seem to carry it, is it gray market? And are you guys recommending a 6 week cycle for the first time?

So it would look like this

Test Prop (100mg EoD) (weeks 1-6)
Deca (300mg/week) (weeks 1-6)
winny (???) (weeks 1-6)

nolva (15mg/day) (weeks 1-6)
clomid (50mg/day) (weeks 7-9)

Is that a decent start? And what cost ranges should I look at?

 

[hammertime30]

I have run test/deca cycles with as much as 800mg test and 600mg deca per week without any signs of gyno. Some people are just more prone to it than others.

It's a good idea to have some Nolvadex and dostinex on hand in case gyno developes (the Nolva can be used for PCT anyway). But I don't see the point in planning to take it through an entire cycle unless you know you're prone to gyno.

I don't know your bf % but at 17% he is a good candidate for gyno!

 

[flex2win]

You've got the start of a good cycle here...i would alter a couple of things..run the deca for 8 weeks since it's longer acting, same thing with the prop, if not 10 weeks...winny tabs in the middle thru to the end...dostinex and nolva on hand..something like this..
Wk 1-10: 100mg prop/eod
Wk 1-8: 200-400mg deca
Wk 5-10: 40mg/ed winny tabs
Good luck....

 

[mrjrock19]

You've got the start of a good cycle here...i would alter a couple of things..run the deca for 8 weeks since it's longer acting, same thing with the prop, if not 10 weeks...winny tabs in the middle thru to the end...dostinex and nolva on hand..something like this..
Wk 1-10: 100mg prop/eod
Wk 1-8: 200-400mg deca
Wk 5-10: 40mg/ed winny tabs
Good luck....

i like this but i would run test enan/cyp instead of prop. that's a lot of shots for a first timer.. and since you are a big guy i would go with 400 mg/deca and push the winny back to weeks 7-12. but if you run prop keep it at 5-10

 

[black_stripe1658]

I agree injecting eod may not be favorable for first cycle. If there is going to be bi weekly injections then sustanon is another option.