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Genetix Fitness

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have decided to take steroids but what are the best steroid cycles for a beginner these were the ones i was looking at trying

Anastrolzole
Winstrol
Nandrolone
Dianabol
Deca Durabolin



My goal is to get lean muscle mass fast but i dont want to build up alot of water retention and so i can have a faster recovery times so i dont have to take a day off inbetween a workout.

Could you at EliteFitness help me find a good cycle for a begginer please post your experiences with steroids what worked and what didnt for you.

Thankyou


Note: I have posted the same thread on iSteroids im trying to get enough information on steroids so i dont seriously hurt myself please post if you have any knowledge on steroids.
 
1. pm needtogetaas and he will most likely give you a free platinum membership
2. use the "search" function to do a lot of research
3. post up stats about yourself (ie, age, years lifting etc.
4. it's obvious that you need to do more research because anastrolzole isn't a steroid and deca durabolin IS a nadrolone
 
Genetix Fitness said:
have decided to take steroids but what are the best steroid cycles for a beginner these were the ones i was looking at trying

Anastrolzole
Winstrol
Nandrolone
Dianabol
Deca Durabolin



My goal is to get lean muscle mass fast but i dont want to build up alot of water retention and so i can have a faster recovery times so i dont have to take a day off inbetween a workout.

Could you at EliteFitness help me find a good cycle for a begginer please post your experiences with steroids what worked and what didnt for you.

Thankyou


Note: I have posted the same thread on iSteroids im trying to get enough information on steroids so i dont seriously hurt myself please post if you have any knowledge on steroids.
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Here we go with "GOALS" again. It doesn't work like that.

Unless you have a foundation, steroids will just blow you up a bit, all of which will be lost as soon as you stop and all you'll have left is a limp dick. That's the one horror story the media tells that's true.

Steroids can do amazing things, but there's more to it than just knowing "which one to take."
 
where do I begin. I love when I hear goals such as

I want lean hard muscle fast
I dont want any water retention
I want zero side effects
I want to put on 40lbs in 12 weeks of pure muscle, no fat
I want to have threesomes with Carmen Electra and Jessica Alba
I want my dick to get bigger
I want to melt the fat off and get huge at the same time
I want to win the lottery
Oh yeah and I also dont like injecting so orals only please.

Jesus Christ. How old are you? You sound like youre 13 years old. Spend about 8 hours reading and doing some research first before you post up a lazy ass, half assed, ridiculous post like that. If you had spent 5 minutes reading you would already know Anastrozole is an anti-estrogen.
 
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atown777 said:
where do I begin. I love when I hear goals such as

I want lean hard muscle fast
I dont want any water retention
I want zero side effects
I want to put on 40lbs in 12 weeks of pure muscle, no fat
I want to have threesomes with Carmen Electra and Jessica Alba
I want my dick to get bigger
I want to melt the fat off and get huge at the same time
I want to win the lottery
Oh yeah and I also dont like injecting so orals only please.

Jesus Christ. How old are you? You sound like youre 13 years old. Spend about 8 hours reading and doing some research first before you post up a lazy ass, half assed, ridiculous post like that. If you had spent 5 minutes reading you would already know Anastrozole is an anti-estrogen.
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why do we always have to be so rude to new people. i bet he goes somewhere else.
 
joe d said:
why do we always have to be so rude to new people. i bet he goes somewhere else.
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because its ridiculous how lazy newbies are. They have no business asking for help until they have gotten off their lazy asses and done some research.

Anyone who thinks Anastrozole is a steroid hasnt done 30 seconds of research. Where did he get the name "Anastrozole" from? by doing a Google search? well if he did Google search it AND actually took 5 minutes to read about it then he'd know it's an anti-estrogen.

I bet he goes onto several boards until some veteran says, hey bro, yeah go ahead and start with a gram a week of test for 12 weeks and see how that goes. Then this newbie takes some unsafe advice meant as a joke and goes and hurts himself in the process.

When all he needs is a good kick in the ass. He needs to read up on his own so that he can get a decent knowledge base on compounds, doses, side effects. That way when some Vet gives him shitty advice he knows better than to take it!
 
atown777 said:
because its ridiculous how lazy newbies are. They have no business asking for help until they have gotten off their lazy asses and done some research.

Anyone who thinks Anastrozole is a steroid hasnt done 30 seconds of research. Where did he get the name "Anastrozole" from? by doing a Google search? well if he did Google search it AND actually took 5 minutes to read about it then he'd know it's an anti-estrogen.

I bet he goes onto several boards until some veteran says, hey bro, yeah go ahead and start with a gram a week of test for 12 weeks and see how that goes. Then this newbie takes some unsafe advice meant as a joke and goes and hurts himself in the process.

When all he needs is a good kick in the ass. He needs to read up on his own so that he can get a decent knowledge base on compounds, doses, side effects. That way when some Vet gives him shitty advice he knows better than to take it!
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no disagreement that a noob can be lazy--let's face it the perception is the steroids are like vitamins--take two a day and lift a bus.

That said, i wish i had a dime for every time i put my foot in my mouth so let just give the new bro a chance and see if we can point him in the right direction--I don't mean designing a cycle for him, but the giving him the tools to learn how to do it himself and come back to us to hone it a bit.
 
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I think it's important to let newbies know this shit is serious. If all we ask is age, stats, etc and then go about recommending a cycle, they wind up bypassing a lot of research, investigation and training options, which in the end, will make them better bodybuilders.
 
atown777 said:
because its ridiculous how lazy newbies are. They have no business asking for help until they have gotten off their lazy asses and done some research.

Anyone who thinks Anastrozole is a steroid hasnt done 30 seconds of research. Where did he get the name "Anastrozole" from? by doing a Google search? well if he did Google search it AND actually took 5 minutes to read about it then he'd know it's an anti-estrogen.

I bet he goes onto several boards until some veteran says, hey bro, yeah go ahead and start with a gram a week of test for 12 weeks and see how that goes. Then this newbie takes some unsafe advice meant as a joke and goes and hurts himself in the process.

When all he needs is a good kick in the ass. He needs to read up on his own so that he can get a decent knowledge base on compounds, doses, side effects. That way when some Vet gives him shitty advice he knows better than to take it!
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i agree with every point in both posts. i also know that they all could have been worded in a much less offensive way. i think ef could be even better than it is without all of the in your face rude comments. im not trying to tell you what to do im just stating my opinion with this sight in mind. i could be completely wrong.
 
Nelson Montana said:
I think it's important to let newbies know this shit is serious. If all we ask is age, stats, etc and then go about recommending a cycle, they wind up bypassing a lot of research, investigation and training options, which in the end, will make them better bodybuilders.
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agreed, but cut him a little slack lol, this poor guy is getting a mouth fool from everyone lol
 
Genetix Fitness said:
have decided to take steroids but what are the best steroid cycles for a beginner these were the ones i was looking at trying

Anastrolzole
Winstrol
Nandrolone
Dianabol
Deca Durabolin



My goal is to get lean muscle mass fast but i dont want to build up alot of water retention and so i can have a faster recovery times so i dont have to take a day off inbetween a workout.

Could you at EliteFitness help me find a good cycle for a begginer please post your experiences with steroids what worked and what didnt for you.

Thankyou


Note: I have posted the same thread on iSteroids im trying to get enough information on steroids so i dont seriously hurt myself please post if you have any knowledge on steroids.
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How old are you? What is you height, weight and approx. BF%? How long have you been lifting weights?
 
Hmm..
This thread is a straight assault, lol.
Did you guys not read the Thread Title? "Beginner Needs Help".
Should have prepped you for a newb question.
Everyone's in agreement that AAS is serious, so personally I think it's important for newbs to ask there "stupid questions", before they make stupid mistakes.
I'm a newb myself, haven't done any sort of cycle yet, but it's replies like seen in this thread that make me weary of asking questions publicly in the AAS forum.

My 2 cents.
 
Gawd said:
Hmm..
This thread is a straight assault, lol.
Did you guys not read the Thread Title? "Beginner Needs Help".
Should have prepped you for a newb question.
Everyone's in agreement that AAS is serious, so personally I think it's important for newbs to ask there "stupid questions", before they make stupid mistakes.
I'm a newb myself, haven't done any sort of cycle yet, but it's replies like seen in this thread that make me weary of asking questions publicly in the AAS forum.

My 2 cents.
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I think this board is pretty good at giving helpful advice, unlike some boards where if you don't belong to the resident "clique" you're outcasted. At the same time, I don't see why a little reality check is considered so harsh. When you learn to drive you don't get in a car and say " where's the ignition key and nearest racetrack? " There are steps to take. If the poster wants to know what those are, I'm sure he'd get a lot of help.
 
Hey Nelson, Yea, a reality check is fine.
It's posts like the one below i'm talking about.

It's unnecessary, making a post with your questions is one form of research, it should at least provide him with some info to get him started on his own research.


atown777 said:
where do I begin. I love when I hear goals such as

I want lean hard muscle fast
I dont want any water retention
I want zero side effects
I want to put on 40lbs in 12 weeks of pure muscle, no fat
I want to have threesomes with Carmen Electra and Jessica Alba
I want my dick to get bigger
I want to melt the fat off and get huge at the same time
I want to win the lottery
Oh yeah and I also dont like injecting so orals only please.

Jesus Christ. How old are you? You sound like youre 13 years old. Spend about 8 hours reading and doing some research first before you post up a lazy ass, half assed, ridiculous post like that. If you had spent 5 minutes reading you would already know Anastrozole is an anti-estrogen.
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Gawd said:
Hey Nelson, Yea, a reality check is fine.
It's posts like the one below i'm talking about.

It's unnecessary, making a post with your questions is one form of research, it should at least provide him with some info to get him started on his own research.
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I see the argument from both sides. that being said i do think his original question was laziness straight up.
how hard is it to google or wiki those compounds, sit read and take it in. Thats why i know why some guys get pissed because the guy couldnt be fucked doing any research, He just posts up with 10-20 questions and expects them to be answered .
 
Opinion On My First Cycle

Age: 23
Height: 5 11
WeightLifting XP: 4 years
Weight: 175 Pounds
Sleep: 6-7 hours
Diet: Strict High Protein
Workout 4 - 5 Days

Test E weeks 1-10 400mgs weekly

Dbol weeks 1-4 35mgs dbol daily

Arimidex .5mg Daily

PCT Week 11
Day 1 - 22

Firstly I got this cycle from an old thread Dbol Only Cycle.
1st Should i do less dbol because this is my first cycle
2nd should i keep clomid as a pct or replace it with Nolvadex some people say Nolva is better on this board
3rd While On this cycle should i drink more water and do no cardio
4thWhen on PCT what should my diet be more CAL? i read in a post that how much you gain is duely down to your PCT diet
5th When Should i finnish the arimidex


And is there anything wrong with this or anything you would recomend adding to this

NOTE: Dont Start Flaming because ive only been reading about steroids for a couple of weeks and post a better cycle if you want
 
Re: Opinion On My First Cycle

I Know I Meant My Diet Was Well Calculated I Didnt Mean i was a vegatarian or something i have 5 meals a day and yes its after Test E PCT Starts thanks:)
 
OK, OK, yes I was a little harsh on the poor little fella. But I didnt mean to assault him verbally. What I would like this kid to do is spend hours upon hours reading about gear online. Then he can ask us intelligent questions and we can answer them based on our first hand experience. But until he takes the time to do his homework he is just being lazy. And "lazy" is putting it mildly. If you add up all the hours we have spent reading about gear we could all be considered 1st hand Professors. So I dont understand why newbies are so lazy. These are the same people who want to get huge but dont even want to take the time to read about proper nutrition, form, exercises, what type of bodytype/genetics he has, best training splits for his body type etc... So I apologize for my harshness. Let me say that I recommend you start by Google steroids and spend a week studying and reading about the various compounds, how they work, how and why each one produces certain negative side effects, how side effects can be minimized etc.

More importantly do you have a solid understanding of nutrition and training? How old are you? How long have you been training?
 
Re: Opinion On My First Cycle

Genetix Fitness said:
Age: 23
Height: 5 11
WeightLifting XP: 4 years
Weight: 175 Pounds
Sleep: 6-7 hours
Diet: Strict High Protein
Workout 4 - 5 Days

Test E weeks 1-10 400mgs weekly

Dbol weeks 1-4 35mgs dbol daily

Arimidex .5mg Daily

PCT Week 11
Day 1 - 22

Firstly I got this cycle from an old thread Dbol Only Cycle.
1st Should i do less dbol because this is my first cycle
2nd should i keep clomid as a pct or replace it with Nolvadex some people say Nolva is better on this board
3rd While On this cycle should i drink more water and do no cardio
4thWhen on PCT what should my diet be more CAL? i read in a post that how much you gain is duely down to your PCT diet
5th When Should i finnish the arimidex


And is there anything wrong with this or anything you would recomend adding to this

NOTE: Dont Start Flaming because ive only been reading about steroids for a couple of weeks and post a better cycle if you want
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Ok, i'll try to be as clear as possible :)

Firstly; As you your self stated:
Dont Start Flaming because ive only been reading about steroids for a couple of weeks
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You should IMHO do way more research before you go injecting who knows what into your body! DANGER!!

Ok, that being said, you and i both know your going to do what you want irregardless of what I say. So I will try to help you w/ what little knowledge I have gleened from this forum.

@ 5'11 and 175lbs I'll assume your looking to add some size (weight). Yes?

Then you'll need to take in a min. of 4000 clean calories a day. + approx. 200+ gms of protien! Whith out a good diet ou'll be wasting not only your time but your $$ as well!

Ok on to questions:

1.Personally, I think 35mg of Dbol is high. (others may disagree) I would keep it to the 20-25mgs level for your 1st. cycle.

2.I would keep the Nolv. on hand for PCT as well as TRS Also, read and read some more re: PCT on the PCT forum.

3. Drink tons O' water! If you're not getting up @ least once in the middle of the night to take a leak then you're not drinking enough H2O! Try to shoot for @ least 1 gallon (4 liters). More is better though!

4.Well, IMHO you should be taking in 4 - 5000 cals a day on & off cycle unless of course you'r looking to drop weight.

5. Some might say you don't need the dex until you actually feel like you're having sides like bloating (water retention) while on cycle.
 
Re: Opinion On My First Cycle

I would spend a lot more time reading about nutrition and training in general.

1st cycle I would go with Test @ 400mgs weekly for 10 weeks. 12 weeks max.

Then you can see how your body responds to testosterone. 2nd cycle you can add another compound like say D-bol for the 1st 3 weeks.

Spend about 2 more months reading on here and by doing Google searches.

to be safe I would run arimidex daily at .25mg or .5mg throughout entire cycle.

You need to read about injection sites, how to do it safely. Man, you need to pretend you have a course in college about Gear and take it serious brother. Make it your religion. Then when you think you have a decent base of knowledge realize you still know almost nothing and start asking questions on here. There are a lot of potential side effects. You need to understand how to minimize these and if you happen to acquire some how are you going to deal with them?
 
Re: Opinion On My First Cycle

the source check

needto's underground

look into that champ.

needto will co-ordinate absolutely everything for you.
 
Genetix Fitness said:
have decided to take steroids but what are the best steroid cycles for a beginner these were the ones i was looking at trying

Anastrolzole
Winstrol
Nandrolone
Dianabol
Deca Durabolin



My goal is to get lean muscle mass fast but i dont want to build up alot of water retention and so i can have a faster recovery times so i dont have to take a day off inbetween a workout.

Could you at EliteFitness help me find a good cycle for a begginer please post your experiences with steroids what worked and what didnt for you.

Thankyou


Note: I have posted the same thread on iSteroids im trying to get enough information on steroids so i dont seriously hurt myself please post if you have any knowledge on steroids.
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Well You've came to the right place, Please ignore some of the other members,as we get asked questions like this several times a week.

So you want to know if i have any knowledge on steroids, yes,about 26 years worth.

Now I need some info about You! these are the same questions your Dr would ask and add them to his records.

Age, weight, how many years training, what is your food intake like, also your height & weight would help, We can better assist you only if you assist us by providing us with this info.


Welcome to Elite,we hope to make your stay here a very enjoyable and imformative one!


RADAR

(ELITE MENTOR)
 
Re: Opinion On My First Cycle

now, of course, eddy has to urge you to wait at least a few more years....diet and workout is key for you bro....try the OMEGA Project in January--at your age he will make you grow more than any gear.

I think you would be surprised at the number of bros on here that started >30......

and i merged both threads into one.

In any event, I would start with some of the e-books offered on this site---a good place to get the big picture

oh, and I gifted you a 7-day platinum membership to do some research---it is a great tool!
 
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eddymerckx said:
In any event, I would start with some of the e-books offered on this site---a good place to get the big picture
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I like Chemical Muscle Enhancement. I've been reading this book and it's been very informative for a beginner. When I finish I'm sure I'll have some more educated research to do and questions to ask. :)
 
Re: Opinion On My First Cycle

eddymerckx said:
now, of course, eddy has to urge you to wait at least a few more years....diet and workout is key for you bro....try the OMEGA Project in January--at your age he will make you grow more than any gear.

I think you would be surprised at the number of bros on here that started >30......

and i merged both threads into one.

In any event, I would start with some of the e-books offered on this site---a good place to get the big picture

oh, and I gifted you a 7-day platinum membership to do some research---it is a great tool!
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You Devil, i read this and thought i read it right the first time, then all this info comes up i missed! :)


RADAR
 
The reason i came to the forum was to learn about steroids from people who use them not reading some article off google trying to sell there new super product i knew that i would get flamed because i was goin to read about steroids for a couple of months reading about there experiences before i start.

Im goin to do that OMEGA project BTW

But if i do a cycle im still going to do this one thanks

Test E weeks 1-10 400mgs weekly
Dbol weeks 1-4 35mgs dbol daily
Arimidex .5mg daily

Clomid pct
day 1 300mg
day 2-11 100mg ed (every day)
day 12-21 50 mg ed

With Nolva on hand

is that this is too much PCT but this peron off iSteroid.com said thats what he would recomends for a first cycle

Have you seen this

Arnold Schwarzenegger cycle

Thats alot of Dbol for along time isnt it?

how is he still alive hes 61 (If thats is his cycle)



Thanks for the Platinum :)
 
Genetix Fitness said:
The reason i came to the forum was to learn about steroids from people who use them not reading some article off google trying to sell there new super product i knew that i would get flamed because i was goin to read about steroids for a couple of months reading about there experiences before i start.

Im goin to do that OMEGA project BTW

But if i do a cycle im still going to do this one thanks

Test E weeks 1-10 400mgs weekly
Dbol weeks 1-4 35mgs dbol daily
Arimidex .5mg daily

Clomid pct
day 1 300mg
day 2-11 100mg ed (every day)
day 12-21 50 mg ed

With Nolva on hand

is that this is too much PCT but this peron off iSteroid.com said thats what he would recomends for a first cycle

Have you seen this

Arnold Schwarzenegger cycle

Thats alot of Dbol for along time isnt it?

how is he still alive hes 61 (If thats is his cycle)



Thanks for the Platinum :)
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I personally would consider adding the TRS stack from PP to your PCT. (Almost sounds like "code" TRS from PP 2 your PCT. You'll need a CIA translator :))

2nd: Everyone in the "know" know's that Arnold died over 15 years ago and was replaced by a cybernetic something or other! :chesty:

Dbol usually comes in 25 or 50 mg tabs.

In re: your PCT; Check out the PCT forum and you'll find out wether it's kosher or not.

Good Luck w/ the Omega project.. I bet it's crazy awsome!
 
I have Ran 20 week Dbol Cycles, just like Arnold, and still do sometimes.(Yes i know i'm old school)
Thanks to the internet we are better informed about everything.
Ahhhhh! The memories!!!!!....................... :)
RADAR
(ELITE MENTOR)
 
Genetix Fitness said:
The reason i came to the forum was to learn about steroids from people who use them not reading some article off google trying to sell there new super product i knew that i would get flamed because i was goin to read about steroids for a couple of months reading about there experiences before i start.

Im goin to do that OMEGA project BTW

But if i do a cycle im still going to do this one thanks

Test E weeks 1-10 400mgs weekly
Dbol weeks 1-4 35mgs dbol daily
Arimidex .5mg daily

Clomid pct
day 1 300mg
day 2-11 100mg ed (every day)
day 12-21 50 mg ed

With Nolva on hand

is that this is too much PCT but this peron off iSteroid.com said thats what he would recomends for a first cycle

Have you seen this

Arnold Schwarzenegger cycle

Thats alot of Dbol for along time isnt it?

how is he still alive hes 61 (If thats is his cycle)



Thanks for the Platinum :)
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use the nolva for pct instead of clomid.

wk 1 60mg ed
wk 2 40mg ed
wk 3 20mg ed

you should also add something like testosterone recovery stack to your pct

you are using a high dose of adex right off the bat when you dont know how much you actually need. start with .25 eod and go from there. some estro is good. if you take to much away you will not gain as well and you will get sexual problems.

i personally like the dbol only cycle for a first run. no inject problems, short half life, big quick gains, and its easy to do.

like this

cycle:
dbol 25 mg in the am and 25 mg in the pm for 6 wks
adex .25 eod
cycle suport as directed

pct:
test recovery stack for 30 days
nolva
1-7 60mg ed between 3 doses
7-14 40mg ed between 2 doses
14-21 20mg ed between 2 doses
 
Genetix Fitness said:
The reason i came to the forum was to learn about steroids from people who use them not reading some article off google trying to sell there new super product i knew that i would get flamed because i was goin to read about steroids for a couple of months reading about there experiences before i start.

Im goin to do that OMEGA project BTW

But if i do a cycle im still going to do this one thanks

Test E weeks 1-10 400mgs weekly
Dbol weeks 1-4 35mgs dbol daily
Arimidex .5mg daily

Clomid pct
day 1 300mg
day 2-11 100mg ed (every day)
day 12-21 50 mg ed

With Nolva on hand

is that this is too much PCT but this peron off iSteroid.com said thats what he would recomends for a first cycle

Have you seen this

Arnold Schwarzenegger cycle

Thats alot of Dbol for along time isnt it?

how is he still alive hes 61 (If thats is his cycle)



Thanks for the Platinum :)
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1st, before you do a cycle, talk to OMEGA about the OMEGA PROJECT-pretty sure he will not train bros doing a cycle during the Project

2nd, I know you don't want to read a book about gear--but I say this with your best interests at heart----if you do not care enough to read about gear from the masters, you are headed for trouble.

gear use requires a real commitment to learning about your body and how it works...or else you risk doing damage b/c you don't know what to look for/how to do it etc.

ask any vet here---to a man, i would bet every one has at least one book by Llewellyn Montana or Spellwin

Please bro, this is serious shit
 
^^^^^^^^^^

Eddy speaks the truth!
I searched & read everything on this site for 2 yrs before touching Gear!

RADAR
(Elite Mentor)
 
Genetix Fitness said:
Okay thanks ill do get myself an e book sory about links but i thought prov was good with nova for pct
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no worries, that is why we are here.

what you will find is that even the most experienced vets will run a new cycle past the board to get opinions--

as far as prov a/nolva for pct--you will get many different opinions--when you learn about the when, where, when, how and why of PCT you can decide for yourself.

as Radar said, use this site to learn he did, I did (I am 42)---there is a lot of good and bad info out there--that is why I always suggest bros start with a book to build a foundation so you know what questions to ask and what answers just don't sound correct.
 
Genetix Fitness said:
I Think im goin to wait untill jan for the OMEGA project
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smart man. what OMEGA does to bros is just sick--the pics are 100% legit b/c its bros from this board.

make sure to keep reading this board--lots of smart bros--and broettes (Tatyana alone raise the average IQ of the board) on here.

k to you for listening to those trying to help!!!!:D

em
 
Hang in there bro. I joined this site two years ago expecting to learn about a "magic" pill that would make all of my physocal dreams come true. Stick around, read a lot, learn a lot, and don't be in such a rush. I have been here two years and I am still not ready for AAS. In the past two years, I have learned a ton and made some great gains in the gym using other supps than AAS. I am hoping to close down 2009 with my fist cycle, but that will depend on if I am where I want to be. It's not a race, take your time and do it RIGHT.
 
partagus said:
Hang in there bro. I joined this site two years ago expecting to learn about a "magic" pill that would make all of my physocal dreams come true. Stick around, read a lot, learn a lot, and don't be in such a rush. I have been here two years and I am still not ready for AAS. In the past two years, I have learned a ton and made some great gains in the gym using other supps than AAS. I am hoping to close down 2009 with my fist cycle, but that will depend on if I am where I want to be. It's not a race, take your time and do it RIGHT.
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good bro material ^^^^^
 
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