Beginner Cycle- Help!

[Crysis6]

+1 Good post sshadoww

 

[eddymerckx]

read all of the above^^all correct--if you are looking for a source, though, you have come to the wrong place.

 

[sugashane]

The guy has been training for just a year...he obviously can develop more before getting into anabolic steroids. However, if you decide to have a go at it anyway- the best advice I can give you is research extensively before doing anything, and make sure your diet and nutrition program is spot on...the biggest factor on a positive change in your body is built in the kitchen.

I made the mistake of not doing enough homework my first time, and I listened to some bone heads that told me to eat everything in sight and lift like a SOB- recommending ridiculous high dose cycles. End result- excess gear that I didn't need for the cherry cycle, and a bunch of excess bloat that took me a year to work off.

Here are the simple facts in my humble opinion:

1) Diet and Nutrition- eat clean.

2) Train until you have reached your plateau naturally

3) Research, research, research

4) Then if you feel you are at the point for AAS- start with a low dose (250 -300) Test only cycle (research aromatase inhibitor's, PCT - post cycle therapy - , etc. before you begin).

Just my 2

TITCR
This is a good post and the advice is laid out very well. Get a plat membership and use the search function. I use mine constantly.

 

[rockdoc]

From what I have learned though, you should start simple and start with low doses. I've seen guys post about what they are going to do for their first cycle and it contain 3 or 4 different things at huge doses for over 12 weeks. That just seems crazy to me since they have no clue how they are going to react to what they are taking.

+1, very good advice.

 

[bremac]

I just happened by this thread while browsing. The answer to this question is sort of like the 'holy grail' of the body building and sports physiology quest for knowledge. When the members post the word, and you will see it many times, 'RESEARCH' they could not be more right. I spent eight years in total in earning a PhD, 4 yrs for a bachelor in biochemistry and molecular physiology and then Phd in organic chemistry for synthesis of steroid molecules and molecular messengers. Sometimes I wonder if that was enough research. The reason I say this is because I had very distressing acne on my shoulders and back and some very bad spells of sleep during the first 'cycle' that i did. As we all know the consistancy of your blood levels of steroids is very important so dosage and dosage frequency are paramount when designing a steroid phase. I prefer the term phase which goes against the decades of the use of the word cycle, to me cycle represents a system with the same beginning and end points with a gradual up and down back to baseline, anyway that aside. Your dose and frequency is more important than the drug itself. However when choosing the drug don't run out and get enough trenbolone to do 100mg per day for 10weeks with oxymetholone to kick it off and a methenolone chaser. That would be like going and buying a ferrari for your first driving lesson.
If I may:
my suggestion would be to stick to the absolute basics for a first attempt
if you are going to use one drug the answer is simple...testosterone propionate for many reasons not the least of which is that the propionate ester allows for less side effect interference...............anyway your research will solidify all the reasons
if you are going to use two always choose an androgen and an anabolic, I look at testosterone as already covering that but my obvious choices having seen at a scientific level how these drugs interact and there synergies and 'parasitologies' if you will: nandrolone decanoate, boldenone undecyclenate and I know I'm eating my words methenolone (but don't worry you probably cant afford enough of it to make it worthwhile without a powder source) nandrolone by far best choice for me.
if you want to cut down on injections the of course test and methandrodienone dbol or turinaol tbol or methenolone tabs.
you can cut down on the androgenic nature by going with nandrolone and dianabol a very popular combination.
I wont say to much more because around here your intellect is sometimes judged by the number of posts you have made so I dont' want to come off as a noob who sits in the gym spitting out terms like dbol, deca, roids and gettin ripped.
The answer to your question is that there is no answer to your question, there are infinite answers as there is infinite steroids out there and to come. I have personally synthesized over 40 different cholesterol based steroids 35 of which had a ana or andro component some with incredible potency (on rats that is). you just have to keep your eyes open for info all the time and make a basic, tried and true decision on what to use.
Most important is to use an antiestrogen, letrozole is the most powerful tool available today for combating the formation of feminizing estrogens. I like mesterolone as a blocker due to its DHT nature, the use of both as they cover both types of antiestrogen is a great stack as they work in different ways. if I could have only one it would be letrozole at 100 micrograms per day. No you do NOT need 2.5 mg per day, dont wast your money, look up references and see for yourself. I used 25 micrograms per day during a 'cycle' totalling 800 mg per week with no side effects and excellent test/estriol throughout.
Hope this was of some help, but keep reading these guys who have been around awhile and have lots of experience they know what they are talking about.

 

[blackhat]

I just happened by this thread while browsing. The answer to this question is sort of like the 'holy grail' of the body building and sports physiology quest for knowledge. When the members post the word, and you will see it many times, 'RESEARCH' they could not be more right. I spent eight years in total in earning a PhD, 4 yrs for a bachelor in biochemistry and molecular physiology and then Phd in organic chemistry for synthesis of steroid molecules and molecular messengers. Sometimes I wonder if that was enough research. The reason I say this is because I had very distressing acne on my shoulders and back and some very bad spells of sleep during the first 'cycle' that i did. As we all know the consistancy of your blood levels of steroids is very important so dosage and dosage frequency are paramount when designing a steroid phase. I prefer the term phase which goes against the decades of the use of the word cycle, to me cycle represents a system with the same beginning and end points with a gradual up and down back to baseline, anyway that aside. Your dose and frequency is more important than the drug itself. However when choosing the drug don't run out and get enough trenbolone to do 100mg per day for 10weeks with oxymetholone to kick it off and a methenolone chaser. That would be like going and buying a ferrari for your first driving lesson.
If I may:
my suggestion would be to stick to the absolute basics for a first attempt
if you are going to use one drug the answer is simple...testosterone propionate for many reasons not the least of which is that the propionate ester allows for less side effect interference...............anyway your research will solidify all the reasons
if you are going to use two always choose an androgen and an anabolic, I look at testosterone as already covering that but my obvious choices having seen at a scientific level how these drugs interact and there synergies and 'parasitologies' if you will: nandrolone decanoate, boldenone undecyclenate and I know I'm eating my words methenolone (but don't worry you probably cant afford enough of it to make it worthwhile without a powder source) nandrolone by far best choice for me.
if you want to cut down on injections the of course test and methandrodienone dbol or turinaol tbol or methenolone tabs.
you can cut down on the androgenic nature by going with nandrolone and dianabol a very popular combination.
I wont say to much more because around here your intellect is sometimes judged by the number of posts you have made so I dont' want to come off as a noob who sits in the gym spitting out terms like dbol, deca, roids and gettin ripped.
The answer to your question is that there is no answer to your question, there are infinite answers as there is infinite steroids out there and to come. I have personally synthesized over 40 different cholesterol based steroids 35 of which had a ana or andro component some with incredible potency (on rats that is). you just have to keep your eyes open for info all the time and make a basic, tried and true decision on what to use.
Most important is to use an antiestrogen, letrozole is the most powerful tool available today for combating the formation of feminizing estrogens. I like mesterolone as a blocker due to its DHT nature, the use of both as they cover both types of antiestrogen is a great stack as they work in different ways. if I could have only one it would be letrozole at 100 micrograms per day. No you do NOT need 2.5 mg per day, dont wast your money, look up references and see for yourself. I used 25 micrograms per day during a 'cycle' totalling 800 mg per week with no side effects and excellent test/estriol throughout.
Hope this was of some help, but keep reading these guys who have been around awhile and have lots of experience they know what they are talking about.

tldnr. Probably could have broken that down into paragraphs and made it a bit easier to read.

 

[minn u]

I agree people should research and nutrition is the #1 factor in getting the most out of any cycle and most do use too much, even experienced guys use too much. However some of you just wait too long. How long are you going to wait to start? 5 years, 10 years, 15 years? By the time you start you will be 40 years old and WTF is the sense then. If you are going to be a natural BB then be a natural BB. But don't get on others because they decide to do a cycle before you feel it is time while you have been waiting years for "the right time". Like I said before I started using steroids when I was 16. I know that is unusual but I was training in a pure BB gym where everyone was using and they convinced me I could do well in a teenage show and that is when I started. It did not wreck my liver or stop my growth and I did not get roid rage or all the other horror stories you hear. Actually I would do it all over again, I think it was one of the best choices I made because it started a very successful BB run for me. Plus, I probably got laid more then 95% of all teenagers in history.(although I do not reccomend that as a reason to use). And I would not give back some of the times I had for anything.

 

[sshadoww]

I agree people should research and nutrition is the #1 factor in getting the most out of any cycle and most do use too much, even experienced guys use too much. However some of you just wait too long. How long are you going to wait to start? 5 years, 10 years, 15 years? By the time you start you will be 40 years old and WTF is the sense then. If you are going to be a natural BB then be a natural BB. But don't get on others because they decide to do a cycle before you feel it is time while you have been waiting years for "the right time". Like I said before I started using steroids when I was 16. I know that is unusual but I was training in a pure BB gym where everyone was using and they convinced me I could do well in a teenage show and that is when I started. It did not wreck my liver or stop my growth and I did not get roid rage or all the other horror stories you hear. Actually I would do it all over again, I think it was one of the best choices I made because it started a very successful BB run for me. Plus, I probably got laid more then 95% of all teenagers in history.(although I do not reccomend that as a reason to use). And I would not give back some of the times I had for anything.

I won't even get into some of the ridiculous comments in this prior post...you should NEVER be using steroids at 16- period. You train until you have reached your plateau naturally before even considering it- and that's certainly not at 16.

 

[minn u]

I won't even get into some of the ridiculous comments in this prior post...you should NEVER be using steroids at 16- period. You train until you have reached your plateau naturally before even considering it- and that's certainly not at 16.

Did not recommend it (using at 16) but it worked out for me. So keep waiting year after year for the right time to use. Fine with me. Also my training partner at the time won the overall at the nationals a few years ago and is now a marginally good pro. However, he is a good looking kid so he has been on magazine covers from the time he was an amateur. He was also using at 16. Would he be where he is if he waited for years? You know the answer to that. It all depends on what you want out of this and people here continually try to push what they want out of it on other people. If you want to be a pro BB someday I would say start using as soon as your training and nutrition are right. If you are just messing around it is a different story. That is the problem; people have different goals and different approaches are needed for different goals. When do you think Flex started or Shawn Ray who turned pro at 20? Now, again, would they even have had a career if they took your advice?
Also what the hell is training till you reach a plateau? Natural most reach this in a year or two when cortisol(sp?) attacks the muscles and they refuse to grow any more. That is why you see guys who look the same month after month, year after year despite training hard and eating right. Just go to a natural contest and then go to an NPC contest and the difference will be evident. Natural BBing is a f'n joke. The reason I really hate this board and mostly avoid it is you guys do not tolerate other opinions and those who do get bullied into keeping out of it.

 

[hurricane]

u should learn more about training and diet and get a little more experience with bodybuilding but since u a grown man .. it is your choice .. a best 1st cycle would be a test only cycle imo .. perhaps test e or test c