Becoming Steril, from AAS usage???

[Gman1]

hey guys, ive started getting paranoid bout my usage in long term effect, ive done 6or 7cycles, since jan 04, not had much of a break, i started when i had a very good base though 205 9%bf, ive also used basically everything i can think of accept halotestin, chequedrops, andriol, igf1*looking forward to though*, masteron, at my best, 235lbs 5'11 8% my bench was 400lbs, squat 600lbs, deadlift 650lbs, shoulder pressing the 120lbs/reps dumbells, close bench w/300lbs, think i got 1850 on leg press, so im saying ive been doing my cycles and theve been working, i know i started younger than i woulda liked, but i did win that bodybuilding show, lol, whats done is done though, i just am looking for aswers on whats going to happen if i keep running them like this, and if i do how long will it be before irreprible damage to my reproductive funtions, if any, its just more than anything my fear is not being able to have kids, dunno why, couldnt care bout acne or shit like that, if The Vets on here know any types of things i could do?, ive heard many differnt things, does anyone know facts and timeframes? whats the majic number or timeframe, or amount of cycles that you can do before the damage is done???



kinda the answer im looking for is;
if i use for example 1#
dbol 50mg/day week1-6
primo 500mg/ week 1-12
anavar/winny week 9-12@50mg/day
PCT
insulin or IGF1 week 1-15
do that 3cycles a year, for the next 5, or 10 years,would it mess with the chances of me having kids?
(im guessing no...maybe?)



if i used example 2#
Dbol/winny 50mg/day week1-6
1000mg Test E week1-20
500mg Test Prop week1-20
500mg sustanon*maybe*week10-20
PCT
OFF20-25weeks
dbol/primo/var/insulin-10weeks
OFF20weeks
Dbol/winny 50mg/day week 1-5
1000mg Test E week 1-20
500mg test prom week1-20
500mg sust week1-20
(and basically repeat the order 20weeks on, 20off,10 on, 20 off...)
if i did something similar to that for 5-10yrs strait, would damage me having kids?????????(prob im guessing...but what if i ran 3-12week test cycles a year?)


if i used example 3#
Dbol/winny 50mg/day week 1-5
EQ 500mg/week week 1-20
Test750mg/week week1-20
Deca 250mg/week week1-20
Tren 500mg/week week14-20
PCT
30weeks off and HGH/insulin
repeat..... for 5-10years
would something likethat effect my chances on having kids?(most likely)

or example 4#
Dbol 50mg/day week 1-6
primo200mg/week week 1-12
EQ400mg/week week 1-12
insulin/or IGF1 week 1-15
PCT
15weeks off HGH use...
and repeat cycle or very similar cycle for the next 5-10yrs would that have any effect? (not sure)
oh all of these cycles would be PCT with HCG/nolva/clomid....

OR ANY OTHER CYCLES THAT COULD KINDA BE WHAT IM LOOKING FOR, to keep my ability to have kids, plus to get size, keep size, compete bout once to twice a year, stay big and lean the rest,
OK that kinda confused even me? ha, well those are some very differnt cycles, if anyone really knows some informations on results of what a body would do to long exposer, or if someone knows anything that you think i could use to ease my paranoid little mind.. ??? K to all those who knowledgible answer ! ill read the post tom, since it is 4am, lol or when im posting this it is, so till tom.. night...

 

[sweed]

how old are you bro... its def capable to able to produce enough sperm to produce even on cycle. if you are sterile, you are sterile. if we can get an age out of you then we can really judge your "availability" lol.... but from what I can see you should be fine

 

[Gman1]

I know this isnt a riddle, but i feel that if i give my age, i could be looked down upon, and not taken as seriously..?? but ill hint, im old enough to smoke, but not old enough to drink... i do plan on making bodybuilding a long term hobbie/career to a point*, but first and formost i would like to have a family someday, i wouldnt want to trade that for anything...

 

[BigCracker]

Kids are overated. Being sterile isn't a side effect of steroids, it's a benefit.

Read this.


http://www.nomarriage.com./children.html

If you still insist on having kids, just go off for awhile. Then go to a sperm bank and have them freeze (save) a few loads of your sperm to be used at a later date. Problem solved-although your future ex wife/mother of your kids might find the method of conception less than romantic? This is cuz it will be done to her in a Dr.'s office by a Dr. with a turkey baster full of your frozen jizz, instead of you fucking her in front of the fireplace after a few Margaritas.

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[Ulter]

You're worrying is misplaced. You will not become sterile from steroids. That is utter myth. The government would be proud of themselves reading your post. Their lies and propaganda are working.

 

[gimp]

well, if this is any help, and I admit from the start that all this is anecdotal. but, I hace a few friends who compete who have been on for YEARS. my best buddy, has likely been on for 8 years straight, he's now 27!! he takes short breaks, probably just enough time for him to buy new gear, we're talking only a few weeks off.. he runs crazy doses, he's been on winny for at least 2years!! he got his wife preganant while on as well. other guys I know well who compete, basically do the same and they all have children conceived while on. I'm not condoning long cycles, but, I've never seen anyone become sterile, even while on.

 

[bilter]

a bud of mine stayed on lengths of time similar to what you suggest. He bred like a rabbit. I would get a fetility check every now & again (between cycles, towards the end of being clean) just for a piece of mind. And th ekids thing bigcracker mentioned above, if you know you want them you'll love it. Just had my first last year and gotta tell ya, it makes life worth living. what a blast! she makes me laugh every day and i have not regretted it for 1 second...........think I'll have another

 

[BigCracker]

if you know you want them you'll love it. Just had my first last year and gotta tell ya, it makes life worth living. what a blast! she makes me laugh every day and i have not regretted it for 1 second...........think I'll have another

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this subject in 6-7 years when your kid learns how to lie to you with a straight face. Or how about if you have a girl and she gets prego at 13 like many do these days? You better like kids an awful lot cuz in that case you'll be raising your grandkids as well.


Seriously, if I had an assload of $$$ in the bank, a house that's paid for, and a girl that I've been in love with for 10+ yrs that I know in my heart would be a good mother and would never leave me no matter what, I'd consider having kids too. Until then, I'll continue to fuck bimbos and pray that I shoot blanks.

 

[x_con]

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this subject in 6-7 years when your kid learns how to lie to you with a straight face. Or how about if you have a girl and she gets prego at 13 like many do these days? You better like kids an awful lot cuz in that case you'll be raising your grandkids as well.


Seriously, if I had an assload of $$$ in the bank, a house that's paid for, and a girl that I've been in love with for 10+ yrs that I know in my heart would be a good mother and would never leave me no matter what, I'd consider having kids too. Until then, I'll continue to fuck bimbos and pray that I shoot blanks.

I saw this thread and noticed BC was the last to post, I didnt even read the rest just scrolled down to see what you had to say. Always refreshing to hear someone else who understands what kids will most likely do to your life without actually having to have them first. For a few Im sure kids work out real well but for most, especially the younger bros, the day you have kids is the day your dreams and goals go down the toilet (along with your wifes desire to please you) and are replaced by every want and need of some ungrateful shit machine who will most likey have more respect for MTV than he/she ever will for you. I see having kids a penace for making your parnets strugle to rasie you, well Im ducking this payback...... FOREVER! ta hell with paying my debt. I see only one effect steroids equally desirable to getting big, and that is of course sterilty. Its not a side in my book.

 

[maldorf]

You're worrying is misplaced. You will not become sterile from steroids. That is utter myth. The government would be proud of themselves reading your post. Their lies and propaganda are working.

Exactly! Ive conceived 2 little girls, both while on heavy enough cycles that included aas such as trenbalone. Both times my wife got pregnant within 1 or 2 months of stopping the pill. My wife never even had a period before I got her pregnant with our second child, so it couldnt have happened any sooner. All of this time I was doing cylces of between 9 and 12 weeks long.

 

[digimon7068]

the day you have kids is the day your dreams and goals go down the toilet (along with your wifes desire to please you)

Damn! Now that's just harsh. I'm 40, been married for thirteen years, got two kids and another on the way (most likely our last) and, other than the obvious breaks for a few weeks here and there due to the pre and post birth issues, me and the little mrs. are still getting our swerve on 4 or 5 times a week.

With regard to the original post, if you do have issues and they're sperm count related AND those issues are related to gear use ONLY (i.e., you don't have some other physical/genetic issues that are limiting your count), your count will start to improve 90 days (the average amount of time required for spermatogenesis) after everything clears your system. However, unless you know what your average count and motility are, there's really nothing to go on. If you're concerned, get yourself checked out. It's no big deal.

However, unlike Ulter (no disrespect intended, sir) I believe that it is definitely possible to cause permanent down-regulation of your endocrine system from prolonged exposure to exogenous testosterone and its various derivatives such that you could wind up shooting blanks.

 

[x_con]

the day you have kids is the day your dreams and goals go down the toilet (along with your wifes desire to please you)

Damn! Now that's just harsh. I'm 40, been married for thirteen years, got two kids and another on the way (most likely our last) and, other than the obvious breaks for a few weeks here and there due to the pre and post birth issues, me and the little mrs. are still getting our swerve on 4 or 5 times a week.

I know its harsh but its what ive seen. All of my friends that had kids did so at 18,19,20yrs of age. They all had differnet goals and dreams none of which were dropping out of college and working full time at the local gas station to support their wife and kid. But this is exactly what most ended up having to do, well the ones who didnt just run off. Not to mention the added strain a child can put on relationship. There are alot of young guys who post here and they should know that this is what most likely awaits them if they get a girl preg before they have completed some of their own goals in life. Plus the all out love you may have for someone at this young age prob aint gonna last forever no matter what you think and children will only complicate things further. Make sure you live your life a little before your dreams and desires have to take a back seat to your childrens.

 

[fugetaboutit]

Damn! All you guys talking bad about kids is a little bit..........harsh IMO. What if your parents felt the same way?? Then you wouldn't be here typing those comments. How old are you guys by the way? Be carefull what you guys wish for. When you guys grow up and are ready to have kids (because eventually you will fall in love with "a stupid bimbo" and will want to have a child of your own blood) you may find out that you are infact sterile (not from steroids). Then your whole world will come down on you. This happened to a buddy of mine and it's no fun. Kids are not that bad. It's all about how YOU raise them. If you're a prick, then your kids will be a prick. If you're a good parent and raise them right, then they will be good kids. You get the idea. They are fun. I've got one on the way and will be out of the oven in 6.5 months! And Gman, I got my wife pregnant in the middle of a test/deca/d-bol cycle.

 

[Dial_tone]

I would dare say that if you follow the time on=time off principal and use HCG effectively you have nothing to worry about.

 

[Big_Joe]

I know its harsh but its what ive seen. All of my friends that had kids did so at 18,19,20yrs of age. They all had differnet goals and dreams none of which were dropping out of college and working full time at the local gas station to support their wife and kid. But this is exactly what most ended up having to do, well the ones who didnt just run off. Not to mention the added strain a child can put on relationship. There are alot of young guys who post here and they should know that this is what most likely awaits them if they get a girl preg before they have completed some of their own goals in life. Plus the all out love you may have for someone at this young age prob aint gonna last forever no matter what you think and children will only complicate things further. Make sure you live your life a little before your dreams and desires have to take a back seat to your childrens.

18, 19, 20 years old??? That's babies having babies. You need to be mature to be a good parent. If you are mature at 20 and you have a child then it's not a problem. If you aren't then it is a big problem, for you and the child. So if you can't do the time don't do the crime.

And the greatest thing I have ever heard is my daughter say "I love you daddy."

 

[big4rt]

You're worrying is misplaced. You will not become sterile from steroids. That is utter myth. The government would be proud of themselves reading your post. Their lies and propaganda are working.

I haven't posted on here for a WHILE, but I saw this one and had to comment on it. Ulter is 100000% correct. Me and my wife got pregnant while I was on month 4. Yes, I said month FOUR of a 100mg eod of fina cycle. (And, we had fun doin' it!!) We're due at the end of next month by-the-way.

 

[digimon7068]

I know its harsh but its what ive seen. All of my friends that had kids did so at 18,19,20yrs of age. They all had differnet goals and dreams none of which were dropping out of college and working full time at the local gas station to support their wife and kid. But this is exactly what most ended up having to do, well the ones who didnt just run off. Not to mention the added strain a child can put on relationship. There are alot of young guys who post here and they should know that this is what most likely awaits them if they get a girl preg before they have completed some of their own goals in life. Plus the all out love you may have for someone at this young age prob aint gonna last forever no matter what you think and children will only complicate things further. Make sure you live your life a little before your dreams and desires have to take a back seat to your childrens.

Agreed. I had a house, cars, toys, masters degree, etc, etc and my wife and I were married for several years before we even started trying to have kids. You should definitely be stable and have had some single-guy/married-guy-with-no-kids fun before you start a family. It definitely changes things but, when it's right, it's a blast.

 

[Gman1]

DOOOOOOOOOOONTTTTTTTTTT WORRRRRRRRRRRRRRy im def not having kids anytime SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, way to young! and definitly dont want them young, but i was just asking cus i dont know, paranoid??? i figure 10years from now i could be in a position to do that...but just was worried bout ruining my chances then, its a long freaking way off but i was just bored so i figured id ask, thanks guys for all your reply's, oh just a general observastion, ive heard more guys knocking up there ladies on heavy tren cycles than anything else...???? even a friend of mine did? wierd... but most certainly if you took pro size doses??, more less 4-6g a week(even more), youd do damage id guess...? thanks for all your replys...

 

[BigCracker]

Why is it everyone that gets their lady prego while on juice has girls? Over the past 15 yrs at least 80% of the juicer guys I know that got their women prego while on have had girls. It has to be for a reason otherwise it would be 50-50.

To the original poster. Do you like sex? How about blow jobs? Once you have kids forget about both. Plus the pussy is never the same after it squeezes a kid out. Not only that most girls use childbirth as an excuse to be 30-40lbs overweight for the rest of their life.

The guy above that's still nailing his wife after all these kids/years is a rare extreme. Most of the guys I know that are married with kids say it's the best thing that ever happened to their training because they hate their home life so much they're at the gym more than ever. They still have to hide $$$ from their wife for gear since it's tapping into jr's college fund and they all use the gym pay phone to call the sluts they're fucking on the side so wifey doesn't catch them.

I think the most important thing to do before you make any major decision in life is to ask yourself what you'd like your day to day life to be like? If wiping asses and snot sounds fun to you, by all means have kids. Ask yourself the same question about school/college. Does working 80+ hrs a week as a Dr w/ his own practice and a monthly student loan payment that rivals a house mortgage payment in amount sounds fun, by all means do it. Sure you'll have lots of dough someday, but how much will it age you along the way? How good of a father will you be if you're so involved in your career? These days wifey has a career too, so I hope you don't mind a nanny raising your kid for you. Where will fitness and diet fit into this mix? And will you be able to live with yourself when your kid grows up resenting you for not spending enough time with them? If more young people took the time to figure this shit out before they decided on what they want to do with their lives they'd be a lot happier in the long run.

 

[Gman1]

are you serious???? every time i hear a lady get preg its always a boy if your on roids, ????? ive heard the opposite man.. but i guess it really doesnt matter its all kinda chance..

 

[Gman1]

well i did say 10 or so years down the road..... not today.....i might want differnt things in life?? but it is to each his own...

 

[bilter]

well i did say 10 or so years down the road..... not today.....i might want differnt things in life?? but it is to each his own...

smart man!