Beastdrol

[pokerfien]

Hi all, So I purchased some beastrdol quite a while ago and thinking of starting the cycle in the next few weeks.

I read countless forums and cycles but my question is how would you cycle it with the products I have right now.

They are Beastdrol, Nolvadex, milk thistle, fish oil and dont know whether to use the rest of what I have left which is little less than half a bottle of forma stanzol, 27 tabs of forged post cycle, 24 tabs of HC generate....

I been training for years and will continue to use whey proteing as always and casein before bed, I alos pre loaded with milk thistle and I am comfortable using the beastdrol along with milk thistle and fish oil on/ post cycle and nolvadex as pct but just curious whether you would bother using what I have left and if so how and when would you use it???

For the hell of it I will post what I have in my cupboard incase any one would use it along with the cycle. I have micronized creatine, ON hmb tabs, animal pak, animal pump, royal jelly tabs ( i know they will be of little to no use on cycle but thought i would mention them anyway). I wanted to use animal pak as vitamins whilst on but becasue it is 11 tabs in each pack daily didnt know wheter to use them or just use a simpler single tab twice daily vitamin as my liver is going to be going through enough stress, that is also why I wasnt planning on using creatine. But open to suggestions as I have been more of a natty trainer my whole life and know little about cycles other than what I read and interested in how you would use what I have available to me right now. Also should mention I have a clean diet and will probably be uping the calories and carbs whilst on the beast.

 

[bonacris]

I wouldnt run the cycle until you have everything.. milk thistle wont cut it with such a toxic compound.. n2guard is an absolute must.. you will make great gains with beast but will lose it just as quick if your pct sucks

Get yourself
unleashed/post cycle combo
DAA
The half bottle of forma should last you 4 weeks

I ran superdrol about 3 months ago and it was a tough few weeks.. the lethargy killed me so I would consider so form of test base as Hcgenerate wont be enough

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[pokerfien]

I wouldnt run the cycle until you have everything.. milk thistle wont cut it with such a toxic compound.. n2guard is an absolute must.. you will make great gains with beast but will lose it just as quick if your pct sucks

Get yourself
unleashed/post cycle combo
DAA
The half bottle of forma should last you 4 weeks

I ran superdrol about 3 months ago and it was a tough few weeks.. the lethargy killed me so I would consider so form of test base as Hcgenerate wont be enough

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Nolvadex is more than sufficient enough pct for this cycle. Are you suggesting that unleashed/postcycle are better pct than nolvadex or clomid??
True the half bottle of forma stanzol will be nice for 4 weeks and some form of test base would be great. What do you recomend?

 

[northernknight]

How do you know that Nolva is more than sufficient for this cycle?

I think he meant that you should run Unleashed, Post Cycle, DAA, and Forma as an addition to Nolva, and I completely agree. One SERM PCT won't cut it with Beast.

As Test base you can use any kind of Test with low dose, but if you don't want to use injections, RS Transderm will do fine according to my understanding.

For liver protection you might want to look into TUDCA, milk thistle alone really won't cut it. N2Guard and TUDCA would be excellent cycle support, and with harsh oral like Beast you will definitely need it.

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[bonacris]

How do you know that Nolva is more than sufficient for this cycle?

I think he meant that you should run Unleashed, Post Cycle, DAA, and Forma as an addition to Nolva, and I completely agree. One SERM PCT won't cut it with Beast.

As Test base you can use any kind of Test with low dose, but if you don't want to use injections, RS Transderm will do fine according to my understanding.

For liver protection you might want to look into TUDCA, milk thistle alone really won't cut it. N2Guard and TUDCA would be excellent cycle support, and with harsh oral like Beast you will definitely need it.

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This is perfect in my opinion.. superdrol is very potent and not to be taken lightly

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[dylangemelli]

A serm only pct is FAR from sufficient for this cycle... You will find out the hard way just how much beast will shut you down if you don't run proper supports on cycle and in pct... Don't be a hard head and have to learn the hard way... The cycle itself is hard for many to complete 4 weeks on... Milk thistle is not even close to enough when it comes to beast... This is one of the most toxic orals you will ever encounter... Its advertised as a double methyl but from the prevalent feedback and from experience, its much worse... You have worries, big worries with bp and lipids as well as liver... It is VERY hard on your organs... I don't even feel n2guard is enough... N2guard and liver support is what I would recommend... a product like tudca would go well with it... You also need to DRINK PLENTY OF WATER AND EAT PLENTY OF CARBS... The headaches can be very bad and the lethargy can be unbearable... Running hcgenerate is very important on this cycle for the shutdown and the lethargy... Even at 20 mg you will have these bad sides... You need a complete pct to properly recover and I would recommend an ai because there has been NUMEROUS people with rebound from beastdrol... here is what i would recommend for pct...

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com
unleahsed/post cycle combo ntbm.com
aromasin 12.5 mg eod AG-guys.com


OPTIONAL

Keto burn MRSUPPS.COM
ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com

Phytoserms and HCGenerate
can be used in place of the Unleashed/post cycle combo if they are out of stock

USE COUPON CODE DYLAN10 AT NEEDTOBUILDMUSCLE.COM FOR 10% OFF…



By the condescending remarks you have made to others, I can tell you have no idea how serious beast is... Don't learn the hard way man...

 

[pokerfien]

How do you know that Nolva is more than sufficient for this cycle?

It is only my opinion from all the posts i have read suggesting that over the counter products wont cut it despite what otherssay as beastdrol is one of the harshest products of its kind ever made and Nolva or clomid is often the pct of choice by people whom take pct very seriously.. If they would only take nolva or pct for much less harsher products and all types of steroids why wouldnt you take it with beastdrol.. I do agree adding those with nolva cant hurt and would most likely help buti do think nolva is better than any over the counter pct. Do you think additional pct is necessary? I only ask to hear opinions becasue from what i hear its not If you have a quality pct serm like Nolva or clomid but i will take additional pct if truely needed.

Also, it is very conflicting becasue i read alot that people say there is no point in taking liver protection or milk thistle whilst on cycle and then i also read lots of people saying to take liver support and milk thislte thorugh out.. so its hard what to know what to make of it.

However my personal opinion is that a tried and proven pct serm like nolva will be more than sufficient if not the best form of pct and I will use milk thistle whilst on cycle and what ever i have left of hcgenerate and forged post cycle along with forma stanzol as I figure it cant hurt and it makes sence to me to use some sort of liver protection as it is a harsh compound. Also thinking of taking tropinol, so with nolva, tropinol, waht i have left of forged pct and forma stanzol i personally think it would be a pretty good pct no??

The only thing that i would like is some other form of on cycle support but dont know if it is a must and since i am allready taking so many things if i can help it i would rather limit what i take. If i could do with out it and it wouldnt do any major noticable difference i would rather do with out it.

With all that being said I am thankfull of all your comments and advice and I am taking them all in seriously and if most of you dont consider what i have planned good enough or dangerous I will re think and re plan the cycle.

 

[pokerfien]

After reading all replies i will deffinetly add on cycle support. Not very keen on HCgernerate as it did nothing for me in a noticable way the last time i took it.
If there is anything else you recommend i will look into it.
Some time ago on a helladrol cycle I used forged post cycle as pct along with milk thistle thorugh out cycle.

Cycle and recovery was excellent with no problems or bad sides at all and I have to say I had some great noticable results and impressive gains on helladrol, truely a great product. If beastdrol does anything close to what helladrol did for me I will be very happy.

 

[kdc_1023]

Unless you know exactly what your doing your probably just gunna swell up like a balloon and lose all your gains in the PCT unless you can get your hormones balanced quickly when coming off. If you must use this product I recommend tapering on and tapering off. Just remember your natural testosterone production is going to shut down so using any kind of product to prevent that from happening will be the only way to keep any gains you get from that particular cycle. Be prepared for some rough side effects.

 

[RickRock13]

A serm only pct is FAR from sufficient for this cycle... You will find out the hard way just how much beast will shut you down if you don't run proper supports on cycle and in pct... Don't be a hard head and have to learn the hard way... The cycle itself is hard for many to complete 4 weeks on... Milk thistle is not even close to enough when it comes to beast... This is one of the most toxic orals you will ever encounter... Its advertised as a double methyl but from the prevalent feedback and from experience, its much worse... You have worries, big worries with bp and lipids as well as liver... It is VERY hard on your organs... I don't even feel n2guard is enough... N2guard and liver support is what I would recommend... a product like tudca would go well with it... You also need to DRINK PLENTY OF WATER AND EAT PLENTY OF CARBS... The headaches can be very bad and the lethargy can be unbearable... Running hcgenerate is very important on this cycle for the shutdown and the lethargy... Even at 20 mg you will have these bad sides... You need a complete pct to properly recover and I would recommend an ai because there has been NUMEROUS people with rebound from beastdrol... here is what i would recommend for pct...

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com
unleahsed/post cycle combo ntbm.com
aromasin 12.5 mg eod AG-guys.com


OPTIONAL

Keto burn MRSUPPS.COM
ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com

Phytoserms and HCGenerate
can be used in place of the Unleashed/post cycle combo if they are out of stock

USE COUPON CODE DYLAN10 AT NEEDTOBUILDMUSCLE.COM FOR 10% OFF…



By the condescending remarks you have made to others, I can tell you have no idea how serious beast is... Don't learn the hard way man...

^Great advice

 

[Tazandy]

Hi Pokenfien,

When I ran my Beast cycle I used the following:

Cycle
1-4 Beastdrol
1-4 N2-guard
1-4 Hcgenerate
1-4 Bridge
1-4 Forged Liver Support

PCT
4-8 Unleashed and post cycle
4-10 forma-stanzol
4-8 Power chews-DAA
4-8 D-Spark

Now some may say this was overkill, but I enjoyed the ride with next to no sides. You need to keep the carbs up and drink loads of water, as I noticed that when I was not drinking enough, I would start to feel a headache coming on.

My opinion, for what its worth, is to spend a little more, and play on the safe side. If you do, you will enjoy one hell of a ride.

Good luck.

 

[pokerfien]

Daa during cycle to try to keep from shutting down completly or post or both???

 

[jeremyng25]

You need tudca along with extra liver support for this cycle for sure. From what people way I'm not even sure if the cycles worth it. I would also use a test base like RS transaderm to combat lethargy and some of the other sides. You really should get a serm and maybe even an AI to use in pct. Clomid and aromasin would be 2 good choices.

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[jeremyng25]

You need tudca along with extra liver support for this cycle for sure. From what people way I'm not even sure if the cycles worth it. I would also use a test base like RS transaderm to combat lethargy and some of the other sides. You really should get a serm and maybe even an AI to use in pct. Clomid and aromasin would be 2 good choices. Hcgenerate extra strength on cycle but to be honest just expect your nuts to come out looking like raisins. Its going to shut you down

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[northernknight]

Hi Pokenfien,

When I ran my Beast cycle I used the following:

Cycle
1-4 Beastdrol
1-4 N2-guard
1-4 Hcgenerate
1-4 Bridge
1-4 Forged Liver Support

PCT
4-8 Unleashed and post cycle
4-10 forma-stanzol
4-8 Power chews-DAA
4-8 D-Spark

Now some may say this was overkill, but I enjoyed the ride with next to no sides. You need to keep the carbs up and drink loads of water, as I noticed that when I was not drinking enough, I would start to feel a headache coming on.

My opinion, for what its worth, is to spend a little more, and play on the safe side. If you do, you will enjoy one hell of a ride.

Good luck.

^ Solid layout and advice here!
I completely agree with this, and think it's a great layout for Sdrol cycle.
Only thing I would change is adding some kind of Test base to it, and TUDCA for liver support.

I don't think this is overkill in any way. Just few days ago I had to switch from Adrol to Dbol, 'cause sides began to interfere with my training and every day life way too much...

I haven't yet ran Sdrol myself yet, but from all I have gathered it has nearly as much sides and is just as toxic as Adrol, if not more so. Of course everyone reacts differently, but what I'm trying to emphasis here is the importance of cycle support. The whole cycle is wasted if sides are so bad that you can't concentrate on three most important things of cycle: Training, Eating, and Sleeping!

Daa during cycle to try to keep from shutting down completly or post or both???

DAA won't prevent shutdown in any way, but using HCGenerate/HCG/HMG during cycle will.
So use it during PCT...

How are you reading these posts anyway, if you didn't understand that from the post above?
And yet, you are absolutely certain that you don't need any cycle support, and Nolva only PCT is more than enough for Beastdrol cycle...
And your cycle experience/history is what, a one PH cycle?

*Sigh*, I'm getting so damn tired of this...

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[pokerfien]

^

How are you reading these posts anyway, if you didn't understand that from the post above? :what:
And yet, you are absolutely certain that you don't need any cycle support, and Nolva only PCT is more than enough for Beastdrol cycle...:what::what:
And your cycle experience/history is what, a one PH cycle?

*Sigh*, I'm getting so damn tired of this...:banghead::banghead::banghead:

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What do you mean how am I reading these posts??? Iam certain nolva is more than sufficient form of pct opposed to over the counter products said to be enough for pct on their own which just magically are all sold by need2. I do think cycle support is important and planning to use it... I could do 100 cycles wrong, would that mean I know know what I am talking about?? Nolva, Clomid are known to be the real deal for pct that's all I am saying, show me one real steroid user who doesnt use a real serm and uses otc products for pct only and ill show you a liar.

Does not make sence not to use them over an over the counter product dubbed to be enough with out the history of quality serms like nolva and clomid have. Do all these OTC products have anywhere near as much data and proof if any of their claims?? I am happier using a tried and tested form of pct along with some cycle support, Daa and liver protection with the addition of some of the things that where recommended. I'm not gonna buy all of need2's supplements for a single ph cycle.. why would I spend more than what a real cycle costs when I can cover myself with, cycle/liver support, nolva/clomid and some test base along with milk thistle and other bs for piece of mind and paranoia

The liver is the fastes re generating organ in our body and 4 weeks with or without any liver protection wont damage it, unless you abuse the drug or you are an old fart with liver problems, thats fact! and thats all there is to it. Having said that i will use some form of liver protection. It wouldnt be sales if you where not made to beleive you needed 8+ products for one cycle... LOL
We can all be suckers for a good sales pitch..

I have the basics covered, don't treat me like shit cause I don't want to buy the whole shop from your pal need2, he has some great products but i dont need all of them. I apreciate all advice and respect peoples decission on going about their cycles how they want, i would just hope they use a good serm and not believe everything they are told becasue it has been spammed, specially things with no scientific proof or real data to back up their claims, if some do then great, all for it. I am making a plan based of every ones opinions, just not copying them exactly. Basics are there that's all any one would need, anything else is extra protection and that's fine if people want to do that, if its tested and proven then great if people want to take extra precaution they should..

P.s My question about Daa was not intended to or about the previous post, i asked becasue i read some post on people claiming they use daa to try to prevent complete shutdown and they beleive it helped them overall, according to what they said.. some say after some say during some say both. So i was seeking your opinions on that cause i dont know.

Cheers,

 

[pokerfien]

Thank you to those with the basic good straight forward advice and all those whom shared their thoughts and experiences and personal cycles, truly apreciated this is what all forums should be like. I will be taking some of the advice given and hopefully this with countless other threads can help the next person.

 

[bonacris]

Best of luck with your cycle.. let us know how you recover

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[northernknight]

Nolva, Clomid are known to be the real deal for pct that's all I am saying, show me one real steroid user who doesnt use a real serm and uses otc products for pct only and ill show you a liar.

Here you go:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/an...o-1212623.html
Make sure to mention that you consider him a liar, I'm sure you will have a nice conversation.

I'm not a REP for NTBM or any other company that products I mentioned in my posts (actually, think I only mentioned 2-3 products from NTBM in my posts), I just recommended what has worked best for me. I use way over 8 different supplements and other OTC products even when I'm not on cycle, but I'm somewhat keen to keep my health in check. Everyone decides what their own priorities are.

Everybody will also learn things either easy, or hard way. It's totally up to you to decide what you do, all that people here are trying to do is help, but your arrogant attitude doesn't make it very easy for us.
I also have no clue where you got the impression that I have something against Nolva, it's actually always been my SERM of choice (I hate Clomid) for my full PCT protocol when I still did those before I began my fulltime TRT.

Anyway, have a great cycle, and post up blood work to tell us how well you will recoverer!
(Of course you already have your baseline bloods done)

 

[pokerfien]

Thanks very much, I will post my results and how I recovered and felt through and after cycle. I apologise if you felt I was being arrogant it was not my intention but you being rude does not help..

 

[dabuffguy]

Nolvadex is more than sufficient enough pct for this cycle. Are you suggesting that unleashed/postcycle are better pct than nolvadex or clomid??
True the half bottle of forma stanzol will be nice for 4 weeks and some form of test base would be great. What do you recomend?

Nolva is the most overrated shitty PCT drug ever.

If you actually know what it does, it does hardly dick for recovering endogenous test production.



Bro, I authored the user guide of Beastdrol. Just follow the suggestions of the mods here. I used to be one myself. They are telling you right.


Nolva only is retarded. Just being brutally honest.


Anybody using a steroid, yes beastdrol is not a PH it is a steroid, really should be using hcg if they are that worried about losing their nuts ability to make testsauce.

 

[dabuffguy]

And I just want to be clear, I'm not completely naysaying tamoxifen, but I get a little on edge when I see noobs telling well educated people that Nolva only is a sufficient pct. My ass it is.


Good riddance.

 

[pokerfien]

And I just want to be clear, I'm not completely naysaying tamoxifen, but I get a little on edge when I see noobs telling well educated people that Nolva only is a sufficient pct. My ass it is.


Good riddance.

Lol granted I would preffer hcg over nolva or anything else for that matter as I would nolva over bs unproven overnight pop up otc pct products. It puts me on edge when I see these otcnewish products being suggested over well documented and known forms of pct, and I could not Give a shit about nolva or any of it for that matter hcg would be my first choice, nolva and Clomid second and all the rest of the shit otc dead last only ok as add on not replacement full stop.

 

[bonacris]

Lol granted I would preffer hcg over nolva or anything else for that matter as I would nolva over bs unproven overnight pop up otc pct products. It puts me on edge when I see these otcnewish products being suggested over well documented and known forms of pct, and I could not Give a shit about nolva or any of it for that matter hcg would be my first choice, nolva and Clomid second and all the rest of the shit otc dead last only ok as add on not replacement full stop.

This stuff is not over night. . It has been proven with blood work shown to be extremely effective..

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[dabuffguy]

Lol granted I would preffer hcg over nolva or anything else for that matter as I would nolva over bs unproven overnight pop up otc pct products. It puts me on edge when I see these otcnewish products being suggested over well documented and known forms of pct, and I could not Give a shit about nolva or any of it for that matter hcg would be my first choice, nolva and Clomid second and all the rest of the shit otc dead last only ok as add on not replacement full stop.

I get your point, but it's flawed.

The otc products being suggested are formulated with proven components that help promote endogenous hormone production. The stuff in it isn't new, the brand may be a few years old is all but the studies and science behind it is not.

Is it going to work as well as hcg? No, but Nolva isn't cutting it by itself. These otc products work in different pathways, which in combination give you a good recovery for short cycles and aid in recovery in long cycles which should be pct'd with hcg or you're dumb.

 

[pokerfien]

If some that have proven bloods to go along it then I'm all for it but many if not the vast majority don't. I'm talking about the unknown.I got no problem adding that overpriced otc crap if it will aid my recovery in a big way.just don't think I need 10 different supps to have a decent pct and if you think so youre dumb. Granted one or two proven otc pct thrown in there will be good just not the whole shop!

 

[dabuffguy]

If some that have proven bloods to go along it then I'm all for it but many if not the vast majority don't. I'm talking about the unknown.I got no problem adding that overpriced otc crap if it will aid my recovery in a big way.just don't think I need 10 different supps to have a decent pct and if you think so youre dumb. Granted one or two proven otc pct thrown in there will be good just not the whole shop!

I'm all for taking as little as possible and getting the desired results.

You don't need 5 different supps.

Unleashed and post cycle with your nolva is going to be much better than just nolva.

 

[pokerfien]

I'm all for taking as little as possible and getting the desired results.

You don't need 5 different supps.

Unleashed and post cycle with your nolva is going to be much better than just nolva.

Agreed.