Beastdrol puffiness?

[auslifter90]

Hey all I keep reading that beast should be lean and hard but I seem to have puffed up a bit. I usually eat a lower carb diet even when bulking but I've taken in a lot of carbs and it's helped me make huge gains. I've probably had more salt than I should as well, eating out a few times and not eating especially clean in general.
My nipples are a little puffy especially the left but I'm gonna blame this on water retention. I took katanadrol for a week and got a blood test, it lowered progesterone more than it suppressed test which was good, at the moment I think my estrogen is quite low as I seem to be getting runny nose and the cold and my joints are painful as shit. Been running a mild natural AI as a preventative every 2nd day and I think it's time to step back as I don't think it's needed at all
Going to run b6 high dosed, progestin I think is the only thing unaccounted for, can this flare up even with progesterone/estrogen controlled? Not stressing out here but just wondering.

I'm taking beast 20mg a day (30mg on lifting days, taking an extra an hour before workout)
With katanadrol 250mg a day
I'm gonna clean up my diet, drop the salty food and up the water and see how I go

Other thing to mention my libido has taken a hit which is probably from low estrogen, I have no trouble with ED if my girlfriend is annoying me, seem to get harder than ever but I just don't feel like sex that much. This leads me to believe its not complete test shutdown but estrogen is too low
A little lethargic too and scalp has been a little itchy. back and forearm pumps are becoming a slight issue in combination with joint soreness
Overall enjoying this shit immensely, took my best deadlift from 155kg to an easy 180kg, squat is up from 140kg to 155kg, could of gone higher but didn't try (I like to go up gradually and consistently with squats), bench press improved to 97.5kg up from 92.5, hoping to hit the 100 this week.
Weight has gone from 85kg to 90kg in around 10 days, some of it is no doubt water due to diet

 

[EarthRider]

i have always thought of superdrol being more on the wet side as a gainer, especially if you up your carbs

 

[auslifter90]

Sure this is the kind of feedback I'm interested in
The carb fluid will be quite easy to lose, as will fluid from too much salt
I'm gonna stop the superdrol after 4 weeks and up my katanadrol dosage for 2 weeks while reducing calories and carbs to cut up a bit to better assess muscle/fat/water gains. I'll eat at maintenance for pct to let my body's hormones recover

 

[dylangemelli]

well i think the obvious thing, which you already stated, is your sodium intake... i don't like salt so its easy for me to not consume sodium, but that is definitely going to hurt you in the water retention department... beastdrol does not convert to estrogen but you may want to look at using formastanzol now as that will also help with your water retention... its normally a dry gainer but i would definitely look at your diet and clean it up... i would up katana to 350 at least because 250 is useless... also look at hcgenerate in your pct because beast will shut you down hardcore... you should be running transaderm a long side it... what do you have planned for pct? what else are you running with beast and katana??

 

[auslifter90]

NAC, milk thistle, some other liver supps
Running vitamin E for hair health as well as antioxidant, also using orange triad multi
Fish oil, cissus, forged joint repair
For pct I have forged post cycle, res 100 (far more potent sustain alpha with added liver juice), DAA, ZMA, tococaps (vit E)
I've probably forgotten things, I have a gigantic supplement stash

Diets gonna be fun to sort out lol, I work at a restaurant and I've been eating a lot of free food lately to save money (not stupidly unhealthy stuff but there's a lot of salt as I've said)

Should I get taurine as well? I've got a feeling my back and forearm pumps have only just begun and will probably get worse
Transaderm is topical test, right? Or is it topical dhea or something, I don't think we can get this in Australia, the closest thing is topical hormone replacement therapy. If this is just to combat low test sides I can probably deal with the lethargy etc, it's hard to get up in the morning and I get tired earlier in the evening but it's not affecting me during the day. And I couldn't care less about low sex drive for a few weeks, not having problems if she wants to, I just don't feel in the mood to initiate

 

[Judo Tom]

it would be nice if you laid out everything you were on.

Dont cut on katana after the beast. Maintain that muscle you put on.

if you bulk you will retain more water. Doesnt matter if you bulk on dbol, test, tren or winny... its worth it.

 

[dylangemelli]

NAC, milk thistle, some other liver supps
Running vitamin E for hair health as well as antioxidant, also using orange triad multi
Fish oil, cissus, forged joint repair
For pct I have forged post cycle, res 100 (far more potent sustain alpha with added liver juice), DAA, ZMA, tococaps (vit E)
I've probably forgotten things, I have a gigantic supplement stash

Diets gonna be fun to sort out lol, I work at a restaurant and I've been eating a lot of free food lately to save money (not stupidly unhealthy stuff but there's a lot of salt as I've said)

Should I get taurine as well? I've got a feeling my back and forearm pumps have only just begun and will probably get worse
Transaderm is topical test, right? Or is it topical dhea or something, I don't think we can get this in Australia, the closest thing is topical hormone replacement therapy. If this is just to combat low test sides I can probably deal with the lethargy etc, it's hard to get up in the morning and I get tired earlier in the evening but it's not affecting me during the day. And I couldn't care less about low sex drive for a few weeks, not having problems if she wants to, I just don't feel in the mood to initiate

I know you are working at a restaurant and I have worked at them before, so I understand its hard to control yourself around the food, especially when its free, but if your having these troubles then your going to have to control yourself or else you will never see the results that you want... and to me, that's a waste of time...

yes you can buy taurine for the pumps... the forged joint repair will help with your joints and the taurine for the pumps...

 

[auslifter90]

Since my joints are so painful can I rule out estrogen causing the puffiness?

 

[Judo Tom]

nope. i would guess your joints hurt from the sudden increase in lifts.

 

[RickRock13]

All PH/DS can cause some water retention and extra glycogen uptake, which is why you usually see a few lbs increase in the first few days. That weight is not fat or muscle

 

[die faster]

bro if its your nipps that are puffy then i would drop everything and get some letro and prami from chemicalneed.com . why take the chance trying to call it water retention. superdrol has been known in very rare occurances due to receptor crossover to cause gyno, and i believe katana is progesterone related? needto recommends having bromo or dostinex so im pretty sure it is.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/bodybuilding-supplements/katanadrol-gyno-pct-656772.html

edit: i think thats the old katanadrol in that thread^ does anyone know if the new one is a progestin

 

[needtogetaas]

Everything you are dealing with sounds like a progestrine increase but you just started taking the katanadrol so that should bring it back down... Add in some L-dopa and see if this does the trick.

 

[auslifter90]

Well the b6 seems to have worked wonders, I guess it was progestin after all
And nope you're thinking of the old katanadrol which was a tren like compound I think from memory
I could use some more advice on the b6 however, I understand it is damaging to the nervous system at prolonged high doses, what would be an acceptable dose for a few weeks? 600 seems to be what people are taking

 

[ConanX]

I've seen katanadrol cause gyno. I suggest cabergoline and letrozole. Be careful with the libido though. It did a number on my libido.

 

[auslifter90]

Should I drop the katanadrol?

 

[auslifter90]

Alright bros, thought if anyone was interested I dropped the katanadrol and within a few days my puffiness has pretty much subsided, no nipple sensitivity etc. my chrst has changed shape overall tho, I've built my upper chest so quickly it looks amazing in clothes. Flat bench is up 25kg and it's made the little pockets of fat I have look a bit like gyno, but I spent the last 2 chrst workouts hammering incline and it's levelled out great. Started cutting for my final 2 weeks, I dropped from 91 to 88 and my strength has continued to go through the roof.
I love superdrol! Katanadrol can get f'ed lol