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Beast/Winstrol? Or Tren Enanth?

-SD-

-SD-

EXT ELITE ROB
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Looking to hit another cycle in a couple weeks and just looking for lean/dry gains, maybe 5-10 lbs with a few lbs fat loss if possible. More of a recomp really. Ive never tried beast, winstrol, or tren. So I was thinking should I save the tren for later? Or does it matter?
I was thinking either:

Wk 1-4 Beast 30/30/30/30
Wk 1-9 TCyp 500mg/wk
Wk 5-9 Winstrol 50mg/day

OR

Wk 1-9 TCyp 250mg/wk
Wk 1-9 Tren 400mg/wk

No PCT since Im 125mg/wk tcyp for HRT

38
5'10
200 lbs
14-15%
 
I like both, but honestly you won't be happy trying to cut on beast. It's better as a bulker. The lethargy already kicks ass as it is, and going into a cal deficit to try and shred up makes it way worse

Use the beast as a bulker later, if you wanna cut now run the tren
 
Yea Im not a big fan of any lethargy. Shits hard enough as it is without feeling like shit on top of it.
 
option B bro.

run your tren E at 300mg wk and test at 250 wk til week 4 or 5 then bump to 400 and 375. The up taper at the half way point will keep your body from adapting.
We have been getting these philosophies from Ledhed lately but he is correct. Tapering down is stupid and not needed but tapering up will keep your body from adapting.
 
burnthiscorpse said:
option B bro.

run your tren E at 300mg wk and test at 250 wk til week 4 or 5 then bump to 400 and 375. The up taper at the half way point will keep your body from adapting.
We have been getting these philosophies from Ledhed lately but he is correct. Tapering down is stupid and not needed but tapering up will keep your body from adapting.
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Yea i was wondering about the adapting and want this thing to keep going strong the full 9 weeks
So its
Wk 1-4, TCyp 250mg/wk
Wk 5-9 375/wk
Wk 1-4 tren 300mg/wk
Wk 5-9 400mg/wk
 
-SD- said:
Yea i was wondering about the adapting and want this thing to keep going strong the full 9 weeks
So its
Wk 1-4, TCyp 250mg/wk
Wk 5-9 375/wk
Wk 1-4 tren 300mg/wk
Wk 5-9 400mg/wk
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Just curious bro, why 9 weeks? If you are already cruising on HRT then myostatin will not be as much as a factor.
 
burnthiscorpse said:
Just curious bro, why 9 weeks? If you are already cruising on HRT then myostatin will not be as much as a factor.
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My cycles usually run out of gas around 8-9 weeks, but then again I was never on HRT like now.

If myostatin is not a factor then what would you suggest?
 
-SD- said:
My cycles usually run out of gas around 8-9 weeks, but then again I was never on HRT like now.

If myostatin is not a factor then what would you suggest?
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You would have to refer to the late part of Led's thread where it gets in depth. I cant remember for sure. But if it were me...long esters or not...if you are on TRT just cycle 8 on 8 off. Rinse and repeat if you wish.
 
burnthiscorpse said:
You would have to refer to the late part of Led's thread where it gets in depth. I cant remember for sure. But if it were me...long esters or not...if you are on TRT just cycle 8 on 8 off. Rinse and repeat if you wish.
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thats what i was thinking because long term its a wash anyway, either you finish earlier and get to hit the next blast earlier, or you blast longer and have to wait longer until the next blast.
 
-SD- said:
thats what i was thinking because long term its a wash anyway, either you finish earlier and get to hit the next blast earlier, or you blast longer and have to wait longer until the next blast.
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6 weeks with short esters or 8-10 weeks with long. Let your blood work returning to normal (lipids, RBC ect) determine when you start again.
 
I definitely like option b better... the way that led and I have discussed it is that you run 8 weeks.. if you throw an oral in towards the end then you push it to 11... cruise until week 20 and then you can cycle for 20 weeks before you cruise again...
 
dylangemelli said:
I definitely like option b better... the way that led and I have discussed it is that you run 8 weeks.. if you throw an oral in towards the end then you push it to 11... cruise until week 20 and then you can cycle for 20 weeks before you cruise again...
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I would def go with Tren blast.

About the myostatin, what I gathered from the Led's thread, and like Burn mentioned above, this would be the way to go if you are cycling.
Since SD is in TRT, and therefore stays on full time, myostatin shouldn't be a issue anymore, least not the same way when doing cycles. Still I think that one should be in TRT for some time to avoid this, using the same time frame like when cycling should work, so after being in TRT for 20 weeks myostatin shouldn't become an issue anymore, as long as you just stay on.
That's just how I understood it, so correct me if I'm way off here.

I don't mean that cruising and doing blasts in cyclical way like Dylan laid out above wouldn't still be beneficial in many ways.

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burnthiscorpse said:
6 weeks with short esters or 8-10 weeks with long. Let your blood work returning to normal (lipids, RBC ect) determine when you start again.
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This is exactly my plan to a T. Personally I prefer long esters, so I'm going to try out 10 week blasts followed by roughly 12 weeks cruising before blasting again.
 
RickRock13 said:
This is exactly my plan to a T. Personally I prefer long esters, so I'm going to try out 10 week blasts followed by roughly 12 weeks cruising before blasting again.
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i much prefer long esters also. Now since ive never tried tren, should i run caber from day 1? Or just feel it out as far as prolactin is concerned?
 
I've never used caber and I've used tren 3 times (ace @350mg/week and enth@400/week). my blood work comes back good a couple months after pct every time.

all these ancillaries come with their own risks and side effects so I don't use them if I don't need them. since you're on trt and not worried about recovery, i'd have it on hand but only use it if my dick got weak lololol
 
-SD- said:
i much prefer long esters also. Now since ive never tried tren, should i run caber from day 1? Or just feel it out as far as prolactin is concerned?
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Yes run caber with it, better off to low dose caber to keep the prolactin down.
 
yeah, forgot to mention I've always used b6 on tren cycles.

I did use caber once just to see what it'd do. I was borderline rapist
 
I take 200mg in the morning and evenings on tren cycles. been enough to keep prolactin at bay for me. I imagine someone will come along shortly to scoff at the idea of b6 to manage prolactin but I'd much rather use it than use another drug I may not even need.

and if it doesn't work for you and you do need caber, it works pretty fast in my experience
 
option B,test/tren with the beast 20/30/30/30 for first 4 weeks...if your gonna blast, then blastttttt !

Definitely grab a bottle of N2GUARD for this...^^^^^^^^
 
-SD- said:
i much prefer long esters also. Now since ive never tried tren, should i run caber from day 1? Or just feel it out as far as prolactin is concerned?
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Quite honestly bro if you have never tried tren I would go with 200mg for the first 4-5 weeks then bump to 300. Ask Steve...its tren...it works even at a low dose. You will get a feel for what it does and how you feel.
Also yeah...have caber on hand. I wouldnt use it unless you absolutely need it. I took 1 .5mg tab one time and boy it fucked me up. I hated it. I will never use it again. Prami is supposed to be worse. Fuck that shit.
I myself only used tren once and it was ace and I was not prepared for it. I stopped at 3.5 weeks. I felt like fucking superman but I was like jekyl and hyde and most of the time i was Hyde. I am in a better life place and low stress and a little older and more mentally prepared now. SO when I try it again next year probably, and I know what to expect...I am confident I will be fine. Start low. You can always go up.
 
burnthiscorpse said:
Quite honestly bro if you have never tried tren I would go with 200mg for the first 4-5 weeks then bump to 300. Ask Steve...its tren...it works even at a low dose. You will get a feel for what it does and how you feel.
Also yeah...have caber on hand. I wouldnt use it unless you absolutely need it. I took 1 .5mg tab one time and boy it fucked me up. I hated it. I will never use it again. Prami is supposed to be worse. Fuck that shit.
I myself only used tren once and it was ace and I was not prepared for it. I stopped at 3.5 weeks. I felt like fucking superman but I was like jekyl and hyde and most of the time i was Hyde. I am in a better life place and low stress and a little older and more mentally prepared now. SO when I try it again next year probably, and I know what to expect...I am confident I will be fine. Start low. You can always go up.
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Im pushing 40 now so dont anticipate any jeckyl and hyde scenarios, or if so it would be easier managed than in my 20's for sure. I have a low stress life and able to give time and energy to this sort of stuff. Ive always wanted to try tren and think Im as ready as I'll ever be mentally.
 
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burnthiscorpse said:
option B bro.

run your tren E at 300mg wk and test at 250 wk til week 4 or 5 then bump to 400 and 375. The up taper at the half way point will keep your body from adapting.
We have been getting these philosophies from Ledhed lately but he is correct. Tapering down is stupid and not needed but tapering up will keep your body from adapting.
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I like this.

I'm running prop at 50mg eod and just bimped tren to 100mg from 75mg eod. Felt it on day two and love the bump. It's been about 8 weeks. gonna hold out for a while longer. Maybe I'll bump to 125mg on the tren.

I obviously like Option B.
 
-SD- said:
Why tren a next time?

I have it right now actually
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I like it better than E. E seems milder to me. IMO, someone who has done a lot of tren A will be disappointed in tren E. But a first time tren user might like tren E. A acts quicker, sees faster, more dramatic and pronounced results IME.
 
ceo said:
I like it better than E. E seems milder to me. IMO, someone who has done a lot of tren A will be disappointed in tren E. But a first time tren user might like tren E. A acts quicker, sees faster, more dramatic and pronounced results IME.
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Tren E is about 20% weaker. Bump the dose up about that much.
 
ceo said:
I like it better than E. E seems milder to me. IMO, someone who has done a lot of tren A will be disappointed in tren E. But a first time tren user might like tren E. A acts quicker, sees faster, more dramatic and pronounced results IME.
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I cant stand all the pinnings though rob
If ultimately tren E gets tired i can always hit tren A later
 
burnthiscorpse said:
So you're saying even bumping tren ace 20% doesn't make it as potent as ace?
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you mean bumping tren E by 20%?

Yes, that's what I'm saying. For me at least. :)

Tren A punches like a heavyweight.
 
i would think for someone like me thats a tren virg that tren E would hit pretty hard for first time. if it doesnt than i can go to ace, if its good then all the more injections i dont have to do.
 
burnthiscorpse said:
Hmmmm. Interesting. Something to think about.


and yes I meant Tren E.
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Going to switch over to tren e in a couple weeks. Will over shoot 20% and report back.

Not saying that I don't believe CEO the All Powerful, in fact, have heard this before. I'm going to experiment in the name of science.
 
Not everyone responds the same to every drug either. I know a bro that swears he gets the same thing out of Tren E without the sides of Tren A. I think he does use a slightly higher dose of Tren E though. I feel like I'd have to double the dose, and even then not sure. :)
 
ceo said:
Not everyone responds the same to every drug either. I know a bro that swears he gets the same thing out of Tren E without the sides of Tren A. I think he does use a slightly higher dose of Tren E though. I feel like I'd have to double the dose, and even then not sure. :)
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Same for me, i got as much out of 400mg of E as i did for ace @ 100mg EOD .
starting a new cycle in a week or two on 600mg of E :evil:
 
Hell, shoot Hex and call it a day

400mg of hex was ridiculous for me. Made the same dose of Ace and E look like bunk gear by comparison, and I was using the same brand

I love the results I get with hex, but I was murderous. Felt like pulling everyone's arms off and beating them to death with them

E seems to give me pretty much the same results as Ace, mg for mg, except to keep sides away on ace I gotta pin every day. Tren E sides are pretty much non existant as long as I'm consistent with everything
 
bigbassturd said:
Hell, shoot Hex and call it a day

400mg of hex was ridiculous for me. Made the same dose of Ace and E look like bunk gear by comparison, and I was using the same brand

I love the results I get with hex, but I was murderous. Felt like pulling everyone's arms off and beating them to death with them

E seems to give me pretty much the same results as Ace, mg for mg, except to keep sides away on ace I gotta pin every day. Tren E sides are pretty much non existant as long as I'm consistent with everything
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gonna stick with enat for now, see how it goes then probably upgrade to hex later down the road. plus that shits expensive as hell
 
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