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DaddyX
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roger collard,mentzers,mohamad,munzer,that guy last year who died who was in the masters olympia. don long is fucked up with kidney probs,now tom prince as well. don ross died and thats all i can think of.........
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DaddyX
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lyle alzado,mike webster - former fball players but definetly were on heavy shit
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DaddyX
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Dial_tone - the dude with the stache from pumping iron, hes only in it for a little bit,doesnt say a word. yeah hes dead. i believe thats him. it was in flex magazine about 1-2 years ago. heart problems
The_Eviscerator
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DaddyX said:
Mike Webster took over 100,000 shots to the head during his life. His mental capacity was greatly affected by this. I doubt if steroids really contributed to his death... if they did it was minimal.
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DaddyX
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The_Eviscerator - thats with anyone who dies and has used steroids. i was just saying it may have contributed since he did have a heart attack. i mean the guy was 250 lbs lean and benched 500+. whos to say if they contribute to anyones death.
Bigbillybear
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Bro,
Yeah any of these deaths cant really be blamed on steriods (100 percent that is) I mean dosage can play a factor but most problems would occur over long term usage that would promote Cardiovascular disease etc... Anyhow Most of the ones that have died seem to have alot of other drugs that helped play a part... I mean we have a guy in the jail (Im a detention officer for the Sheriffs department) and he is a crack addict and at the age of 30 has already had to have heart surgery because of a Heart Attack so I know other drugs should be looked at but everyone wants to try to pin it on steriods and have that be the reason why they are classified so wrongly in the drug wars... In NC alone it is a felony to have gear without a perscription and to me it is so wrong... Oh well dont want to turn this into another topic lol... But I remember that strongman from USA that was in the worlds strongest died but cant remember his name... He had one of the best bods at the competition but couldnt compete against those foreign bros... Dang now its going to haunt me... I think his last name started with an L?
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Yeah any of these deaths cant really be blamed on steriods (100 percent that is) I mean dosage can play a factor but most problems would occur over long term usage that would promote Cardiovascular disease etc... Anyhow Most of the ones that have died seem to have alot of other drugs that helped play a part... I mean we have a guy in the jail (Im a detention officer for the Sheriffs department) and he is a crack addict and at the age of 30 has already had to have heart surgery because of a Heart Attack so I know other drugs should be looked at but everyone wants to try to pin it on steriods and have that be the reason why they are classified so wrongly in the drug wars... In NC alone it is a felony to have gear without a perscription and to me it is so wrong... Oh well dont want to turn this into another topic lol... But I remember that strongman from USA that was in the worlds strongest died but cant remember his name... He had one of the best bods at the competition but couldnt compete against those foreign bros... Dang now its going to haunt me... I think his last name started with an L?
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DaddyX
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damnit,your right. that guy did just die and after they said in memery of..........now its going to bug the hell out of me. damn you Bigbillybear
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DepressiveJuice
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didnt muntzer died from cytraden? i thought they opened up his belly and found it hemorraging (sp) from cytraden...course that doesnt mean cytraden killed him. ray mentzer killed himself, i believe, shortly after he found mike dead.
dennis freeman and mike francois are having health problems from drug abuse, i believe
dennis freeman and mike francois are having health problems from drug abuse, i believe
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DaddyX
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no,ray mentzer didnt kill himself
Many, many IFBB pros snort Coke, take Benzos (Valium, Xanax, etc...) roll (take Ecstacy) etc... They train hard, use lots of juice, but many of them also party like Jim Morrison (well... NO ONE ever partied quite like Morrison lol).
Seriously. Heavy doses of Steriods coupled with off and on use (abuse too maybe) of Coke, Ecstacy, pain killers, drinking, etc... have a cumulative effct. The Steroids are always blamed for the health problems and even the deaths in some instances. Heavy Steriod use (abus too) doesn't for many bros lend for good internal organ health. When your internal organs are already stressed and then you go out party with Coke and 'E', you push yourself over the limit. It's not the Steroids alone that kill - it's the Steriods coupled with the partying and the drugs that go along with that partyying. You always hear about health problems related to Steriods, but you never know which of those guys with those heatlh problems are using rec. drugs on the side too. In my opinion, the Steriods are only half of the story/problem. The Steriods get an unfair bum rap in my opinion.
Seriously. Heavy doses of Steriods coupled with off and on use (abuse too maybe) of Coke, Ecstacy, pain killers, drinking, etc... have a cumulative effct. The Steroids are always blamed for the health problems and even the deaths in some instances. Heavy Steriod use (abus too) doesn't for many bros lend for good internal organ health. When your internal organs are already stressed and then you go out party with Coke and 'E', you push yourself over the limit. It's not the Steroids alone that kill - it's the Steriods coupled with the partying and the drugs that go along with that partyying. You always hear about health problems related to Steriods, but you never know which of those guys with those heatlh problems are using rec. drugs on the side too. In my opinion, the Steriods are only half of the story/problem. The Steriods get an unfair bum rap in my opinion.
The_Eviscerator
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DaddyX said:
Very true. I am sure to some degree steroids did hurt him... but no more than being a pro football player for nearly 20 years. He also got into drugs pretty heavily for a while and was homeless for a period of time. As a hardcore Steeler fan... that was hard to believe. Anchor the line for 4 Superbowl wins and end up a homeless drug addict and die at 50 years old. That sucks.
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DaddyX
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The_Eviscerator - i agree bro, he was kinda a sad story. i am sure his days of ball helped out and like u said his other drug problems and financial situiation gave alot of uneeded stress
DaddyX said:
Lyle Alzado died of Aids. That's why his family would not allow an autopsy. As his time was running down Lyle withered away.
Doctors revealed a VERY RARE TYPE OF BRAIN CANCER...T cell lymphomia. In the history of steroid users, none has had this type of immune disorder deficiency. Kinda interesting don't ya think?
According to some friends very close to Lyle, he lived a secret alternative lifestyle. He would never admit this, and did everything in his power to keep his AIDS a secret.
It's sad, but steroids did not cause his death.
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DaddyX
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really bro.............thats crazy. i did see him withered away but i thought that was from the cancer. do u have any articles or anything showing this. im not trying to say your wrong or anything but the whole world believes it was from his brain cancer,me included. iteresting though bro. either way lyle was the man
Here's some articles doing a quick search on "Lyle Alzado and aids"
http://aquatic.fitdv.com/new/section_body/articles2/bodybuilders.html
Believe it or not, there isn't really any proven documentation of any bodybuilder having major health problems or any other long-term negative side effects from the use of steroids. There was an NFL player who said he got a heart transplant because he used steroids while he was active in the NFL. Problem is, two weeks after he said that, it came out on the news that he had a severe cocaine problem for many years. Then you have Lyle Alzado, who passed away, but before doing so went on national television to spread the word that his brain tumor was caused by steroid use. Problem is, his particular tumor was directly correlated with AIDS, HIV. I know of no man who has ever had either of these two problems.
http://www.thebody.com/bp/jul00/fighting.html
The most worrisome thing we hear about anabolics is cancer. There was a lot of publicity about how Lyle Alzado, a former football player, thought his brain cancer was caused from using anabolic steroids. This is simply not true. There is no association between brain cancers and anabolic steroids. Even liver cancers are very rare in their use. Since their development in the 1950s, fewer than fifty cases have been reported, and half of those patients had a rare anemia, a condition that in itself predisposed them to liver cancer anyway. In all cases, the patients who got cancer, which usually goes away when the anabolic steroids are stopped, were taking high-dose anabolics for two to seven years without a break, something that is never done today. Most doctors cycle anabolic steroids, giving the medication for twelve to 24 weeks at a time, then stopping it for a few months. Given this way there is very little (if any) risk for development of a cancer.
http://www.trans-health.com/Iss1Vol1/androstuff.htm
I started this article with a reference to Lyle Alzado. Alzado was an NFL football player who passed away a few years ago from a debilitating disease, possibly AIDS. At one point he said, in public, that his ultimately fatal condition was caused by his "steroid abuse." The North American media latched onto this and integrated it into their smear campaign against these drugs, something that had been going on for several years previously. Androgens were placed on a restricted access schedule in the US in the mid-80's, mostly because of anti-drug hysteria. (As a side note, Alzado's personal physician has stated publicly that Alzado's death was completely unrelated to his AAS use.) The most visible subculture that uses these drugs regularly is the bodybuilding world. In fact, a lot of the misinformation about AAS comes from within bodybuilding. In other cases it originates from outsiders who do not understand what is going on. One frequent argument that you hear is that AAS supplementation is dangerous because... well, think about how unhealthy competitive bodybuilders look. And heck yes, they're unhealthy. They starve themselves, tan incessantly, supplement sloppily with human Growth Hormone, play with insulin and thyroid medications, take crazy diet supplements like DNP (originally used as a bug poison) and take dangerous diuretics before competition. Of everything that bodybuilders take, AAS are without a doubt some of the safer drugs.
http://aquatic.fitdv.com/new/section_body/articles2/bodybuilders.html
Believe it or not, there isn't really any proven documentation of any bodybuilder having major health problems or any other long-term negative side effects from the use of steroids. There was an NFL player who said he got a heart transplant because he used steroids while he was active in the NFL. Problem is, two weeks after he said that, it came out on the news that he had a severe cocaine problem for many years. Then you have Lyle Alzado, who passed away, but before doing so went on national television to spread the word that his brain tumor was caused by steroid use. Problem is, his particular tumor was directly correlated with AIDS, HIV. I know of no man who has ever had either of these two problems.
http://www.thebody.com/bp/jul00/fighting.html
The most worrisome thing we hear about anabolics is cancer. There was a lot of publicity about how Lyle Alzado, a former football player, thought his brain cancer was caused from using anabolic steroids. This is simply not true. There is no association between brain cancers and anabolic steroids. Even liver cancers are very rare in their use. Since their development in the 1950s, fewer than fifty cases have been reported, and half of those patients had a rare anemia, a condition that in itself predisposed them to liver cancer anyway. In all cases, the patients who got cancer, which usually goes away when the anabolic steroids are stopped, were taking high-dose anabolics for two to seven years without a break, something that is never done today. Most doctors cycle anabolic steroids, giving the medication for twelve to 24 weeks at a time, then stopping it for a few months. Given this way there is very little (if any) risk for development of a cancer.
http://www.trans-health.com/Iss1Vol1/androstuff.htm
I started this article with a reference to Lyle Alzado. Alzado was an NFL football player who passed away a few years ago from a debilitating disease, possibly AIDS. At one point he said, in public, that his ultimately fatal condition was caused by his "steroid abuse." The North American media latched onto this and integrated it into their smear campaign against these drugs, something that had been going on for several years previously. Androgens were placed on a restricted access schedule in the US in the mid-80's, mostly because of anti-drug hysteria. (As a side note, Alzado's personal physician has stated publicly that Alzado's death was completely unrelated to his AAS use.) The most visible subculture that uses these drugs regularly is the bodybuilding world. In fact, a lot of the misinformation about AAS comes from within bodybuilding. In other cases it originates from outsiders who do not understand what is going on. One frequent argument that you hear is that AAS supplementation is dangerous because... well, think about how unhealthy competitive bodybuilders look. And heck yes, they're unhealthy. They starve themselves, tan incessantly, supplement sloppily with human Growth Hormone, play with insulin and thyroid medications, take crazy diet supplements like DNP (originally used as a bug poison) and take dangerous diuretics before competition. Of everything that bodybuilders take, AAS are without a doubt some of the safer drugs.
ok bros...
it took me 4 hours to dig it up in a magizine. i had 2 years worth of flex, MD, and MM to go through and of course it was in the last mag i checked....
Momo Benaziza, Andreas Munzer, Don Ross, Jeep Swenson, Mike and Ray Mentzer.
Both Mentzer's had pre-existing hereditary heart conditions, probably made worse by AAS abuse, which Mike admited to. Momo or Andreas died from diuretics. The other from complications related to long term abuse but not def. caused by juice. Nobody's coroner report said died from nandrolone poisoning.
thanks for all the input bros
it took me 4 hours to dig it up in a magizine. i had 2 years worth of flex, MD, and MM to go through and of course it was in the last mag i checked....
Momo Benaziza, Andreas Munzer, Don Ross, Jeep Swenson, Mike and Ray Mentzer.
Both Mentzer's had pre-existing hereditary heart conditions, probably made worse by AAS abuse, which Mike admited to. Momo or Andreas died from diuretics. The other from complications related to long term abuse but not def. caused by juice. Nobody's coroner report said died from nandrolone poisoning.
thanks for all the input bros
SofaGeorge
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Ray Mentzer shot himself in the head. How is that not suicide?
None of the others listed died of steroid abuse complications. Period.
Jeep had a heart attack. Muntzer was taking wierd ass drugs... not steroids. Don Ross had a heart attack.
None of the others listed died of steroid abuse complications. Period.
Jeep had a heart attack. Muntzer was taking wierd ass drugs... not steroids. Don Ross had a heart attack.
ARNOLDSHWOLENPECKER265
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CONTEST PREP
CONTEST PREP IS THE REAL KILLER BUT I GET THE FEELING THAT EVERY IFBB PRO COULD DROP DEAD TOMORROW AND MOST BODYBUILDERS WOULD SAY THE CAUSE WAS NOT STEROID USE. CAN YOU SAY DENIAL?
CONTEST PREP IS THE REAL KILLER BUT I GET THE FEELING THAT EVERY IFBB PRO COULD DROP DEAD TOMORROW AND MOST BODYBUILDERS WOULD SAY THE CAUSE WAS NOT STEROID USE. CAN YOU SAY DENIAL?
Mr. Las Vegas
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Corleone- I think you are 100% correct with your info.
Mr. Las Vegas said:
Thanks Vegas,
The media would blame steroids for half the nations problems if it could. The fact of the matter is they have to lie to justify their stance. The propoganda in this country is insane. Steroids are not the deadly, brain tumor causing drugs that the media makes them out to be.
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DaddyX
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MrTechno - what did u mean by your post. all i was stating was BB with probs or died. i wasnt saying it was cause of drugs cause death from steroids really can't be proven. SofaGeorge And Ray mentzer did not shoot himself in the head so that is how it is not suicide. And i agree with you also Corleone
marky
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DepressiveJuice said:
Cytadren is believed to have encouraged large hemorraging
in Munzers case. The Drs were saying he was pretty much dead even before they opened him up. If youve ever read one of Munzers cycles you would believe his lifestyle killed him and that was gear-massive amounts. Mr Ripped as they could call him was considered one of if not the most ripped and lowest bf in BB.
Everyone here may know what it takes to be that ripped-very unhealthy. Weird thing bout Momo is I heard he died after winning the show. So why was he still denying himself h2o?
Also the Mentzer bros were serious alch's.
Fukkenshredded
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Corleone--
You are correct about Alzado. Aids was the culprit. Several people close to him knew the truth. The interview with his doc was the only public mention that I am aware of.
You are correct about Alzado. Aids was the culprit. Several people close to him knew the truth. The interview with his doc was the only public mention that I am aware of.
liftsiron
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Daddy X all your doing is popping names of bodybuilders who have died, did you read the thread tittle? Momo died because he fucked up with lasix, Munzer used way to cytdren and it lead to his death from internal bleeding. Mike Mentzer had a bad heart probably from years of drug and alcohol abuse not to mention that he smoked three packs of cigs a day was fat and ate like a pig. Ray Mentzer died from kidney failure, I do believe that it runs in the family, because his sister has the same problem but has never used roids. Don long was born with only one working kidney, which was not in its self completely healthy, I wish him and Tom Prince the best. Heart Disease ran in Don Ross's family I believe that he out lived his father. And as far as Lyle goes I thought that everyone knew by now that he died of complications resulting from aids, karposis carcinonoma of the brain. Did I miss anyone, oh yes Jeep Swenson, he could hardly be called a body builder as he was more than a hundred fat pounds over weight. Good day.
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DaddyX
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well u don't have to reply to me like a dick bro, anyways i was naming people that have been associated with BB drugs and early death. of course none of these peoples death can be directly associated with drugs, i was just throwing out names to try and help him out and sorry some of us are not as up to date on lyle alzedo as you are on why he died, alot of people think it was from a brain tumor or brain cancr,whatever. congrats on knowing the depth of his cause of death. good day
BIG bad man
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He pushed him self to hard so he died. It was much like this poor young man. He just as well could have died. The lesson folks, dont push your self to hard use temperance.
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DaddyX
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no no,not ed corney. i know who these guys are. he just had a stroke that put him in a wheelchair a couple years back but now he is good. im talking about roger collard.
powerforward
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please don't post pics like that ever again. a t least give a warning.
Fukkenshredded
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There are more disturbing pics than that one involving weightlifting accidents, believe me. He picked one with shock value, but not over the top.
powerforward
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i don't need to see that while i'm eating lunch. people give a heads up if your going to show stuff like this. its just common courtesy.
Fukkenshredded
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I see your point. OK, folks the pic link above is a graphic picture of a serious injury. View at your own risk.
Now, I think the salient point is that the sport of bodybuilding, like most others, has its intrinsic dangers. Not only should the drug regimen be looked at closely, but attention must be paid to every element of lifting in order to avoid serious consequences, such as the one in the pic.
An injury like that is rare, to be certain, but they do happen. Otis 'Nightmare' Wilson fell dead in the parking lot after heavy squatting, if I recall. These things do happen.
Even a lot of members on this board have fallen out after a serious workout session. A simple bad strike to the head after passing out can be lethal.
So be careful with every aspect.
Peace.
Now, I think the salient point is that the sport of bodybuilding, like most others, has its intrinsic dangers. Not only should the drug regimen be looked at closely, but attention must be paid to every element of lifting in order to avoid serious consequences, such as the one in the pic.
An injury like that is rare, to be certain, but they do happen. Otis 'Nightmare' Wilson fell dead in the parking lot after heavy squatting, if I recall. These things do happen.
Even a lot of members on this board have fallen out after a serious workout session. A simple bad strike to the head after passing out can be lethal.
So be careful with every aspect.
Peace.
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DaddyX
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Dial_tone - really, it was a 2002 issue of flex and they had a little article. it was something heart related. i could be wrong tho. if u find anything else keep me posted. im interested now
flippwillson
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Did deep research on Lyle Alzado, contrary to popular belief it wasn't the steroids taha killed him. He had been taking shitloads of the human growth hormone Grorm. This h.g.h. was taken from the pituitary glands of cadavers making it biologically active. This in turn caused him to contract a desease called Crutsfeld Jacob desease which is fatal. The desease is so bad ass that if a patient is operated on has it,the instruments have to be thrown away....they can't be sterilized.
Fortuneately it is no longer produced and the synthetic h.g.h. is safe.
I'm not saying that the massive doses of juice didn't contribute though.
Fortuneately it is no longer produced and the synthetic h.g.h. is safe.
I'm not saying that the massive doses of juice didn't contribute though.
Lumberg
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Guys, guys.
I was hoping you people would be mature enough but the shit slinging has started so now I'm going to have to step in.
Lyle Alzado
Elly Dazola
Look familiar?
That's because Lyle Alzado was actually born a woman named Elly Dazola. She was a tomboy in grade school, a standout athlete in high school, and then she got to college.
At that point she had breasts and a fat tush. But she said "fuck it." She went full bore on the highly androgenic compounds, melted away all that unsightly fat, and joined the football team at Yankton College. Ever heard of it? Probably not. Their claim to fame is that "Lyle Alzado" went there. You think she could have pulled this stunt at Michigan State?
Her sex was a closely guarded secret between herself, the head coach, and the team doctor. Not even her position coach knew, mush less her teammates. She had a prosthesis fitted that passed for genitals for locker room purposes.
Well as her collegiate career progressed Elly and her coaches realized that she was the real deal. Her teammates and coaches and even the school administration were so supportive, and they seemed so excited, so she just went along--she was in too deep already anyway.
Well the draft came along and he played for the Broncos for a while. Yadda yadda yadda, even the people in his life stopped referring to him as Elly and started calling him Lyle.
His like spiralled out of control. One thing that the steroids did was jack up the libido. So Lyle seeked out men to please her. This was not an "alternative lifestyle." It was just a very horny woman trying to satisfy her needs. But you can see how the rumor started.
Long story short: what killed Lyle Alzado was uterine cancer. Not caused by steroids, or hgh, or recreational drugs. Just a regular medical condition that can kill any woman.
Lyle/Elly, may you rest in peace.
I was hoping you people would be mature enough but the shit slinging has started so now I'm going to have to step in.
Lyle Alzado
Elly Dazola
Look familiar?
That's because Lyle Alzado was actually born a woman named Elly Dazola. She was a tomboy in grade school, a standout athlete in high school, and then she got to college.
At that point she had breasts and a fat tush. But she said "fuck it." She went full bore on the highly androgenic compounds, melted away all that unsightly fat, and joined the football team at Yankton College. Ever heard of it? Probably not. Their claim to fame is that "Lyle Alzado" went there. You think she could have pulled this stunt at Michigan State?
Her sex was a closely guarded secret between herself, the head coach, and the team doctor. Not even her position coach knew, mush less her teammates. She had a prosthesis fitted that passed for genitals for locker room purposes.
Well as her collegiate career progressed Elly and her coaches realized that she was the real deal. Her teammates and coaches and even the school administration were so supportive, and they seemed so excited, so she just went along--she was in too deep already anyway.
Well the draft came along and he played for the Broncos for a while. Yadda yadda yadda, even the people in his life stopped referring to him as Elly and started calling him Lyle.
His like spiralled out of control. One thing that the steroids did was jack up the libido. So Lyle seeked out men to please her. This was not an "alternative lifestyle." It was just a very horny woman trying to satisfy her needs. But you can see how the rumor started.
Long story short: what killed Lyle Alzado was uterine cancer. Not caused by steroids, or hgh, or recreational drugs. Just a regular medical condition that can kill any woman.
Lyle/Elly, may you rest in peace.
BigBaseballStud21
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Arnold- give me 30 more reps come on ed lets get serious hahahahhaha ed-fuck you arnold
