basic cycle help

[reddy]

6' 185lbs 12%BF. Looking to put on 10-15lbs of solid keepable muscle. for my fourth cycle here's what i was thinking:

wks 1-3 40mg Dianabol per day
wks 4-10 40 mgs Anavar per day
wks 1-10 500mg Test Cypionate
wks 1-10 400mg EQ
wks 11-12 50mg winnytab per day
wks 1-10 .25 mgs armidex a day

weeks 13-14 clomid


am i going over board on the orals? would it better to stretch out the test and eq to 12 weeks?

 

[Lift or Die]

I would drop the winny. 2 weeks is worthless in my opinion. Everything else looks ok. If anything, I might save the anavar and use it to bridge after the cycle.

 

[reddy]

if i dropped the anavar then maybe i should run the winny longer and end there? or drop the winny and run the anavar till the end. You dont think i'd get anything else out of it?

 

[Realgains]

6' 185lbs 12%BF. Looking to put on 10-15lbs of solid keepable muscle. for my fourth cycle here's what i was thinking:

wks 1-3 40mg Dianabol per day
wks 4-10 40 mgs Anavar per day
wks 1-10 500mg Test Cypionate
wks 1-10 400mg EQ
wks 11-12 50mg winnytab per day
wks 1-10 .25 mgs armidex a day

weeks 13-14 clomid


am i going over board on the orals? would it better to stretch out the test and eq to 12 weeks?

First of all you are well below your natural maximum weight. Your natural max weight is likely at least 210 at 12%

Keep the cycle simple and moderate dosed . You don't need large doses of gear now and if you do large doses you are #1 pissing money down the toilet and #2 will get unneeded sides. Large dose WILL NOT speed up your gains.

Just stick to the test and EQ bro.
do a loading dose of 600- 800 each on day one and then inject 200 each every 4th day. You DO NOT need d-bol to kick start a cycle IF you do loading doses.
The var is a waste of money as it is too expensive for the returns it gives.
Doing the d-bol then var and then winny in your way will cause you to be on 17aa roids for 12 weeks!!!!!!!!! NUTS BRO. Your liver will not like it at all trust me on that one.

You could do the winstrol(orally) for three weeks after your last test/eq shot just to help harden the gains. If you do it orally take about 75 mg per day(drink the amps with water) If you do injections then 50 is enough. If you do winny orally start clomid the day after the last dose. If you do it IM then start clomid about 5 days after the last dose.

Three months is a long cycle bro so you better do HCG for two weeks mid cycle at 500 iu's per day and then again during the last two weeks of the cycle but before clomid. If you don't use the HCG then your nuts will be small and will be very slow to respond to LH and you will have a low test level for a long time, feel like shit and loose a lot of gains!

Try not to use estrogen inhibitors as they really mess with the lipid profile and its going to be bad enough already. If bloat gets out of hand then do at least one arimidex a day if you must use this drug at all.
Be damn sure to take 20 of nolva per day if not using an inhibitor!!!

Actually I recommend this cycle more so.......test cyp or enathate 600- 800 on day one and then 300 every 4 days and also tren 50 per day. Drop the test after week 8 and the tren after week 10 then hit the clomid. HCG during the last two weeks. Nolva0 per day.
Tren is far superior to winstrol in ALL RESPECTS and it is less toxic...not 17aa(don't listen to all the BS myths about tren) Winstrol will really fuck with your lipid profile, give you sore joints and increase liver enzymes big time......not only that it is a far weaker anabolic than tren.

Test/tren...the ULTIMATE STACK!

Good luck..keep it simple bro.

 

[Axe]

Excellent post Realgains!

Reddy there have been several threads in recent months about the benefits of simple cycles like tren/test that realgains mentioned and avoiding the use of "exotics" as doggcrapp puts it.

 

[reddy]

rg, check your email

your post is most helpful. cant thank you enough or give enough good karma...
I think i'll try the tren/test cycle

i have heard that tren can be very harsh on the liver. and that it shouldnt be used for more than 4-6 weeks. Myth? BS? There's so much opposing info out there, it's hard to make sense of it all sometimes.

 

[Realgains]

rg, check your email

your post is most helpful. cant thank you enough or give enough good karma...
I think i'll try the tren/test cycle

i have heard that tren can be very harsh on the liver. and that it shouldnt be used for more than 4-6 weeks. Myth? BS? There's so much opposing info out there, it's hard to make sense of it all sometimes.

I have follwed myself with blood work always and my liver values were pretty good on tren but terrible on any 17aa roid including anavar. You will find that all androgens mess with your lipid profile quite a bit with the 17aa being worse, especially winstrol and Halo.
My kidney function tests have always been good on tren.

So your main BAD side is going to be a shitty lipid profile with low hdl and high ldl.

Tren is a very strong androgen so expect some androgenic sides such as acne, oily skin, hairloss if you are prone to hair loss and perhaps benign prostatic hypertrophy.
Check out my post on how to make topical spironolactone which will really help prevent hair loss while on androgens.

I find test to be much harder on the old prostate and hair line though because much of it converts to the exceeding strong androgen DHT.

RG