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Bare-minimum diet: Is long life the payoff?

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Bare-minimum diet: Is long life the payoff?

Khurram Hashmi has drastically cut the calories he consumes — eating mostly salads and raw vegetables — in the hopes of living a longer, better life.

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At 5-11, Khurram Hashmi has adopted a bare-minimum diet that has reduced his weight from about 180 pounds to 129.


But he's hungry almost all the time. "That's something for me that has never gone away, but it is easier to accept now," says Hashmi, 37. He says he used to cheat, but not anymore. The hunger tells him that the diet's working, he says.

The diet is not for everyone: Hunger and low libido are facts of life for Hashmi and other followers. But they put up with what amounts to a near-starvation diet because a slew of studies has shown that mice and other lab animals that eat a very low-calorie diet live about 30% longer than they otherwise would. These studies also suggest that the diet protects the body from age-related diseases such as diabetes.

"It is the only nutritional regimen thought to retard aging," says Richard Weindruch at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. His studies have suggested that middle-aged mice can start the diet and still get the longevity benefit.

Heart markers

In an ongoing study of monkeys, Weindruch has found that the very low-calorie diet seems to shield these animals from type 2 diabetes, a common disease of old age. None of the monkeys on the diet, which are now about 70 in human terms, has developed diabetes. Monkeys fed the usual lab chow already are developing this life-threatening disease, he says.

But will the diet work for humans? Hashmi and the 1,800 other members of the Calorie Restriction Society, a non-profit group that advocates the diet, believe it will.

Hashmi, who runs his own Internet marketing business from his home in Gardena, Calif., consumes about 1,800 calories a day, far below the 2,400 consumed by the average American man. He weighs 129 pounds, which on his 5-foot-11 frame looks gaunt. He says the diet gives him enough energy for an active life that includes a 4-mile-run every other day and 50-mile bike rides once a week.

"I have lost some of the fat on my face," he says. "People think that it makes you look older."

But he's willing to put up with that because he believes the diet will slow his aging and make him look younger in the future.

More scientific evidence to support Hashmi's choice arrived in April 2004.

Luigi Fontana, a researcher at Washington University in St. Louis, and his colleagues reported results from a small study of people who had been following the diet for up to 15 years. All 18 people on the diet were members of the Calorie Restriction Society. They reported consuming 1,100 to 1,950 calories a day, depending on their height, weight and gender.

The team collected blood and measured biomarkers that put people at risk of cardiovascular disease. They found that the people on the diet, who were 35 to 82 years old, had greatly reduced their risk of clogged arteries, which can lead to heart attacks and stroke.

For example, when the team measured a type of fat in the blood that often signals high cardiovascular risk, they found that the people on the diet had levels that were lower than 95% of people in their 20s. The average blood pressure for people on the diet was 100/60 — about what is expected for an average 10-year-old, Fontana says.

It comes with a cost

The study, which appeared in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, still doesn't offer any proof that the diet will push the human life span past normal limits.

Skeptics say flat-out it won't work the way it does in mice.

John Phelan, an evolutionary biologist at UCLA, constructed a math model of the diet and found that people who drastically cut calories starting very early in life (and never cheated) might live four to five years longer. The diet won't push the maximum human life span much past 120, he says.

To Phelan, the diet's small benefit doesn't begin to make up for the downside. He says mice on the diet, which provides food at near-starvation levels, appear cranky. "If you take the lid off the cage, they immediately bite you," he says.

And in addition to constant hunger, followers say the diet can lower their libido. Hashmi, who is single, says that although his libido is low for someone his age, he expects to maintain an interest in sex throughout his life, into old age. He says he was cranky when he first started the diet five years ago. But Hashmi says his mood quickly stabilized after his body adjusted to fewer calories.

Phelan once considered following the diet himself but changed his mind when he plugged the numbers into his math model. "It's a starvation diet for decades with very little payoff," he says.

Following the diet also can be risky. People who cut calories but eat mostly junk or highly processed food run the risk of malnutrition, Fontana says.

People don't have to starve to get a benefit from the diet, says Brian Delaney, president of the Calorie Restriction Society. He says most Americans would gain by cutting out unnecessary calories: They'd lose weight and — if the studies on rodents are correct — they might age slightly more slowly.

That's what Hashmi is banking on. And that's why he now carefully follows his diet. He considers everything he eats — whole-grain muffins, vegetables and other foods loaded with nutrients.

To Hashmi, the effort is worth it. He is betting the diet will result in a longer life.

"If I can live to be 120 — that wouldn't be bad."
 
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I don't think ideas like this will thrive too much on this board. Here most people emphasize quality of life, not quantity.
 
Many people on calorie restriction have great quality of life. We hardly ever get sick, enjoy food more than ever and get all the benifits such as having quality of life aswell as quantity. It also gives us more chance to reach a time where life extension via other ways might be possible. Enabling people that start CR to enjoy life and exlpore the universe or whatever we do in the future.

The benifits are real and how do you guys feel about what you are doing, because obviously you have to eat a fair amount to get big gains in muscle...

all studies are pointing towards the more you eat the less you live.
 
whoa182 said:
Many people on calorie restriction have great quality of life. We hardly ever get sick, enjoy food more than ever and get all the benifits such as having quality of life aswell as quantity. It also gives us more chance to reach a time where life extension via other ways might be possible. Enabling people that start CR to enjoy life and exlpore the universe or whatever we do in the future.

The benifits are real and how do you guys feel about what you are doing, because obviously you have to eat a fair amount to get big gains in muscle...

all studies are pointing towards the more you eat the less you live.

I certainly wasn't argueing this point. I agree withit completely.

I guess it all depends on what you feel counts all quality though. I couldn't stand to be hungry all the time and have low libido. I don't follow this method of calorie restriction and I rarely get sick. Maybe once a year, and at that it is not even bad.

I would like to live to the age of 80-85, but anything beyond that just seems tedious.

I do not feel the need to see the age of 90 that badly. I think the experience of watching all my friends die before I do would be a pleasent one.
I want to live to the age that I know I have done my best in parenting a child and that I have left them with good prospects for their life.
 
psychedout said:
I don't think ideas like this will thrive too much on this board. Here most people emphasize quality of life, not quantity.

Bingo.

Who wants to live to 140 and be a whopping buck-twenty with no lead in the pencil?

I would easily take half that longevity and have a flame that burns hot and bright.

I do believe that there's solid science behind calorie-reduced lifestyles, but I'm surprised anyone follows it.

And, in case anyone missed it, this is Elite Fitness

....not saladeatingyogamasters.com ;)
 
psychedout said:
I do not feel the need to see the age of 90 that badly. I think the experience of watching all my friends die before I do would be a pleasent one.
Since I can remember, I've watched my grandfather watch his friends die. It's not a fun experience when all you can do is talk about people you once knew, instead of talking TO them.
psychedout said:
I want to live to the age that I know I have done my best in parenting a child and that I have left them with good prospects for their life.
I agree 100%

MikeMartial said:
I would easily take half that longevity and have a flame that burns hot and bright.
HELL YEAH!
 
I never am hungry all the time at all because I know what to eat. I don't feel deprived at all and I posted this because this section is "Life Extension, Longevity" and what you guys are doing aint exactly what the science says is the right thing for that.

Most people on CR haven't even caught a cold for 15 years and are much healthier than people decades younger so from certain biomarkers they are showing some very good results.

Like I said, I believe CR enables quality aswell as quantity. In the long term is will pay off because you could be around for other life extension methods that does not require all this CR... But either way you adjust to CR after a while and for some people its very easy and others it's very hard.

The only side effect I have is people saying I look skinny... Which I can live with!
 
But how does one on a CR diet engage in vigorous physical activity? Is heavy resistance training and/or cardio even possible?

The increased metabolism would put a huge demand on the body for a NEED of a higher caloric diet than the average person. I think I can safely assume there are no "average" person browsing this board.

Have there been any controlled studies with athletes and CR diets? I'd think you'd see a lot of run-down immune systems and injuries, but this is just my opinion. It would be interesting to see. And I'm not talking about daily yoga---I'm talking about athletes.

On a personal note, as a firefighter/paramedic, I see geriatric people daily from all walks of life; some that look 20 years younger than they are, some that don't. Some take care of themselves, and lots that don't.

The only thing I've seen that prolongs a persons quality of life (notice I said quality, not length) is:

1) Genetics. This is such a huge factor you can't even imagine, and

2) Physical activity. The "use it or lose it" cliche can't be understated.

3) Amount of prescription medication taken daily. Not actually a factor per se, but more of an observation; the geriatric patients in the best health seem to take very few, if any, prescription medications. Obviously closely associated with genetics and physical activity.
 
I am reading Dr. Weil's latest book "Healthy Aging". He spends quite a bit of time on the concept of prolonged life through healthy lifestyles.

The people of Okinawa have the most precisely documented aging records and seem to live the longest, and happiest, of all people.

Their diet is full and rich with proteins, carbs and fats. They are free of obesity and "Western" diseases. Their environment is clean and their family/support system is strong.

Their only competition for longevity seems to be one other isolated group of people in Sardinia who have the same clean environment with the "Mediterranean Diet".

I've read nothing so far about the bare minimum diet in this book, but I understand the concept and its supposed success with lab rats. I've also seen one person practicing it after a cancer scare and she is not a pretty picture ... skin and bones.

Good luck and good health whoa.
 
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