Avoiding Suppression

[MichaelSanchez]

Hi

I have been doing a lot of research into steroids and I have a question that I have not been able to find an answer for.

Could your natural testosterone production stay switched on if you used a supplement such as HCGenerate during a cycle of lightly suppressing chemicals such as primobolan and anavar?

Yes I know these substances are not exactly the greatest for mass building, but if you could use these and not have your natural testosterone production interrupted, then that would surely avoid the need for PCT if you never get shut down, right?

If this were possible, could you theoretically cycle on and off the primo and var for a whole year. ie 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off, with no suppression, no pct, and obviously some sort of liver health supplement (though, anavar and primo orally are regarded as pretty mildly liver toxic)

I would also just like to make sure people know that this is purely just a curiosity thing and I am not one of these newbies who is afraid of a needle and thinks he can just take a few pills and get big.

 

[kiai]

so far I understand these supplements only keep your testicles working while ur on cycle to avoid atrophy so you can recover fast when you cycle off.

 

[Judo Tom]

That would not work.

8weeks on will shut you down... 2 weeks on will not let you recover. you could look into a much shorter cycle like 2 weeks maybe 3 weeks but if you get blood work i bet you will notice that you are shut down or supressed to a great deal.

 

[melochai]

I personally like the Forma Stanzol

 

[stevesmi]

all AAS will suppress you. the hcg and hcgenerate help keep your nuts plump on cycle to make for a quicker and softer rebound. and yes they do help! letting ur nuts turn to raisins on cycle and then jumping into PCT with no kickstart is like paddling up a waterfall.

2nd tip is stay the heck away from deca. it is a bitch to recover from! trust me i know from personal experience.

3rd tip is keep your cycles conservative. short and dosages light. short being under 10 weeks..

 

[njmuscleguy]

2nd tip is stay the heck away from deca. It is a bitch to recover from! Trust me i know from personal experience.

3rd tip is keep your cycles conservative. Short and dosages light. Short being under 10 weeks..

^ ^ ^ agreed!

 

[MichaelSanchez]

all AAS will suppress you. the hcg and hcgenerate help keep your nuts plump on cycle to make for a quicker and softer rebound. and yes they do help! letting ur nuts turn to raisins on cycle and then jumping into PCT with no kickstart is like paddling up a waterfall.

Ok. Just to clarify though. You could start taking primo for example, as well as hcgenerate or hcg to keep yourself switched on, but you would still not generate testosterone at all for your body, and then go out without testosterone at all, which would then kill any systems requiring testosterone.

2nd tip is stay the heck away from deca. it is a bitch to recover from! trust me i know from personal experience.
3rd tip is keep your cycles conservative. short and dosages light. short being under 10 weeks..

I have pretty much convinced myself that avoiding deca and trenbolone will probably be the best way to avoid any of the more 'serious' of side effects and recovery.

 

[stevesmi]

Ok. Just to clarify though. You could start taking primo for example, as well as hcgenerate or hcg to keep yourself switched on, but you would still not generate testosterone at all for your body, and then go out without testosterone at all, which would then kill any systems requiring testosterone.

yes every AAS out there suppresses you, even primo. the only difference is how fast and how long they suppress.. with primo it takes till week 5 in my experience to get suppressed, and also recovery is swift.


I have pretty much convinced myself that avoiding deca and trenbolone will probably be the best way to avoid any of the more 'serious' of side effects and recovery.

both require a certain level of experience to understand what to do on cycle and what to do after cycle to get recovered. i would not recommend either to a newb. i ran a tren cycle recently and took every precaution possible and was able to recover fine after, but i also knew my body well and knew how to PCT and what to run when on... that comes with research and experience

in bold

 

[MichaelSanchez]

in bold

Alright cool.

If someone were interested in spending a good section of their year on gear and was interested in spending most of their year in a lean bulk (coming off gear mostly just to reset their effectiveness), also with the least side effects and small but consistent size/strength gains, how would they do this?

My original thinking was use substances with little suppression, along with hcgenerate to offset and keep natural testosterone production, with 2 weeks or so break from the substances to regain their effectiveness.

If this is not feasible then it would be a year long maintenance test dose with hcg weekly, along with the substances, after which will still be a long and hard recovery to your natural test levels(due to the length, not the compounds you used), which will in turn permanently damage your natural testosterone production which could bring you to terrible test levels in your mid thirties

 

[stevesmi]

cycling AAS means just that .. 'cycling'

you want to go on for 10 weeks.. then off long enough to recovery confirmed with blood tests. then back on... then back off... thats what cycling is all about.

time on= time off is a good rule to follow