Average Gains Kept After Cycle........

[WinnyPumps]

I know it depends on what type of cycle you did, pct, and diet, blah blah blah.
I just finished a Test/Var cycle of 10 weeks. For those of you that are not always on or on hrt what gains can I expect to keep? My diet will be the same and I am trying to keep as much intensity in the gym as I can. I gained about 18 pounds. What's realistic for me to keep until my next cycle in about 3 months??

 

[WinnyPumps]

By the way my pct is:
hcg 10-12 days @ 500iu after last Test shot
Nolva 20mg, adex .5mg eod, Sustain, toco-8, Unleashed for 4 weeks

 

[eClenbuterol]

You should be able to keep 80% of your gains.

 

[KeepinMyGains]

I loose about 60-70% during PCT depends if I am cutting or bulking.

 

[WinnyPumps]

I loose about 60-70% during PCT depends if I am cutting or bulking.

You lose about 60-70%?!!! That seems almost pointless unless you juice all the time which is what I'm guessing you do, lol.
What about you other bro's ??

 

[WinnyPumps]

That doesn't make me feel good coming from a guy called KeepinMyGains!

 

[Nelson Montana]

If everything is in order (keep using the Sustain and UNLEASHED) you should hold on to most of them for 3 months.

If you never cycled again, but continued to train and use supplements, I'd say about 30-40%, depending how far beyond your genetic capability you've already gone.

There are lots of factors and it'd be impossible to say for sure.

 

[WinnyPumps]

If everything is in order (keep using the Sustain and UNLEASHED) you should hold on to most of them for 3 months.

If you never cycled again, but continued to train and use supplements, I'd say about 30-40%, depending how far beyond your genetic capability you've already gone.

There are lots of factors and it'd be impossible to say for sure.

Yea that all makes sense. It was my first cycle in years. I went natty for about 5 years and stayed @ 200lbs, 12-14% bf for about 2 years. I doubt I was fully at my genetic limit but fairly close. Now I'm 215 and am trying to hold onto it.
My pct: hcg 500iu eod for 10-12 days. Then Nolva 20mg ed, adex .5 eod, Sustain, toco-8, Unleashed.
I know you don't care for Nolva but I had it and figured it couldn't hurt and might help a little. My diet has been the same and I am still training hard so we will see. Thanks!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Yea that all makes sense. It was my first cycle in years. I went natty for about 5 years and stayed @ 200lbs, 12-14% bf for about 2 years. I doubt I was fully at my genetic limit but fairly close. Now I'm 215 and am trying to hold onto it.
My pct: hcg 500iu eod for 10-12 days. Then Nolva 20mg ed, adex .5 eod, Sustain, toco-8, Unleashed.
I know you don't care for Nolva but I had it and figured it couldn't hurt and might help a little. My diet has been the same and I am still training hard so we will see. Thanks!

Never think something "can't hurt." It can.

 

[WinnyPumps]

Never think something "can't hurt." It can.

Can you explain?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Can you explain?

It's a drug. There's no such thing as ;'Oh, I'll take it what the hell." Nolva can raise estrogen, kill libido, lower IGF, raise LDL (adding to risk of heart attack) and stiffen joints. And it most likely serve no purpose if you aren't prone to gyno. It will not help in recovery.

Did someone say "it can't hurt?"

 

[gunslinger2]

It's a drug. There's no such thing as ;'Oh, I'll take it what the hell." Nolva can raise estrogen, kill libido, lower IGF, raise LDL (adding to risk of heart attack) and stiffen joints. And it most likely serve no purpose if you aren't prone to gyno. It will not help in recovery.

Did someone say "it can't hurt?"

So would you recommend that if someone does not know if they are gyno prone just stay away from nolva? I was planning a first cycle of Test E and dbol and was going to use nolva for PCT while taking 250 iu of HCG twice per week while on.